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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-04 01:39 AM
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The Three Legged Stool
Edited on Tue Mar-02-04 01:59 AM by mac2

The Three Legged Stool

The National Press Club, on CSPAN cable network, had a speaker on from the Heritage Foundation. He stated, that his organization is out for reforms in Social Security. Social Security was set up to be a "three legged stool"...one leg savings, two pensions, three social security. If you failed to have the other two...the third would keep you from starving, etc.

As I listened to this man, it occurred to me that we no longer have a society like that of our parents. Our parents and older relatives had these choices for their retirement. The present day retiring and their children will not. Why not? Let's talk about each of the legs on the "three legged stool".

-Savings. It is almost impossible to save. Banks are not giving investors and savers interest rate amounts that can keep up with inflation. You can't buy a CD that has a good interest rate payment. This occurred after the Savings and Loan bailouts of the 80s. We had to pay back the bad loans and failures. Today, CEOs making huge salaries, pensions, options, stock giveaways, homes, trips, etc. plundering profits. Bank and financial mergers and buyouts also cause debt (CEOs and lawyers profiting but no one else). Bad investments and cheaper interest rates to influential people bring in less profit. Americans who once could just put their money in the bank and allow it to grow in a safe manner find they can no longer do so. Workers can't count on this leg of the stool for retirement as in the past.

-Pensions. We all know that companies have cut back and even stopped giving pensions to their employees. They have raided some of the pension plans to pay off debt from poor management, etc. Even when the company is in debt and employees are refused good pension plans...the CEO takes huge, lifetime pension and "consulting fee payment" plans for themselves. Employees that were given 401Ks or stock in the company find their values almost worthless. Workers can't count on this leg of the stool for retirement as in the past.

-Social Security. At one time there were old people on the streets. They ended up there not because they didn't work all their lives. Social Security was set up to be a net to prevent that from happening in old age. Other programs were added for children who lost a bread winner, the disabled, etc. Social Security is one of the most successful federal programs yet.

Let's face it, the Heritage Foundation, some Congress people, the administration, and "money mongers" on Wall Street can't wait to get their hands on it for their own profit. They want everything we have as citizens for their own profit...including our old age money. To take Social Security and invest it in the stock market is pure folly especially when we consider the risk.

We've all seen old people lose their other "leg" in retirement from loss of investments and stocks. Many were living on the dividends and interest rates. Many old people see their retirement money dwindle to half...some even having to enter the work force, if they are healthy enough to do so.

De-regulation of our financial institutions, since Ronald Reagan, has resulted in financial disaster for this country. The fox is in the hen house and has stolen all the "eggs in the basket"...plus eaten all the hens. There is so much corruption and fraud in our financial institutions that the government doesn't even bother to tell the citizens how bad it is. They fail to hold anyone accountable...like it is "the nature of the beast". This "financial greedy beast bit us" back in 1929 yet our leaders pursue the same path today.

It seems to me that, the Heritage Foundation doesn't have a pot to use regarding the "three legged stool". Today...the stool has no legs thanks to Repubicans!!!
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myopic4141 Donating Member (309 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-04 02:02 AM
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1. CMD
Credit Market Debt (entire debt of the nation - government, corporate, and private) is now 303.48% of Gross Domestic Product (GDP) for 2002. 2003 will be out Sep04 and I am willing to bet the it will be higher yet.
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A HERETIC I AM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-04 02:21 AM
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2. more reason that i am glad i have unloaded my revolving debt.
I rent, so i have no mortgage and the only long term debt i have is my car loan. I like it like that.
Our government should too, but they dont.
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Zinfandel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-04 03:28 AM
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3. Where would you invest? What's out there? Nothing! I sure as hell
Edited on Tue Mar-02-04 03:34 AM by Zinfandel
wouldn't want to invest in, such as a Halliburton or the like, no matter how much is to be made..couldn't live with myself...I guess that's the difference between me and the republicans. They don't give a shit and are laughing at me all the to the bank...fuck 'em...hence Haiti and many more to follow I suppose.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-04 04:25 AM
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4. Although I have studied structural engineering,
It doesn't take a genius to discover that a 3 legged stool, with one leg removed, will fall over...

