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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 03:30 PM
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6 million north Koreans
face no food until April. the world food program said today that their food supply to north Korea is exhausted and only 100000 people will receive aid. this country is an axis of evil that has 6 million people starving? we are in negotiations? insanity.
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NeonLX Donating Member (472 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 03:38 PM
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1. Do they have oil?
If not, then who cares. Oh yeah, and we might p!ss off our Chinese "trading partners" if got too rowdy over there.
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Gulf Coast J Donating Member (221 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 03:49 PM
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5. That and we might not win...
If we start dropping bombs on N. Korea, how long until tens of thousands of American troops and a couple hundred thousand folks around Seoul get killed? A war with North Korea would make Iraq look like a game of touch football.

I'm kind of glad we are using diplomacy for this one.
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NeonLX Donating Member (472 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 03:52 PM
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6. Right. I was just being flip.
Not having the best day today.
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LostInTheMaise Donating Member (250 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 03:42 PM
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2. Not a good advert for Communism
Maybe some change is in order?
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bobbyboucher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 03:53 PM
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7. Yeah, we should let them starve, that's the ticket.
Edited on Mon Feb-09-04 03:55 PM by bobbyboucher
Let's keep playing the tough guy and starve them out of Communism. They'd never let one fly if we let them starve. They'd never attack S. Korea if we let them starve.

It's hardly true communism going on over there, FYI. It's something else, not exactly sure, but fascism, dictator, and despot come to mind.

What else would a good Christian country like ours do? Give them some food? Negotiate from a position of empathy and caring? Engage them in a discussion and encourage their involvment in the world community?

Nah.
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Muddleoftheroad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 04:11 PM
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11. Giving them food, while sounding moral, is foolish
The food doesn't go to those in need, it goes to the leadership and military and is used to keep that leadership in power.

We have a limited amount of aid, let's use it to aid nations that don't threaten to nuke us.
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 03:47 PM
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3. I don't know about "evil" but they certainly have nothing to lose.
Edited on Mon Feb-09-04 03:47 PM by Bandit
N. Korea is the most dangerous threat to America today and Bush* doesn't have a clue what to do. I think we should open the gates on trade and foreign aid. They need help not condemnation. These religious fanatics like Bush* are quite quick to condemn but very slow to help. Not too Christian if you ask me. Didn't Christ say Judge Not lest ye be Judged.
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NeonLX Donating Member (472 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 03:48 PM
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4. I agree...
...but the self-professed "Christians" like Bush don't understand the concept of help, their "compassionate conservative" moniker not withstandting.

Sorry my first response to this thread was so flippant; I'm just more cynical than usual today.
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ma4t Donating Member (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 04:00 PM
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9. "help" is futile
Two points:

1. The people of North Korea need the help; however, any attempt at help will be funneled through the North Korean government which will see to it that only those in favor get anything. The rest of the world could send all kinds of food in and there would still be rampant starvation there because the government wants it to be so.

2. Exactly how are we to "open the gates on trade and foreign aid" anyway? I don't think we are holding the gates shut now. If Cuba, France, China, Russia, Denmark wished to send food to North Korea how exactly would we prevent it?

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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 05:04 PM
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12. We do have sanctions in effect and trading with N. Korea is forbidden
Just as it was with Vietnam for thirty years and still is with Cuba.
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Hammie Donating Member (413 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 05:21 PM
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15. Good Plan!
Reward threatening behavior by lavishing foreign aid on them. I'm trying to think of a worse example to set for other rogue states but I'm coming up empty.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 03:57 PM
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8. That sucks
We are great at imposing sanctions on starving nations.

Might be nice to try and help them for a change instead.
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TexasMexican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 04:01 PM
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10. Sounds good to me.
We let Africa starve, why should we play nice with North Korea just because they threaten us.

Fuck them, their government wants to be isolated so lets give them thier wish, no more help from us.

Maybe when they grow up and want to actually work things out like reasonable people then we will be willing to help them out.
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 05:06 PM
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13. The beatings will continue until morale improves.
Very Christian attitude you have. :shrug:
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TexasMexican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 06:19 PM
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17. what does Christianity have to do with this?
Do you assume that I am a Christian?
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 06:39 PM
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19. Heavens no. I was being quite facetious couldn't you tell?
You certainly don't demonstrate any Christian traits so why would I assume you to be Christian?
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Estragon Donating Member (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 05:07 PM
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14. It's awfully unfair to equate the Korean people with
the Korean administration.

That's like saying Bush is a representative of what all Americans want for America.
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Muddleoftheroad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 05:33 PM
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16. True, especially since they wouldn't see any food aid anyhow
It would go straight to the foul government of North Korea and they would still starve.
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karabekian Donating Member (287 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 06:35 PM
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18. they are allowed to get food aid
their government just uses food as a tool to crush desent. That and the concentration camps. the North Korean Regieme needs to go. Where is the UN on this one?
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maxsolomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 06:40 PM
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20. pretty much nothing to be done by america
this one's on the chinese.

and i suspect kim il sung will let them starve. then he will blame it on us. those poor bastards have no clue what the rest of the planet is like (it sucks less than NK), as the propaganda is total.

once it finally falls, and it will, they're going to be pissed.
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AG78 Donating Member (840 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 06:47 PM
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21. They're not next on the list
We still have Iraq, and the "spring offensive" in Afghanistan, Syria is always right next door. North Korea isn't the focus just yet.

And we won't do it to save the North Korean people. That's like saying we went to Iraq to save the Iraqi people. We've never cared about the people of Iraq. We don't care about the people of North Korea either, unless they can work for cheap.

I wish we could give those people the food(and of course have it get to them) that we waste when we have really fat people having eating contests. But, we live in an odd reality. So what do I know.
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oneighty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 07:24 PM
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22. This is an easy one
Step one: Do a shock and awe thingie on the heathens.

Step two. Send em 64 billion dollars (U.S.) reconstruction money.

Problem solved!

In a way I intend this to sarcastic. But?

180

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