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nightrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 04:44 PM
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Economic fascism: corporate-directed health care instead of physician-directed PO at cost
I suggest that the "self-loathing partisan sycophants" and the "cheerleaders" wherever they might be, and anyone else concerned about the privatization of this public good (health CARE services) take a look at this article and reply thoughtfully, rather than do name-calling.

http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-18425-LA-County-Nonpartisan-Examiner~y2010m3d13-Economic-fascism-corporatedirected-health-care-instead-of-physiciandirected-public-option-at-cost

(Hat tip to Sandwalker1984 for posting the link to this article elsewhere today)
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 04:47 PM
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1. hell yes it is fascism
a government should NEVER force Americans to buy a product or service from a private entity. That's fascism...
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 04:48 PM
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2. This is posted from Spokane!?!
Edited on Sun Mar-14-10 04:50 PM by upi402
via LA - the commie pinko soshlisss Hollywood viper den of baby eating satanists? But I digress;

"Three out of five Americans want universal health care, as do three out of five US physicians. If corporate media were to communicate the cost-benefit analyses accurately, those numbers would increase because these studies assert that Americans would save between $100 billion and $300 billion every year.

These savings would cover everyone in the US while saving each of the ~100 million US households $1,000 to $3,000 every year."

Boom!
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 05:00 PM
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3. An excellent article; well worth the read.
Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, nightrain.:thumbsup:
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 06:17 PM
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4. I read the article and what is even worse, I read the comments.
Many of the RW or "indie" commentators wrote as if they were replying to an article endorsing the current Bill.

They went on screaming about how terrible it is that Universal Health Care is PASSING in this bill...

What a huge disconnect this nation faces. And like several others have stated here this week, we can point a huge finger at the media.
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 11:37 PM
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5. it IS financial Abuse on a mass scale
Same shit abusers do to victims on a small scale by withholding money or help to CONTROL them.
The financial abusers fucking us over are a network of bullies,hiding behind corporations and banks and political parties.
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SandWalker1984 Donating Member (533 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 12:02 AM
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6. Glad you liked the article - I've got another for you about the Business Roundtable
There is a group of the financially elite that has applied major influence on Congress regarding the so called health care reform bill -- it is the Business Roundtable.

There's a must read article by David DeGraw about the Business Roundtable.

Here is part of what David said:

The Business Roundtable is the most powerful activist organization in the United States. Their leaders regularly lobby members of Congress behind closed doors and often meet privately with the President and his administration. Any legislation that affects Roundtable members has almost zero possibility of passing without their support.

For three major examples, look at healthcare and financial reform, along with the military budget. The healthcare reform bill devolved into what amounts to an insurance industry bailout and was drastically altered by Roundtable lobbyists representing interests like WellPoint, Aetna, Cigna, Pfizer, Eli Lilly and Johnson & Johnson. Obama and Congress are trying to please the Roundtable with a bill that supports their interests. This led to the dropping of the public-option put forth in the House bill. However, when it came to finishing the bill, Roundtable members began to walk away from the process. That’s the real reason why the reform bill has stalled. Obama met with the Roundtable on February 24th, in hopes of getting healthcare reform back on track. After that meeting, he held a bipartisan healthcare meeting with members of Congress.

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Shortly after Obama’s inauguration he held a meeting with Roundtable members at the St. Regis Hotel. The president of the Business Roundtable is John J. Castellani. Throughout the first nine months of Obama’s presidency, Castellani met with him at the White House more than any other person, with the exception of Chamber of Commerce CEO Tom Donohue. If you look at the records of people who have spent the most time with Obama in the White House, other than these two, another frequent visitor is Edward Yingling, the president of the American Bankers Association.

These organizations - the Business Roundtable, Chamber of Commerce and the American Bankers Association - along with the Federal Reserve, a secretive quasi-government private institution, form the center of the Economic Elite’s power structure.

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As I said, this is a must read article for anyone wanting to "follow the money."

http://www.alternet.org/economy/145996/the_most_powerful_destructive_corporate_business_club_most_americans_have_never_heard_of?page=entire


THE SENATE HCR BILL'S MAIN PURPOSES ARE TWO -- (1) TO GUARANTEE PROFITS FOR THE HEALTH CARE INDUSTRY AND (2) TO GIVE THEM EVEN MORE POWER AND INFLUENCE OVER FUTURE HEALTH CARE REFORM LEGISLATION.

Once insurance is mandated by law, they will use their influence to make sure health care reform is never taken up again in any meaningful way. Nothing can or will be done to contain their power until the entire health care system collapses.

Most of us understand the need for true health care reform. This Senate bill is NOT IT.

Don't say later that you weren't warned.
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nightrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 02:38 PM
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10. thank you again! I will save all three parts for later, looks excellent.
and sickening, but we need to know the real story of what's been going on behind the scenes.

Obama has been warned, we're not going to take this crap!!

We support you Dennis Kucinich for working on our behalf!!!
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 03:58 PM
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11. Thank you.

"THE SENATE HCR BILL'S MAIN PURPOSES ARE TWO -- (1) TO GUARANTEE PROFITS FOR THE HEALTH CARE INDUSTRY AND (2) TO GIVE THEM EVEN MORE POWER AND INFLUENCE OVER FUTURE HEALTH CARE REFORM LEGISLATION.

Once insurance is mandated by law, they will use their influence to make sure health care reform is never taken up again in any meaningful way. Nothing can or will be done to contain their power until the entire health care system collapses."

Exactly. The HCD (Health Care Deform) enshrines the parasitic insurance industry - the very entity that happens to be at the very core of the problem.

BTW, another little known "purpose" of the HCD is the shift from employer-based coverage to "individual responsibility" (i.e., making our already horrible health care system even worse). Great financial burden will be placed disproportionately on the working/middle class, who will see their currently employer-provided benefits weaken/erode/dropped altogether but who will be ineligible for subsidies. This shift to "individual responsibility" and further stratification based on income is not a bug, it's a FEATURE of the Senate/Obama's plan.

Add to that another "purpose" of the HCD - weakening of/de-funding a public/government-administered program (i.e., Medicare to the tune of $500 billion over a decade - just at the time when dozens of millions of boomers will start entering the system). What you get is: 1) direct funneling of public money and 2) fleecing the individuals and families via the odious "mandates" - the result is a massive upward transfer of wealth (Wall Street bailout style) to a parasitic and rapacious for-profit industry.

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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 12:23 AM
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7. Knowledge is power. Thanks for posting this. REC. nt
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puebloknot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 12:53 AM
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8. K&R Self-evident truth, for those with eyes to see. nt
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 03:24 AM
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9. A late night kick to keep this posted.
Someday we may have real healthcare reform in this nation.

Sadly that is not what we will see offered to us this week.
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 05:06 PM
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12. "Reactionary Republican Invention"
Brought to you by Barack Obama and the Democratic Party.

Says it all.
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aaronbav Donating Member (148 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 11:26 AM
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13. K (and previously R'd) - for all the delusional O supporters out there
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