And the republicans, ever since Reagan, have been frantically trying to saw off not just one, not two, but all three legs from the stools of the "working class", while adding additional legs to their own stools. Some of todays elites have as many as 30 legs on their stools. Its not a stool anymore. Its just a large column...

You gotta hand it to the Republicans, though.

They seem to have their policies all figured out, and they have discovered how to guarantee for themseves a lifetime of financial security.

Too bad they had to destroy countless lives to make that happen. But its not that they give a shit...

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Zinfandel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-04 04:37 AM
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5. Pure greed doesn't take much intelligence...which is inherent...
Edited on Tue Mar-02-04 05:02 AM by Zinfandel
do we just go after any avenue not yet exploited...after all our tax dollars (CIA, corporate subsidies and imperialistic objectives) are paying for it!

Republican "think tanks"? Who are these filthy, evil, slime creatures who prey? Is this really what it's all about, as we live here and then move on and leave nothing but pollution, decay, war & destruction for those we care about who follow us?

Should we just hop on board? As the religious right advise's us, because Jesus is coming and we don't have to be concerned about our planet?
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myopic4141 Donating Member (309 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-04 03:09 PM
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8. Even before Reagan.
Edited on Tue Mar-02-04 03:12 PM by myopic4141
Republicans have been trying to undo the economic reforms of FDR; however, it was not until the Reagan Administration that any significant headway was made (Reagan demonstrated the plan when he was governor of California which made the state a fiscal disaster). The new paradigm (to use an over used concept) under Reagan was to fiscally starve the government out of the social safety net to return this country to the purely evolutional Spencerian Economic System (laissez-faire to the extreme). The plan was progressing without much hinderance under the Reagan Administration because the Republicans controlled the Senate (1981 to 1986). The trend was stalled when the Democrats regained control of the Senate in 1987. The Bush I (to his credit) and Clinton Administrations had reversed the trend with a friendly Democrat controlled Congress. The Clinton Administration was able to frustrate the return to the plan by the the Republicans after they took over the Congress in 1995. Immediately upon Shrubby's (aka Shrub the lesser or Bush II) take over of the Administration, the plan was once again entered into; but, with greater voracity. We are now standing on the abyss's edge of a total social safety net collapse. Shrubby's push for "faith based welfare" is a facade to give a false sense of comfort after the collapse knowing full well that "faith based" organizations can no more handle an economic disaster such as the "Great Depression" today than they were back then.
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Zinfandel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-04 05:12 AM
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6. Blaine, Missouri?
Home of the "Three Legged Stool"!!! :hi:
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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-04 11:30 AM
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7. Bump
CSPAN had a smiling liar on this morning about Americans taking responsibility for saving for their old age. Ya...on WalMart salaries.

I hate these Repub guys that smile on CSPAN while lying. Rummy does it all the time...it's so maniacal.
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T Bone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-04 03:23 PM
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9. and the Bush Labor Dept helps corporations defund Pensions !
goOD find, mac2, you wrote:>> -Pensions. We all know that companies have cut back and even stopped giving pensions to their employees. They have raided some of the pension plans to pay off debt from poor management, etc.<<<<<

And who has enabled corporations to cut back on pensions, who has helped corporations find the legal gray areas where they can turn off and defund theIR exisitng employee pensions ??....scream it from the rooftops !!

THE BUSH LABOR DEPARTMENT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

tHE LABOR dEPARTMENT THAT WAS FOUNDED IN THE 30'S BY fdr AND THE dEMOCRATS to help and aid WORKING PEOPLE is now helping corporations skirt around and defund their pension liabilities to workers.

And the Heritage Foundation is just another shill for the right. Trying to justify cutting SS while the other wingers in the Labor Dept help corporations cut pensions/ They really are fucking bastards.

If they succeed in cutting all 3 legs off the stool, I say we find the legs and shove 'em up the Heritage Fondation's collective ASS.
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