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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 10:02 AM
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Veering R-Wing: Sup. Ct. 5 all Reagan-based & think Corporations are Victims of Discrimination
Edited on Wed Feb-10-10 10:04 AM by Land Shark
Citizens United essentially freed corporations from a century of oppression, according to the Gang of Five on the Supreme Court. They appear to think we haven't even heard to corporate voice, because it's been muzzled for so long. Note the majority's attitude concerning whether corporate PACs founded by the corporation with corporate funds but whose donations primarily come from controlling corporate officers allow the corporate voice to enter the election debate:

"Section 441b is a ban on corporate speech notwithstanding the fact
that a PAC created by a corporation can still speak. See McConnell,
540 U. S., at 330–333 (opinion of KENNEDY, J.). A PAC is a separate
association from the corporation. So the PAC exemption from §441b’s
expenditure ban, §441b(b)(2), does not allow corporations to speak.
Even if a PAC could somehow allow a corporation to speak—and it does
not—
the option to form PACs does not alleviate the First Amendment
problems
with §441b. " Citizens United, slip op., p.22.


The LA Times has some additional observations about the right-wing hijacking of the Supreme Court by the familiar five, which even McCain's counsel recognizes as a breed apart -- even from Rehnquist -- on attitudes and rulings toward corporations:

Today's LA Times:

"All five justices who made up the majority in the Citizens United vs. Federal Election Commission decision were appointed by President Reagan or worked as lawyers in his administration. {...}
In the 1970s, Justices William H. Rehnquist and Byron R. White said business corporations were "creatures of the law," capable of amassing wealth but due none of the rights of voters.

By contrast, the court's current majority described a corporation as an "association of citizens" that deserves the same free-speech rights as an individual. Because speech and debate are good for democracy, they said, the public should welcome more corporate-funded campaign ads.

{...}
"This is a different brand of conservatism," said Trevor Potter, an election law expert who served as counsel to Arizona Republican Sen. John McCain's presidential campaign. {...} To the earlier generation of justices, corporations were both powerful and potentially dangerous if unchecked by government. But in the Jan. 21 opinion, Justice Anthony M. Kennedy portrayed corporations as victims of discrimination.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nation-and-world/la-na-corporations-court10-2010feb10,0,4918720.story


Corporations are allegedly "victims of discrimination" only because they couldn't dominate the airwaves in the "blackout period" 30 or 60 days prior to federal elections -- the precise issue of Citizens United.

All that blackout period did was prevent corporations from buying out the last word(s) in the last month or two of a campaign. The blackout period didn't muzzle their voice or censor their messages at all.

It's really wacky, offensive and wrong to claim that the corporations that run our government are somehow "victims of discrimination." But the reason this desperate claim is made is to claim for Citizens United the same justification for ignoring stare decisis as landmark cases reversing long histories of prior discriminatory treatment against human beings.
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 10:44 AM
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1. K&R
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 11:02 AM
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2. k&r
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OnyxCollie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 11:45 AM
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3. K&R. nt
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arthritisR_US Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 12:10 PM
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4. k&r n/t
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 12:31 PM
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5. Damn. You need more time on NPR.
Hell, we should get you on Maddow too.

This is just insane.
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PufPuf23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 12:44 PM
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6. Looks like Fascism. Sounds like 1984. Calls for massive
corporate trust busting, transparency, rules on foreign ownership,and individual shareholder rights (that I do not see happening anytime soon, alas).

If money equals free speech and right of access to share free speech is trumped by the discretion of corporate management, the concept of one citizen equals one vote is a mockery.

The "person" (except the ultra-rich) is effectively discriminated against in the political process as the small investor and small investor by proxy through institutional investors (pension funds, insurance pools, etc) has an unequal right to influence the political process though their own wealth.

Interesting that Potter regards this SCOTUS as a generational issue over distrust of government. The last 30 years has seen a systematic dismantling of government that provides for the general welfare and social safety net and a population systematically divided over wedge social issues while there has been a massive redistribution of wealth to the top as policies are enacted against the general will and welfare of the common person. Yet authoritarian institutions (such as MIC, Police-Prison, etc) have grown in power and strength at the cost of individual liberties. I find this much more a reason to distrust the government but then I am an older boomer that is gob smacked by what has occurred since Reagan.

More from LAT:


"This is a different brand of conservatism," said Trevor Potter, an election law expert who served as counsel to Arizona Republican Sen. John McCain's presidential campaign. "The justices are shaped by society. Those that came after the Great Depression saw government regulation of corporations as natural and necessary. This younger generation sees it very differently. They have a real distrust of government."

