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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 08:45 AM
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Pepper Spray Is Just the Beginning: Here Are More Hypermilitarized Weapons Your Local PD Could Use


AlterNet / By Rania Khalek

Pepper-Spraying Protesters Is Just the Beginning: Here Are More Hypermilitarized Weapons Your Local Police Force Could Employ
By arming local police departments with military grade equipment, domestic policing has come to resemble a combat operation with citizens as the enemy.

November 22, 2011 |


On Friday, November 18, a group of UC Davis students staged a sit-in to protect their Occupy encampment from destruction by a horde of riot police. Seated on the ground, the students defensively ducked as Lt. John Pike approached them. They were right to do so: Pike aimed a riot-extinguisher at them, showering the crowd of unarmed students with pepper spray as calmly as if he were watering his garden. A group of officers then proceeded to break up the crowd with batons and arrest them. The video of the incident has since gone viral.

The counterinsurgency-like tactics used to subdue unarmed, peaceful demonstrators at Occupy encampments around the country have left people shocked and appalled at the grotesque treatment of protesters as if they were violent enemy combatants. This dynamic was captured best by a photo published in the News Observer showing machine-gun toting police officers dressed in combat attire, pointing their weapons at unarmed Occupy Chapel Hill demonstrators.

The barrier between military and civilian law enforcement was drawn long ago for good reason. Traditionally, the role of the civilian police force is to maintain the peace and safety of the community while upholding the Constitution. In stark contrast, the military soldier is an agent of war, trained to kill the enemy. But that barrier has been broken down by decades of the relentless war on drugs, and more recently the war on terror. Today civilian law enforcement agencies have access to military-grade equipment designed for heavy combat, essentially blurring the line between soldier and police officer.

When local police departments are armed with military grade equipment, the soldier's mentality is not far behind. Domestic policing has come to resemble a string of combat operations in a scene that repeats itself every time an Occupy encampment is raided, which raises the question: exactly what type of policing equipment is in the arsenal of law enforcement agencies in America? ..............(more)

The complete piece is at: http://www.alternet.org/story/153147/pepper-spraying_protesters_is_just_the_beginning%3A_here_are_more_hypermilitarized_weapons_your_local_police_force_could_employ/



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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 09:14 AM
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1. Unless we can get control of our country back, we
are headed for another civil war.

When peaceful, non-resisting demonstrators are treated as if they are destructive rioters time after time, something has to give. The push-back, when it happens, will spread the same as Occupy Wall Street has and it will be bloody. That is something we do not want.
If our oppressors are smart, but I'm afraid they are not really, Lieutenant Pike will be made an example of. Don't hold you breath.

And on a related note, Barrack Obama needs to be Primaried. He is shifting ever more to the Right. Once again his campaign rhetoric is to the Left of his actions. GW Bu$h did the same thing when running for governor and later for president and look what that got us.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 04:28 PM
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9. I am wondering if there will be pushback though
throughout recent history we usually just cave in when the going gets tough. Witness the lack of retribution against hate radio despite the many deaths they have promoted over the last 20 years. What I can't figure out is WHY the PTB have waged violence against the protestors. In fact the protests haven't caused any discernible change in the behavior of the banksters, hedge fund managers, politicians, vote-cagers, Cock Brothers and their courtesans, or anyone else in the 1%. The corruption, murder, grand theft, and other high crimes roll merrily on. And our "Dem" president has responded, like he does to every crisis, by waffling, parsing, and lurching to the right.

The thing is a big puzzle right now. I don't think it will end peacefully, but do have some optimism that the 10 million or so of them will be thoroughly obliterated by the 300 million or so of us.
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-11 10:11 PM
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18. "I don't think it will end peacefully"...
nor do I- the people will only take so much.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-11 03:13 PM
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21. Elites have been working on taking over government for a few hundred years .....
Edited on Sat Nov-26-11 03:15 PM by defendandprotect
We're a little late to the game -- !!!

Capitalism was the primary tool -- and violence, of course!


We've had a half century of RW political violence and assassinations of liberals --

and stolen elections --

Takes a lot of money to buy all of that and keep it covered up!

And lots of willing and corrupt politicians!!




