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cal04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-11 10:18 PM
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Third Way's false start on "saving" Social Security
by Joan McCarter
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/1/22/937858/-Third-Ways-false-start-on-saving-Social-Security-

The mushy, corporatist middle at the Third Way has a new plan for "saving" Social Security, which reads pretty much as you would expect: deficit reduction on the back of Social Security forcing people to put their retirement savings in Wall Street's hands. Ah, but it's "saving" Social Security, so it has to be progressive, right? Seriously, does this sound progressive to you?

There are many on the progressive side who believe the Social Security shortfall should be solved through the elimination of the earnings cap on FICA collections. Currently, 6.2% of wages up to a cap of $106,800 are siphoned off from both the employer and employee to provide the bulk of the funding of the Social Security Trust Fund. This wage cap is indexed to overall wage gains.

We have deep concerns about complete repeal. While we support higher taxation on upper income individuals and accept that some of it must be used to bail out entitlements like Social Security, we believe the bulk of increased taxation would be best spent on growth-oriented investments in infrastructure, education, innovation, and the like.


No, much better that taxpayers' hard earned wages go to bailing out banks. Embracing means testing, raising the retirement age, and creating "Plus accounts for young workers to supplement retirement savings," (i.e., partial privatization) aren't progressive goals no matter how Third Way's principles argue otherwise.

You see, Third Way would have us shore up Social Security’s finances with a package that is two-thirds cuts and one-third revenue increases. They must have known this is just a wee bit unbalanced, especially for a capital “D” Democratic think tank like theirs, because they feel the need to justify it throughout the paper. They explain that we need to free up the revenue from Social Security for other purposes:

In a vacuum, we could in theory continue raising payroll taxes to keep up with the baby boom retirement. But those tax and spending decisions affect the entire U.S. economy and budget. Left unchecked, these trends will leave a small portion of our federal budget devoted to education, innovation, infrastructure and national defense, squeezing our badly needed public investments and jeopardizing our security. To avert this coming crisis, Social Security reform must be achieved principally through savings in benefits, not tax increases, as we seek to rebalance the long-term U.S. budget toward investments and economic growth.

Well, there you have it: the massive debt just ties our hands. Even though Social Security does not contribute a penny to the debt, and is forbidden by law from borrowing from the general budget, we need the money that currently goes toward it to pay down the deficit--supposedly so we can increase or maintain spending on other programs. There is apparently some magic line above which taxes cannot rise, and honoring our commitment to American workers no longer fits within that line.

How very Republican of them. Not every idea they put forward is conservative, they moderately suggest a raise in the payroll tax cap and an increase in the levels of "economic" immigration (not, apparently, comprehensive immigration reform), but that doesn't make them or this plan the progressive one they pretend at, particularly when at the same time they lie about real progressives' approach to strengthening the program.

This is just GOP-lite, turning Social Security into a welfare program for the very old and very poor and privatization for the rest, because we know how well stock and real estate investments worked out.
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-11 10:30 PM
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1. K&R
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PoiBoy Donating Member (842 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-11 11:09 PM
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2. Payback...
I would submit that the only way to "stabilize and secure" the Social Security Trust Fund would be by starting to PAY BACK the almost 2 TRILLION dollars (as of 2005) that they have leached from the SSTF...

Thom Hartmann laid it out quite clearly several years ago...
http://blog.buzzflash.com/hartmann/10015

Again... the U.S. Government owes the stockholders of the SSTF (we the people) over 2 trillion dollars past due for 30 years...

they should no longer have any credit with us (lock the box..!!) and they certainly have no credibility with coming up with an honest solution to the problem of ignoring those famous I.O.U.'s for the past 30 years...

Disgusting..!!!
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iamtechus Donating Member (868 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-11 11:43 PM
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3. Please stop spreading lies!
Myth #4: The Social Security Trust Fund has been raided and is full of IOUs

Reality: Not even close to true. The Social Security Trust Fund isn’t full of IOUs, it’s full of U.S. Treasury Bonds. And those bonds are backed by the full faith and credit of the United States. The reason Social Security holds only treasury bonds is the same reason many Americans do: The federal government has never missed a single interest payment on its debts. President Bush wanted to put Social Security funds in the stock market—which would have been disastrous—but luckily, he failed. So the trillions of dollars in the Social Security Trust Fund, which are separate from the regular budget, are as safe as can be.

http://delmontpda.wordpress.com/2010/08/15/top-5-social-security-myths-debunked/

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customerserviceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-11 12:20 AM
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5. For starters, those aren't ordinary, everyday Treasury bonds
They're not tradeable on the security markets.

If they are ever redeemed, will it be from tax increases, budget cuts, or further borrowing? That's the only way the "full faith and credit of the United States" will ever pay them off.

Will the Chinese toss some money our way to redeem these special Treasury securities so that the baby boomer retirement can be funded? I have my doubts.
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SlipperySlope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-11 01:49 AM
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7. Which makes the solution trivial.
You're right, they aren't tradeable on the open market.

Which makes the solution to the entire problem trivial; make them tradeable.

Just declare that the trust fund can manage assets however it sees fit, including selling those bonds for cash or other securities. Boom; instantly the solvency of the trust fund is guaranteed. I can promise you that if the price of the SSA bonds fell below that price of equivalent "marketable" treasury bonds, the big banks would step right in to arbitrage that opportunity. And as soon as those bonds are held by a handful of big banks, all this talk about default will go right out the window.
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customerserviceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-11 01:03 PM
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9. On the surface, that sounds reasonable
But in practice, their status as non-negotiable securities is what keeps interest rates down. If we were to sell enough securities to replace the Social Security IOU's, we would flood the bond market, and interest rates would hit double digits overnight. That would be a major problem for the rest of the borrowing we have to do.

One way or another, there is going to be an ugly solution to this problem, it's just a matter of whose ox is gored.
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PoiBoy Donating Member (842 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-11 12:44 AM
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6. Thanks for the link...
... and the head's up...!
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-11 11:53 PM
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4. Considering that the top 20% has seen their income rise by 80%...
while that of the lower 80% has stagnated, it only seems fair they help fund SS without benefit of the cap.
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Citizen Worker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-11 03:39 AM
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8. Third Way and No Labels are spin offs from the Democratic Leadership Council. This is the way in
institutional leverage is created and expanded. The Progressive movement needs to do the same thing if it hopes to ever gain traction beyond where it is today.
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