To the earlier generation of justices, corporations were both powerful and potentially dangerous if unchecked by government.

But in the Jan. 21 opinion, Justice Anthony M. Kennedy portrayed corporations as victims of discrimination.

"Premised on mistrust of governmental power, the 1st Amendment stands against attempts to disfavor certain subjects or viewpoints," Kennedy said. "Yet certain disfavored associations of citizens -- those that have taken the corporate form -- are penalized for engaging in political speech."
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pscot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 12:45 PM
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7. The Supremes are nuts
Nuts to the Supremes.
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 02:47 PM
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11. They're not nuts
They're counting the dollars going into Swiss bank accounts.
Shysters might be a better characterization.
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santamargarita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 08:00 PM
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20. No, they're fascist pigs
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 01:26 PM
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8. The mob knew that if you owned the judge you could do no wrong
The corporate mob knows that too.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 02:18 PM
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9. K&R
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bergie321 Donating Member (797 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 02:32 PM
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10. K&R
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 03:08 PM
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12. Absolutely.
And unfortunately we're going to have this brand of conservatives with us a long time. Recommended.
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theFrankFactor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 03:36 PM
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13. Great Work LS! K&R!
I have written a small piece on this egregious assault on Democracy here:
"The War on Terror" Making Terrorists Out of You - The Frank Factor http://bit.ly/bYyOkW
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 04:04 PM
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14. Those "justices" are a disgrace.
Thanks for the thread, Land Shark.
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naaman fletcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 04:28 PM
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15. Let's be clear, Citizens United was "an association of citizens" trying to be heard.
This is a terrible, terrible, ruling, but it is the result of a bad bill (McCain-Feingold) that tried to prohibit a few citizens from pooling resources to be heard.

This is an important lesson for the future i.e. don't over-reach or the blow-back may be extreme.

Of course, it seems as though this ruling is very fixable via legislation.
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 05:38 PM
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16. Doesn't he mean, Stockholders United versus the rest of the electorate?
L'Etat, c'est nous!

Why should not the rest of the citizenry in the person of the real Citizens United be given natural personhood under the law, to countervail against that of the newly-designated Stockholders United - thus nullifying this weirdly factitious, legal/natural personhood with which corporations have been invested?

I had not realised that genetic engineering and cloning had made such epoch-making advances. Will Monsanto never be satisfied? Surely, the claim of the real Citizens United to such status under the law is immeasurably more compelling than that of Stockholders United.

Were not conservatives supposed to be concerned about public morality, and rightly so. Yet, here we have one J Kennedy on the Bench of the Supreme Court legislating for the protection of what are universally acknowledged, even by their most zealous sponsors, such as Milton Friedman and Greenspan, to be entities by definition of complete ethical vacuity, corporate psychopaths, whose sole obligation is simply to generate ever-greater profits, 'devil take the hindmost'. Even patriotism, loyalty to country, is foreign to them; they have no country. And these corporations are to be endowed with a human personality; an act normally the prerogative of God, himself. Lucifer must be envious. Such extraordinary presumption! God is not mocked.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 05:55 PM
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17. It's even worse, many stockholders' best interests aren't even represented by these
inbred Soviet Style Boards; where conflict of interest; for the sake of pursuing their own personal power and wealth at the expense of the corporation is like breathing air.

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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 06:36 PM
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18. Yes, I thought that, as I wrote it.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 07:31 PM
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19. We need to repeal personhood from corporations.
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scentopine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-11-10 09:37 AM
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21. Thank you Land Shark! -nt
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lib_wit_it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-11-10 05:20 PM
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22. Don't worry. Palin will fix it all when she becomes our first Mrs. President...
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But Allison Hayward, a George Mason University law professor and critic of the campaign funding laws, said the court's decision stood up for the very old right of free speech in politics.

"This was a moment for them to say, 'Enough is enough,' " she said. "There's been a constitutional cloud over the expenditure bans for a very long time."
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Jonathan Turley also expressed a similar support for this travesty as a victory for pure free speech.

I'm not an effing expert on any of this, but how in the hell can the actual, biological, human being-type persons (aside from the modern robber barons) have any political voice at all now?

Well, WTF do we do now?

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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 10:30 PM
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23. I'm so glad you are on top of this issue.
the court's current majority described a corporation as an "association of citizens" that deserves the same free-speech rights as an individual. As apposed to a corporation with power and the ability to make gobs of money. Sounds like these judges are ethically bankrupt...
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