Patriarchy -- and its underpinning =

Organized Patriarchal Religion -- and its economic system =

Capitalism =

The Unholy Trinity



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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 09:30 AM
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2. recommend
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Dawson Leery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 11:42 AM
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3. Police budgets need to be cut more. Deny them the ability to buy
these military weapons.
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saras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 12:44 PM
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6. It's hard. Cut the local budget and they turn to DHS and the Feds, and get free military gear
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Dawson Leery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 11:50 AM
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4. Civilian Law Enforcement – Military Cooperation Committee (CLEMCC)
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Lifelong Protester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 12:26 PM
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5. K & R, and if I may add a quote:
Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.

John F. Kennedy (1917-1963)
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HillWilliam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 01:21 PM
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7. Even Jesus' General chimed in
I started reading last night and continued this morning. The comments are growing by leaps and bounds.

Hadda forward a link to my buds.

Whooda thunk? Two-million-scoville pepper spray -- it's what's for supper!
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blkmusclmachine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 02:41 PM
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8. Thanks, "Patriot" Act.
You didn't think that they wouldn't use all those new fngled post-9/11 laws they wrote for themselves, right??
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 05:09 PM
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10. "Domestic policing has come to resemble a string of combat operations"
This actually goes back as far as the late 70's, in my memory, with the development and mission creep of SWAT teams.
For sure has gotten way out of hand since the 1980's.
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 05:23 PM
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11. Thank you Marmar!!!
THIS bit, from the article, clearly explains WHY and how we are indeed seeing so very little difference between military and police,
and how they did an end run around Posse Comitatus Act.

"Although the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 prohibits the government from using the military for domestic law enforcement,
the tough stance of the drug war led to the Military Cooperation with Law Enforcement Act of 1981.
The act directed the military to give local, state and federal law enforcement access to military equipment, research and training for use in the drug war, basically authorizing cooperation between civilian police and the military.

The 1980s saw a series of additional congressional and presidential maneuvers that blurred the line between soldier and police officer,
leading to a memorandum of understanding in 1994 between the US Department of Justice and Department of Defense.
The agreement authorized the transfer of federal military technology to local police forces, essentially flooding civilian law enforcement with surplus military gear previously reserved for use during wartime."

and thus you get this chilling billboard:


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russspeakeasy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-24-11 09:10 AM
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13. "chilling" is correct. Is this an actual billboard ?
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-11 10:14 PM
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19. I suspect it is...
policemen are heroes, don't you know :sarcasm:
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 10:13 PM
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12. ^
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stockholmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-24-11 07:28 PM
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14. the march of Old Bill continues......
1. Your civil rights on a multivariate number of matrices have been systematically eroded and stripped from you since 9-11.

2. The police state is not ab origine designed to protect the USA citizens from terrorists, it uses the perceived 'terrorist' threat that it (by its very actions and nature) self-generates to protect the systemic controllers FROM the citizens.


Fear inducement/police state in action:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riboisae0JY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wk-BX4rqK8U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etv8YEqaWgA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riboisae0JY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R17RMd7_ob4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WC0h1cGy0Bc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSQTz1bccL4



And, if you or anyone doesn't like it in the US, they have plenty of these little toys scattered about to ensure your compliance.

Willowbrook, Illinois, USA




"If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face -—- forever."

- George Orwell
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eowyn_of_rohan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-11 11:43 PM
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22. hurts so much to see these videos
Never thought this could happen here
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X_Digger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-24-11 11:53 PM
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15. Umm.. "Today civilian law enforcement agencies have access to military-grade..".. they always have.
They always have.

http://www.encore-editions.com/police-machine-gun

And lest you think that's not the US, check the poster in the background- liberty bonds (the poster is 1918).

http://www.miscman.com/posters_graphics/details.asp?ID=2178&CatID=10&PID=1

http://www.auto-ordnance.com/PL-Police.asp
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-11 12:34 AM
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16. Compliance must be maintained at any cost. KICK. Too late to rec. nt
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Cherchez la Femme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-11 03:13 PM
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17. LRAD's
Edited on Fri Nov-25-11 03:18 PM by Cherchez la Femme
The LRAD (Long Range Acoustic Device) was first developed as a weapon
--with "Step 4: Profit!!!" as the last bullet: mind you the primary bullet: KILL!--
With enough sound generated it would instantly incapacitate "the evil doer's" with the immediate result of cerebrospinal fluid leaking from the 'victims' ears.
Of course death quickly followed. Qid Pro Quo!

What can I say? 'Americans' love violence especially directed against orifices -- seemingly any orifice will do nowadays, dad gum it!

