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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 11:34 AM
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Put the Blue Dogs down

Conservative Democrats are killing healthcare reform. They should be voted out of office before they hurt the party even more.

If you encounter any discussion among the punderati regarding the political dynamics of healthcare reform in Washington these days, it would be difficult not to acknowledge an important fact. The word "bipartisanship" may be tossed around, but in reality, when trying to get anything done, it is the dysfunction of our tri-party system that will be staring you right in the face – when not kicking you right in the gut.

There are actually three distinct entities in the US legislature. There are Republicans, who believe less is more – and that doing nothing is the highest form of patriotism. There are Democrats, who are still fighting to ensure that a robust public option is contained in the eventual healthcare legislation and have fought for everything from equal pay for women to legislation to combat global climate change.

And then there are Blue Dogs, a largely rural band of theoretical Democrats who only represent 3% of the US population at best and can be counted on to consistently attack, apologise and otherwise run away from their purported party label while seeking the best deal possible for their corporate benefactors.

In a way, this behavior is almost understandable, as in no real sense are Blue Dogs Democrats. They are largely southern, where the Republican party still has a 50% approval rating (contrast that with the northeast and midwest, where they sport 7% and 13% approval ratings, respectively, rendering them slightly less popular than scurvy). And they are personal vacuums for contributions from the most noxious, consumer-screwing industries that exist. They are not "moderates", as they are often called by the clueless commentators on cable television, but ultra-conservatives on social, foreign and economic policy.

Now, let me walk back a step from indicting the entire group. There are a few genuinely moderate and productive Blue Dog caucus members among their lot, such as Mike Arcuri of New York, Loretta Sanchez and Mike Thompson of California and Mike Michaud of Maine. On key votes, such as Barack Obama's economic stimulus plan, you can usually count on them to support progressive, good-government legislation. There are also a half-dozen (perhaps even a few more) additional adherents of the 52-member group, who are still relatively moderate and more often than not vote for the good for their constituents, party and country.

But most of the rest of these never-bite-the-hand-that-feeds-your-campaign-cash-stash Blue Dogs do nothing but embarrass progressives and moderates, kill the Democratic party's brand and continually wreck any chance for it to become a lasting majority party. For these reasons, good Democrats and all progressives should actively root – with their time and wallets – for the worst of them to lose in the 2010 midterm elections. Even if it's to rightwing Republicans.

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2009/oct/04/blue-dogs-healthcare-democrats-republicans
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MidwestRick Donating Member (604 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 11:41 AM
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1. Vote the blue dogs out...
...and lose control of the Congress. It's basically that simple. There are just too many districts where a liberal/prograssive platform will not win. The blue dog Democrats are the people who can win in historically Republican districts.

Blue Dogs may not agree on all areas but there are many that they do agree with and can help us to maintain control. With them, you can bet, nothing will ever get done in Congress, on any issue...imo.
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cmd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 11:47 AM
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2. I can't add anything to that
I live in a Republican district and am amazed that I have a Democratic congressman. He is attacked by the right on a daily basis. They
hate his very existence. I disagree with some of his votes, but for the most part, he votes with the Dems and will continue to get my support.
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 12:02 PM
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5. What good is "Control" when you can't pass decent legislation? Vote the Blue Cross Dogs out.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 01:58 PM
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10. Exactly. "We" don't have control of Congress. The corporations do.
Showing corporatist Dems that they will LOSE their office if they work against the people is a good long-term strategy.
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 03:00 PM
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13. pressure them now and run real Democrats against them in the next primary Get rid of the DLC stooges
Edited on Mon Oct-05-09 03:07 PM by Vincardog
For all those wanting to say "You are just as bad as the GOP.
Do you want to become a splinter party like they are?"
I say There is no room in a party that is working to promote Human rights for the pro-corporatist agenda. If you want to push a Corporate agenda join the GOP.
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dhpgetsit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 11:50 AM
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3. The real problem
The real problem is that we have the best Congress money can buy.
In order to restore government "For the People, By the People..." we have to get the damn corporations out of our political system.


  • Out of the election process by having publicly funded campaigns and banning corporate donations and campaign activities, 527s etc.
  • Out of the legislative process by banning all corporate funded lobbying.
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MidwestRick Donating Member (604 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 12:55 PM
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6. be careful what you ask for...
...if you want lobbying out of politics, you had better be willing to see unions, lawyers and other traditional Democratic lobbies out of the mix as well. As much as I agree that lobbying needs reform, the minute you get a certain group kicked out of the process there will be other unintended changes as well.
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kenfrequed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 02:58 PM
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12. Yup
Because advocacy groups and unions usually come to comgressmen to inform them about their constituency and their votes whereas corporate lobbyists come in to inform them about dollar signs and ad buys.

This isn't to say that Unions don't commit money but in terms of raw economic resources they are completely swamped.

But yeah votes and issues or money.

So yeah, those two things are exactly the same thing!

Try again
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 03:09 PM
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14. CAn't we just kick the Corporations out of OUR Government? They are not people.
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 01:41 PM
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7. Agreed. No one should have a leg up on the Congressional playing field.
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 11:57 AM
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4. They should be given the boot from the Democratic Party.
Run them off to join the Republicans where they can be moderate or even liberal Republicans. The Democratic Party does not need members who are not loyal to the common goals of the party, and will knife it in the back when given the chance and who do it over and over. There are no mystery Blue Dogs or any "oh my God I can't believe he is a Blue Dog!" Blue Dogs. Give them the boot first and then defeat them at the polls. There's the risk of having more Republicans, but it is worth it in the end.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 01:50 PM
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8. we need to invert the DLC formula in the South and rural areas:
The DLC formula is the pay lip service at least to Democratic cultural issues, but do the bidding of big business on economic issues.

Instead, we should require Democrats to toe the line on economics, but give them the freedom to be flexible on cultural issues (so long as they don't get rabid about them like Republicans).
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 01:57 PM
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9. Blue Cross Blue Shield Dems. nt
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seattle_blue Donating Member (299 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 02:43 PM
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11. A WISH
These people need to be voted out out NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW!!!!!!!!!!!
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 03:51 PM
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15. I'm sending this to Rham Emanuel
And he's going to threaten and curse you. Rham is a real bad ass and......
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