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stopschoolpaddling Donating Member (353 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 05:32 PM
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Actual letter sent to the superintendent of our school district.
Edited on Wed Feb-10-10 05:42 PM by stopschoolpaddling
A little history: On my first meeting with their principle after my 5 year old son told me that his teacher had a paddle and had brought it to "the carpet" to explain how it could be used on children who didn't behave. He begged me not to make him go back to school because he was scared of his teacher. The principal endorsed the teacher's actions and said and I quote, " if she doesn't get control of her classroom we won't get out test scores" and "I've already had to paddle one child from that class" (this was on the 7th day of the school year) and then finally, "I have better things to do with my time than to discuss this with you any further."
I then had a meeting with the superintendent who basically had nothing to say and confirmed that's how it's done in this area at which point I asked for my children to be released from his school district so I could enroll them in another. At first I was told I would have to wait until the school board met which was 3 weeks away but after some convincing it was granted immediately however, I received an email stating that if the board did not approve I would have to return my children to this school at that time. On the last day of school I asked to see the paddle that was shown to my child and tried to take a photo of it. The principal then told me I had betrayed her and would not allow it. At the same time I asked for them to provide me with their corporal punishment records. I never was allowed to photograph the paddle.

Mr. (Superintendent),
You have, no doubt, heard from Mrs.(Principal) by now regarding
my requests to be provided to me by your school district. Just so you
are absolutely clear about them, I am taking the time to request them
in writing.
First of all, I would like to view and photograph the very paddle
that was shown to my 5 year old son by his teacher at xxxx
Elementary.
I would have been satisfied to have a photo of the paddle I
viewed today because as Mrs.(principal) stated “it was exactly like the
other one”, but since Mrs.(principal) refused my photograph, I’m now
inclined to see the same one. Honestly, I have to tell you I was
shocked at her reaction to my photographic request, after all, during
my first conference with her she admitted that Mrs.(kindergarten teacher) came
into her office asking for a paddle and after explaining to her what she
intended to do with it, Mrs.(principal) whole
heartily gave it to her and fully endorsed those actions and she would
do so again. Indeed, during that same conference, Mrs.(principal)
clearly stated to me she had already used it to paddle a child in my
son’s kindergarten class. So if she has no problem showing it to a
group of kindergartens and using it on their bottoms, why on earth
would she be distressed over my photographing it. I suppose I missed
a photo opportunity, during the days when Mrs.(kindergarten teacher)left it on
her desk in full view of kindergartners as a reminder to behave. I
could have gotten a picture of my son standing next to it.
I have to tell you that I would have seen the right paddle but
would you believe it was still in the classroom three weeks after I
expressly requested to have it removed from the same room my son would
spend the day in. As a parent I don’t allow my children to even be in
the vicinity of a weapon. You should know that in this day and age if
you tried to board an airplane with a paddle in your hand they will
certainly inform you that they consider it a weapon as well and refuse
you. Mostly, however I was just completely mystified as to why it was
still in the kindergarten room when I thought I had come to the
agreement with Mrs. (kindergarten teacher) over a week ago, that it was no longer
to be kept there.
If you would be so kind as to inquire to Mrs.(principal), I’m was
more than a little confused today when she said I had betrayed her
because I didn’t tell her ahead of asking to see the paddle that I
intended to take a quick snapshot of it and of course, I didn’t when
she asked me not to. Honestly, as much as it is taken down and used
around there, I thought it would be about as big a deal as a snapshot
of a teacup, after all, when I came to even you with this issue of the
paddle you made it quite clear that you intended to do nothing about
it. Well, I certainly do apologize but as for betrayal, well that’s
going a bit far.
If anyone has the right to cry betrayal, I should think it would
be me. After my meeting just last week with Mrs. (kindergarten teacher)and Mrs.
(principal), I thought they understood my position on using fear and
intimidation by displaying the paddle and actually inflicting pain to
control the behavior of kindergarten children. I have to say that I
left that meeting quite hopeful that they would try to do better and
seek out some better alternatives only to learn a few days later that
yet another kindergarten child had been paddled and today I find out
the paddle is still in the classroom Now listen here, if she wants
to cry betrayal, I can talk about that all day..
First off, did I not entrust my children to your school only to
find they had been threatened with violence and subjected to
intimidation and fear? That is betrayal. Do you not claim that this
year, this school would teach compassion as it’s main theme? Now here
is the biggest betrayal of all, not just to me as a parent but to the
children. How can you claim to teach compassion when you won’t show
it? Let me remind you of the definition of the word compassion. It
is defined as “sympathetic consciousness of others’ distress together
with a desire to alleviate it”. If your idea of alleviating distress
is beating a 5 year old child with a long wooden object, then I have
news for you, you will never teach compassion to anyone and you should
not disguise yourself as someone who can.
Now then, I will need to see your every record of corporal
punishment performed on a child in all your elementary schools for the
2007/2008 and up to date this year. I will need the age and/or grade
level of the child and the date it happened. If there is a child who
was the recipient of more than one paddling, you will need to indicate
that to me as well, for example, child X, grade 1, on such and such
dates. If there was more than one paddling in a day to the same child
you will need to show it. Example, child X, date, 2 times. You
should have it to me by Monday morning September 28th at the latest.