This marvel of engineering and beauty was then developed as a 'crowd control weapon' for use as "a distance hailing device and non-lethal (emphasis mine) crowd control weapon developed by LRAD Corporation to send messages, warnings, and harmful, pain inducing tones (doesn't that sound better?) over longer distances than normal loudspeakers."
and of course this can't be said enough: for Profit!
-- where are our morals, where are our Patriotic Priorities, Where Is The Good Old Murican Way; people?! (Naw, that last isn't in Wiki. Big surprise).
Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Range_Acoustic_Device




***Note the ballast of the information here is if not totally, then mostly from Wikipedia. As much as I detest using that site, the information I had read on LRAD's (especially being weapons grade) have disappeared over the years mainly through moving, friends 'borrowing', general attrition of literature/books (Sob!) and crashage of old computers.
The information below will concern excerpts such as "Crowd Control", primarily if not totally against U.S. citizens***



From Wikipedia, subheading "Against protesters" -clipped for usage against U.S. citizens by their government and an instance or two used against U.S. citizens who were sold weapons for use in slaughtering whales, of course what is more important than Step 4: Profit!!!
And if you don't think any were sold to other countries, any old country at all:
'friends', 'enemy du jour','other' as lethal, long range weapons -- have another think
and, as usual, don't forget the Free Market Profit Motive!

If you wish to peruse the entire article or Google the subject matter or even better: Buy some books! please do so! I don't think there could be a better display of Man's 'inhumanity' to homo sapiens and indeed all other creatures on this planet and any others who may have the terrible misfortune to run into us, somewhere, under the sea, or even 'out there' (my feeling this is why the beings in the UFO's do not with to interact with us in any way -- PLEASE don't throw this in the dungeon, moderators!)

In any event in this article there are unfortunately many more examples right on this page, indeed on this planet:
"Most recently, the sound canon was used to evict Occupy Wall Street protesters from Liberty Plaza in the early morning (approximately 1am) of November 15th, 2011.

The LRAD device was on hand at protests of the 2004 Republican National Convention in New York City<6> but not used; it was extensively used against opposition protesters in Tbilisi, Georgia, in November 2007.<7>

The magazine Foreign Policy has revealed that LRADs have been sold to the government of the People's Republic of China. American companies have been banned from selling arms to China since the Tiananmen Square protests of 1989.

...

The LRAD was used for the first time in the United States in Pittsburgh during the time of the G20 summit on September 24–25th, 2009.<9><10> Pittsburgh police again utilized LRAD as a precautionary measure to prevent unruly crowds from getting out of control following the 2011 Super Bowl. LRAD systems were also purchased by Toronto Police for the 2010 G20 summit.

...

LRAD was also used against college students in the city of Macomb, Illinois at the Wheeler Block Party at Western Illinois University ("WIU")<11> on May 1, 2011.<1>

LRAD was reportedly<12> used by the Oakland Police Department during the clearance of the Occupy Oakland encampment on the morning of 25 October 2011.

LRAD use was reported as the New York City Police department cleared protestors during the Occupy Wall Street protests in Zuccotti Park on the morning of 15 November 2011.<2>



LRAD's were used twice at sea for protecting ships, once in the Indian Ocean and once against Somalian pirates.


From Wikipedia again subheading "Whaling":
"In February 2009, the Japanese whaling fleet operating in Antarctic waters near Australia installed LRADs on their vessels. The device was used against activists of the Sea Shepherd Conservation Society after they harassed the factory ship.<18> The Japanese fleet later escalated the use of LRAD, deploying it against a Sea Shepherd helicopter carrying a camera crew.<19><20> Sea Shepherd noted that they had an LRAD of their own, but as of early 2010, had not put it into use<21> other than to play a recording of "Ride of the Valkyries" in the manner of attacking U.S. Army helicopters depicted in the 1979 film Apocalypse Now."<22>



Free Speech?
Right to gather and protest/redress our government?
Trust our "Peace Officers"?
Trust out government, en toto? (I hope that one sentence alone doesn't send this post to the dungeon.)



Seriously now, how's about dem apples?



Nota Bene: You may want to check out "Sonic Weapons" as well:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonic_weapon
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-11 03:11 PM
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20. Don't recall "Right to Free Assembly" has a PS ... except where RW violence overcomes it -- !!??
The barrier between military and civilian law enforcement was drawn long ago for good reason. Traditionally, the role of the civilian police force is to maintain the peace and safety of the community while upholding the Constitution.
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