Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha! The er..doo doo is about to hit the fan in Iraq!

[trumad]

Reposted from my first thread because I used a word other than Doo Doo...

Oh and one thing... Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha is clearly meant for the the Neo's who think they're so damn smart. Maybe next time we as a country will use Iraq as an example of exactly why a preemptive unilateral war against a middle east country will not work.

Now to my rant!

Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha .... The simpleton PNAC'ers, AEI'ers etc... thought they were so smart.... They thought it would be so easy!!!!!

How come...HOW COME!!!! A little old peon like me sitting here in Central Florida knew that when the rumblings of war were pinging from the Neo's in the Bush Administration that this would go exactly the way it's been going?.... Here comes those dang Shiites and the good old Grand Ayatollahs... Waaaa...did little old Paul Bremer in his sweet little Armani suits think that he'd bring the numerous factions together in Iraq to live in harmony... Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha !

I knew this would happen...We at DU knew this would happen.... We have documented evidence on DU that this would happen. Iraq is about to explode into an uncontrollable mess in the next couple of days...

The games up boys... either give into the American Hating Ayatollahs, or shut them out and risk massive retaliation.

They got Check on us and are about to call Checkmate!

Your move Bunnypants....

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

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[Cooley Hurd]

3. I'm not sure it'll blow in a couple of days, but it is getting ripe there.

Haven't the powers-to-be there been given a deadline of July by Grand Ayatollah Ali Sistani? Won't they drag out an answer to him at least for a few months? (to stall while they come up with an actual plan for transition)

No doubt, though - Shrub's in a serious pickle!

[trumad]

4. He's in a pickle that we knew he'd be in

I certainly do not condone Saddams ditatorship, but... imagine if he let his hand slip...He would have been overthrown in a second. That why we supported the clown because we knew he was the lesser of two evils... Now look what were getting...

[Cooley Hurd]

6. And Biden was on the Daily Show saying...

...that both he and Dick Lugar tried to warn Shrub about the perils of ruling a Post-Saddam Iraq. WTF??? Then why did you vote for the IWR in the first place, ya' fucking NIMROD?

Now that our Iraq policy has officially failed, we're going to see Dems and Repugs alike coming out with explanations similar to Biden's...

[RainDog]

15. Biden and Lugar were trying to change the terms of

the "Bush Doctrine" before the vote on the resolution.

Their work was undercut by a revolting photo-op moment with dems like Evan Bayh undercutting supposedly more conservative Lugar to go ahead and give Bush everything he wanted.

So Biden earned the right to say that.

[Cooley Hurd]

18. So, why did he vote in favor of the IWR if he and Lugar failed?

He might have a right to say he tried to get Shrub to rethink things, but upon failing to do so, he still voted for the friggin' thing...

If I failed in my mission to get the president to behave more moderately on such a serious issue (like waging war), I sure wouldn't vote to give him even MORE power!

[Eloriel]

19. Well, you would've if you were contemplating running for Prez

Probably. A lot of other people did.

:evilgrin:

[LoZoccolo]

5. This is a complex situation which can conjure different emotions...

...and I understand that, and I also want to see the arrogance of the neocons humbled, but I don't think we should be laughing about how bad it is (even indirectly), or as I've kind of seen, people hoping it gets worse so that Bush* loses the election. Remember there are lives being lost on both sides, and we're stuck in a bad situation.

[trumad]

8. And if goes swimmingly over in Iraq

then guess what...It gives the Neo's ammuniton to do it in Syria, Iran etc.....I'm not avocating that it go bad and we lose American Lives. As a matter of fact I'm not advocating anything except bringing our troops home and let the Iraqies figure this mess out without our heavy hand.

[LoZoccolo]

11. If it goes swimmingly over in Iraq...

...then it would go swimmingly in Syria and Iran and we'd have no reason to object to it. While it's not going swimmingly, we should criticize this insane foreign policy, but gloating doesn't do anything but make it look like we are so far removed anyways as to not have respect for the lives being lost.

I don't think a position that advocates letting them "figure this mess out" is responsible or respective of human life as well. While I agree think the tactics employed there are heavy-handed, and we're unaccountable in the way we're governing there, we should at least take responsibility for the disorder we've created. Pulling out might seem like a way to "neutralize" our involvement there, but it's actually not - we've left them with less than they had before at this point. Fighting between rival factions of Iraqis, as well as the possibility of retribution by Baath party loyalists (part of the reason we see those mass graves) is not something that can be overlooked in a cavalier fashion in support of a simple notion of self-determination or because there are big problems with the other alternative to begin with.