You want to play hardball with 5 year olds? Fine, now you can play
hardball with me. Let’s see who’s got the bigger paddle.

xxxxxxxxxx


P.S. In reference to your email stating if the board did not approve
my transfer, my children would have to return to xxx Elementary, it
will never happen and you are barking up the wrong tree if you think
it will.

P.S. Please forward this email to Mrs. Principal so she can read the
part about betrayal and inform her to inform Mrs. xxx (2nd grade
teacher) that my daughter left a red yo-yo in the locker, up one and
over from her regular locker and I will need to have it back.
Lastly, you may mail my children’s book order to the address you
have on file at your own expense since you have caused me considerable
aggravation and time.

Please respond after reading this communication, so I will know you
received it.



--
“if you are lost, wandering through a forest in the dark, unable
to see, unaware that a cliff is nearby, and you stumble off the cliff
and break your neck. That is a mistake.
But let’s say it’s broad daylight. You are meandering about in a
forest you’ve been told never to enter. There are No Trespassing
signs everywhere, but you think you can slip in and slip out and not
get caught. Now, again let’s say you fall off a cliff and break your
neck... that was not a mistake. It was a conscious choice.” (Quoted
from “The Noticer” by Andy Andrews)
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FSogol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 05:34 PM
Response to Original message
1. You should probably learn the difference between principle and principal.
:shrug:
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Towlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 05:41 PM
Response to Reply #1
2. That principal has no principles!
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demodonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 05:41 PM
Response to Reply #1
3. indeed. nt
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 05:42 PM
Response to Reply #1
4. Sounds like that wasn't in the actual letter
(but for the OP: yeah, make sure in LTTE if you keep writing about the incident that you get that right.)

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stopschoolpaddling Donating Member (353 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 05:44 PM
Response to Reply #1
6. So true, just the other day
I wrote its when I should have written it's and someone almost shot me!
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 06:14 PM
Response to Reply #6
15. Heh, I saw that.
Edited on Wed Feb-10-10 06:15 PM by noamnety
Teacher's who belittle people and challenge their self-worth over typos aren't all that much better than those who paddle.





*Inappropriate possessive added on purpose. To anyone who was bothered by it to the point where you wanted to jump in and attack or discount the content of my message based on a typo - time to reflect on priorities (and I hope you don't treat your own students in that way). A correction is fine, but if you are emotionally wrapped up in it and changing your view of a person based on if they made a typo, that's a problem. That's not a comment on the first responder in the thread, btw, but on others who think a person's right to an opinion is invalidated by a typo. Sometimes I wonder if they are in the crowd that wants to require a writing test to allow people to vote, too.
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stopschoolpaddling Donating Member (353 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 06:18 PM
Response to Reply #15
16. Thank you
Exactly!
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Laura902 Donating Member (333 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 05:42 PM
Response to Original message
5. So sorry that
you have to go through that mess just to keep your own children away from harm. wow
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 05:46 PM
Response to Original message
7. I'd keep letters a little shorter in general
even if you could rightfully rant at length on an issue.

It's ridiculous that a teacher accused you of "betraying" her by wanting to document what's she's doing as a public employee in a public school.
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stopschoolpaddling Donating Member (353 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 05:51 PM
Response to Reply #7
9. It was the principle, whoops I mean principal who said I had
I had betrayed her. What a nut case!
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 06:47 PM
Response to Reply #7
20. Keeping it brief was my first reaction, as well. This went
well beyond a rant all the way to rambling. I've actually forgotten the point of the letter.
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stopschoolpaddling Donating Member (353 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-11-10 12:10 AM
Response to Reply #20
25. Yes, I'm working on that. My first draft was 8 pages long! Whew,
that was some good therapy anyway. Hearing my little guy tell me how scared he was, just brought out the beast in me.
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OregonBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 05:46 PM
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8. Wow, actually I'm pretty stunned that physical discipline is allowed at all in kindergarten. I'll be
interested to hear their response. Hitting and intimidating children is horrible. Even when a teacher has 30 or so to control, this is barbaric.
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stopschoolpaddling Donating Member (353 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 06:00 PM
Response to Reply #8
13. There was no response!
They totally ignored me and my request for information. I had to send them a certified letter to get their corporal punishment records and then when I got them, lo and behold, their own records showed that were even worse than I thought they were. This class had 20 students and the teacher had a full time aid.
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OregonBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 06:33 PM
Response to Reply #13
17. Have you contacted your local newspaper? A letter to the editor perhaps?
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stopschoolpaddling Donating Member (353 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-11-10 12:24 AM
Response to Reply #17
26. I had two letters to the editor published in the local newspaper.
The first one got two responses from the community printed in the following paper. They both accused me of not liking discipline and made the point that paddling was better than having children turn into criminals down the road. The fact of the matter is that no one wants to stop paddling children around here but me. It's a mute issue in this area.
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 05:52 PM
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10. "...we won't get out test scores" so it's just a question of priorities, really.
:banghead:
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murielm99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 05:55 PM
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11. If corporal punishment is allowed in your state, you will
not get far at the local level.

