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maveric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-04 01:44 PM
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CNN said that Iraqis are pushing US soldiers out of the way at
the explosion scene. US personel are being pushed out of the way by Iraqis trying to find survivors in the rubble of the hotel. The feeling toward the US is getting worse by the day.

Now a CNN reporter in Bahgdad is saying that the iraqis and or terrorists are trying to ruin bu$h's wonderful plan for peace and democracy.

They dont get it!

Hey Georgie, Rummy... your plans for liberation and democracy are turning into a CIVIL WAR!
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Coventina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-04 01:47 PM
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1. I can understand the anger
Their lives have become LESS safe because of the invasion/occupation.

What a horrible mess!
No easy solutions.
THANKS CHIMPY YOU MURDERING BASTARD!!!!!
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nickinSTL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-04 01:51 PM
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2. Civil war?
I figured that civil war was a likelihood before we invaded.

I've actually been surprised at the level of control the military has been able to maintain.

I still think that if we start pulling out troops after turning things over at the end of June, there will be a civil war.
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maveric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-04 01:55 PM
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4. Do you think that after turnover all will be calm and "nice, nice"?
I hear these analysts saying that after the power change "things will calm down" and "peace will be restored". YEAH RIGHT!

You think its bad now, wait till june.
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AG78 Donating Member (840 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-04 03:05 PM
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14. Exactly
The light of freedom that is America had to go through a civil war. And even then, it took another 100 years or so after that war until EVERYONE had some type of rights.

But somehow, a country that can't seem to get democracy right, is going to impose democracy on a culture far older than ours, and who's country was carved up by another Empire that would fade away a few years later, because of yet another Empire trying to grab power in Europe.

I would certainly hope that civil war doesn't happen. But if human history is anything, it's one long civil war.
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truthspeaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-04 02:15 PM
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8. there will be a civil war whether we pull troops out or not
the only question is what side our troops will be ordered to take.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-04 03:06 PM
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15. There will be civil war?
Edited on Wed Mar-17-04 03:07 PM by DoYouEverWonder
Did you miss the memo? The civil war has already begun.

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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-04 03:28 PM
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16. there are no plans to accompany a return of "Iraqi sovereignity"...
...with an end to the U.S. occupation. Current plans are for a puppet government that will "request" that the U.S. military maintain a garrison force in Iraq indefinitely, or until the oil is all gone, whichever comes first....
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tjwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-04 03:28 PM
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17. That's why Bush No. 1 never captured Hussein after desert storm.
nt
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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-04 01:53 PM
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3. there IS an easy solution - Bring The Troops Home Now

the Iraqis are smart enough to repair and run their own country.


get Israel out of Palestine for good.

the Palestines are smart enough to repair and run their own country and if Israel would leave them alone they would stop killing Israelies.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-04 01:58 PM
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5. i heard, we thought they would welcome us
these people are part of the country wanting u.s. out, we just didnt expect this. well duh, how about the last time we tried to take over a country, vietnam. didnt work then, we knew it wouldnt work now in our arrogance. people dont like invasion
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annagull Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-04 02:01 PM
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6. After the huge mosque bombings a few weeks ago
I was watching CBS news. There was an Iraqi doctor taking in the dead and wounded and he said to the camera: "This is freedom? Fuck your freedom!". Of course they bleeped out the f-word, but you clearly got the message. I have been amazed at the 'bright, shiny Iraq' news coverage this week that has been ignoring reality. Shameful.
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ElementaryPenguin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-04 02:11 PM
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7. Wow! Powerful stuff! This occupation is so fucking revolting!
:wow:
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chelsea0011 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-04 02:29 PM
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9. Administration has no idea who the bombers are
You keep hearing names bantered around but no one short of the bombers themselves know who they are. For all we know it is anyone and everyone.
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truthspeaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-04 02:52 PM
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10. Good. I hope they keep that anger.
If everyday Iraqis can force CNN to show them telling the US to get the fuck out of their country, maybe a few Americans will get the picture.
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-04 02:56 PM
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11. way to celebrate the annivesary of a liberation, Iraq
Edited on Wed Mar-17-04 02:59 PM by librechik
show us how you REALLY feel...

Yes, Bush is a murdering bastard, and so is whoever blew up the hotel. I feel so sorry for what we have done. I so hope we can get rid of Bush, for us and the Iraqis.
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heidiho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-04 02:56 PM
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12. "They Said They Came to bring Freedom and all they have brought is death"
cried an Iraqi woman on a newscast recently after another bombing.

How much more can these poor people take of western democracy and "liberation"!

Where are the flowers thrown at our feet and cheering crowds.

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Mike Daniels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-04 03:34 PM
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18. Not to pick nits
but technically, aren't the ones doing the bombing the ones bringing the death in cases of the hotel, shootings and other suicide bombings?

I wasn't for the invasion by any means but the individuals who are now blowing up their own countrymen deserve as much contempt and disgust as Bush who allowed things to reach this point to begin with.
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BabsSong Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-04 03:03 PM
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13. Ran into two comments on CNN and MSNBC today
In the morning Imus said he asked Chip Reed the NBC reporter over there (this was before the bombings) what was the real story of what was going on over there. He said Reed was one of the honest reporters and added "they all aren't, you know". Reed told him: Its a mess--a real mess. So, you can see how much the heads at the news media keep this thing under wraps.

Second, after the White House Press Secretary did his spew, CNN cut to their man on the scene. He told about how the Iraqis attacked the soldiers when they came and said that things over there fly in the face of what the White House keeps saying. In other words, there is so much violence and hatred of us over there that this idiotic notion of "democracy is coming along a-okay" is just plain bogus shit......and after these two reports I am really convinced about how the media chiefs are running around constantly making us believe the White House version of everything.
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shrike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-04 03:45 PM
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19. Who do you believe, me or your lyin' eyes
I said that on another post, but truly, I feel like I'm in bizarro land whenever I watch the news.
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-04 05:14 PM
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20. Heres a novel idea. Let the IRAQIS decide if they want us there or not.
Amazes me such arrogance from our media and our government as to who should even MAKE this decision.

We have screwed up royally and blown the hell out of there country, their families, their history and their pride.

THE LEAST WE COULD DO IS LET THEM DECIDE.
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