[trumad]

12. OK LoZoccolo..if you say so

but when the shit hits the fan and the masses rise up and start killing our soldiers by the hundreds then what do you say... stick it out and retaliate by killing more Iraqies... There's nothing cavalier about any of this.... We better get out and get out quick!

[LoZoccolo]

14. I have no idea.

That's why this is a mess, and we need to fix it before it gets to that point. I could say it would be best that we not have gone there this way to begin with, but clicking my heels three times and pretending we never did isn't going to replace what we've already taken away from the Iraqis and make it all better.

It's kind of like not knowing how to get rid of a hangnail, but knowing that you shouldn't think of putting your whole hand into the garbage disposal as your only option.

[KoKo]

22. But, LoZoccolo, you maybe aren't aware of how many of us DU'ers

fought in every way we could to STOP THIS KILLING OF OUR TROOPs for NO REASON!

Some of us don't see "two sides" to this issue. We knew this was "Killing Fields" for our troops. We didn't want them in there. We did everything to stop it.....there's no discussion with me on this issue. I can't even deal with the over 2500 maimed in this war with arms, legs,
eyes and brains missing or dead from what they experienced.

No....there's no "two ways of looking at this." We did our research here and concluded the WMD info was a pile of CRAP! It still is a pile of it...and nothing will ever make these folks who fought for a false "Invasion/Occupation" whole again or ease what they suffered.

And, what about the estimated 10,000 Iraqi's who weren't "terrorists or BinLaden supporters who dies as innocents in this Invasion and Occupation? What about their great dream of "Freedom and Liberation."

Bitter Fruits for Evil Deeds by folks who think of themselves as Avenging Angels...or Avenging .....whatever.

[KissMyAsscroft]

7. This is one of the many reasons why I didnt support this war.

Anyone with any rudimentary knowledge of Iraq knows that democracy is not going to fly there. Whoever we replace Saddam with will have to be just as brutal to keep the people in check.

Right now that function is being performed by us. We are shooting wildly at protestors, bombing people's homes, using extortion, and I'm sure far worse things that we are not told about. Yet, when Saddam did these very same things, he was "evil." This fact is what makes the "liberating the Iraqis" line so laughable.

Why can't the freepers understand this?

[ClintonTyree]

9. Bremer ............

has stated that they'd go running to the United Nations in that scenario. Typical Republican B.S. Screw everything up then depend on someone else to clean up their frickin' mess.
I imagine the U.N. would rush right in and TRY to straighten things out, but the situation is a tinderbox right now and may be beyond redemption. Thanks Bush! You asshole!

[Junkdrawer]

10. When Dubya change the mission from "WMD" to "Democracy", MANY..

of us here pointed out that Shiites are the majority and that there was NO WAY they would be allowed to rule.

But they were promised democracy, and I think the world will hold our feet to that fire...

[Ilsa]

13. Poppy tried ta 'splain it ta Junyahr,

but Junior had to call the ol' man out, "Let's go! Mano a mano!" Yep, Poppy's resume is long and deep with public service and Junior (who never ran a profitable organization) had something to prove to the ol man.

Well, okay, maybe that's not the real reason behind Bunnypants' behavior.

And congratulations to the very bright and erudite DU'ers who had this one figured out long ago. A friend of mine who visits (nonposter) DU has a lifelong interest in politics. Counts one of his best days as the day he met HHH outside the convention when he was a young man. Has multiple graduate degrees including a doctorate in History. After visiting DU, he told me how much he was impressed with the depth and breadth of knowledge and analytical skill here. He's addicted.

[Cat Atomic]

16. I don't see the humor. n/t

[Snappy]

17. Many people have said this.

Almost since the invasion many people have said that there would be a three way civil war in Iraq. Who will win out? The Kurds, Baathists, Shi'ites? Will there be three countries? Once the dust settles Multi-Natl. Corps will be right in there doing business.

[FreakinDJ]

20. Sad to say this.......Here come the Death Squads

Its not going to happen folks.

I have been watching this scenario unfold time after time. You got to remember to these folks life and liberty does not matter......only the almighty dollar

Let me be the one to go on record here. In the coming weeks and months we are going to see the systematic execution of these people. At this point I don't care if Rummy himself burst down my door with the Patriot Act in hand.

I TELL YOU IT IS GOING TO HAPPEN

[KoKo]

21. Thanks Trumad! For the "little band of DU'ers" WHO KNEW! Your post

is a TREAT! Especially loved your trash of Bremer in his "Armani!" What a twerp that jerk is. He makes me want to :puke: when I see him pumped up in his "Chimp Pandering" garb with his "perfect hair" and "perfect" everything!