You will need to work at the state level to get it outlawed.
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 05:56 PM
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12. More power to ya.
Edited on Wed Feb-10-10 06:11 PM by Jamastiene
I hope you win this fight.

They paddled us all the way through school down here in Richmond County in NC.

First, my mother sent me to a private Christian school where I was beaten on a daily basis.

Then, she took me out after some other stuff happened and put me in public school.

They beat students there too, but I, personally, never got beaten, in public school.

Still, it was ridiculous for a teacher to take up part of class time every single day to beat students.

One of my 7th grade teachers, in particular, paddled students almost every day, mostly for talking when he left the classroom, which he did a lot.

One day, he said I was the quietest in the room when he left. So, he said he would give me one hit with the paddle for every student in the classroom if any other student talked when he left the room.

No one talked that day, but that was terrifying to think I would be beaten with about 30 licks with the paddle if anyone decided to talk.

I hope you win this battle. Kindergartners should not be beaten by their teachers or their principal. That is utterly ridiculous.
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stopschoolpaddling Donating Member (353 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 06:11 PM
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14. I am sorry that happened to you!
Thank you for sharing that. I wish I could start a class action lawsuit against states that still allow this to happen even if it could only bring less than a moments relief to the victims who have had to endure such brutality. Just makes me sick and we dare call ourselves a civilized nation. Talk about delusions!
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 06:37 PM
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18. If an adult were to make a paddle and walk up to another adult and hit them with it...
it would be considered assault and that adult would be charged with a crime.

I have wondered why no lawyer has ever brought up a case at the federal level to end the practice based on that fact. It is considered a crime and called assault if an adult hits another adult with a weapon. Why not kids?
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 07:19 PM
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21. Corporal punishment has been outlawed in our districts for
about fifteen years, now. Unless, otherwise "requested" by the parent, in which case, I still refused to do it. I've talked to many parents over the years who would prefer the teacher paddling rather than having to deal with a suspension and worry about child care.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 06:46 PM
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19. Where is this school disrict? Afghanistan? 1930'2 Ireland? Geez.
Pretty thirrdworld view they have, huhn?
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stopschoolpaddling Donating Member (353 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 09:15 PM
Response to Reply #19
23. Arkansas
North Central Arkansas, Town of Leslie, Searcy County, Marshall School District
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-11-10 10:05 AM
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29. is it still legal to beat kids with objects there?
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Zoigal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 07:44 PM
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22. Paddling a child in for misbehavior in school...how barbaric.
I taught for forty years in MO, AZ, CA, and OR and never once considered spanking a child.
Usually had classes that ranged from 30-40, too. IMO if children are treated with understanding, kindness and patience, and a few rules that are logical and easily enforced, there won't be much in the way of misbehavior. Good luck in getting the rules changed, stop school paddling. I recommend taking it to the media and the state. Sounds like you've covered the local scene.....z
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 09:21 PM
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24. I'm afraid that you are wasting your time with this.
Edited on Wed Feb-10-10 09:22 PM by MineralMan
Contact an attorney and conduct all communications with this school through the attorney. He or she will be able to put your story and demands into language that will be easily understood by the school officials.

Your letter, I'm afraid, rambles all over the place and doesn't really explain what it is you want this school official to do. Let an attorney handle the situation. Believe me, the superintendent and others will pay attention to a letter written in proper legal language. They will ignore your personal letter, and they will do it with impunity.
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stopschoolpaddling Donating Member (353 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-11-10 12:30 AM
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27. Yes, never mind, I'm done with this issue. It won't go anywhere
no matter who takes it up. The good news is the superintendents contract wasn't renewed this year. Whether or not my letters had anything to do with it, one more year and he's out. That's some kind of justice!
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-11-10 10:04 AM
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28. stop dealing with the district and call the police. That's what authoritarians understand
I don't know what state it's still legal to beat children with a paddle, but it I haven't heard of that happening anywhere for a long time.
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