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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-04 05:29 PM
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I was just on WGN radio, arguing about the Condiliar
the idiot host quoted a LONG section from the WSJ, making fun of Clarke's testimony, alleging that he admitted that, in questioning from Slade Gorton, that, even, given some certain circumstances, that there was NOT ONE CHANCE that we could have stopped 911 from happening. Then some crap about since Clarke was in an apologizing mood, why didn't he apologize for WASTING a WEEK of the commission's time!!!!!!

So I called in and asked if that was from the editorial page. I said it was a travesty, or whatever, and they are NOT to be believed. I said they were one of the main movers behind the idea of Vince Foster's murder, so how could you take ANYThing they said seriously.

I said that it was VERY disingenuous of him to use them as a source of information without an opinion from the other end of the spectrum. He asked me if I'd like something from the NY Times, and I said that they aren't much better. He, of course, thought I was nuts with that.....typical moron.

I then asked if he knew that condi has already redacted part of her testimony, then mentioned LAST THURSDAY/s WashPost article, which quoted B-V as saying she took back what she said about planes slamming into buildings and offered to email it to him. He sounded as if he didn't believe she said that.....I also mentioned CapGang's mention.

I said, basically, she alREADY perjured herself.

NOW they're making fun of ME, saying I'm biased

caller: asked me where I should take my facts, the national enquirer? also, about my comment re: quoting an opposite source, "how can you have enough TIME to read so many newspapers?" good logic, huh?

next caller: did we do this much investigation about Pearl Harbor?


can they be MORE ignorant?

so, finally, he asked me if I thought she'd be honest this time, and I used a DUers quote: the reason Condi has a gap between her teeth is to let the lies get out more easily!

it was FUN! going to send him that article, plus the one from CNN about the "high level State Dept official" who said Clinton spent too much time on alQaeda, and personalized binLaden.
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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-04 05:34 PM
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1. here's the Post article
Democratic commission member Richard Ben-Veniste disclosed this week that Rice had asked, in her private meetings with the commission, to revise a statement she made publicly that "I don't think anybody could have predicted that those people could have taken an airplane and slam it into the World Trade Center . . . that they would try to use an airplane as a missile." Rice told the commission that she misspoke; the commission has received information that prior to Sept. 11, U.S. intelligence agencies and Clarke had talked about terrorists using airplanes as missiles

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A25177-2004Mar25.html

isn't it amazing that this little tidbit gets no coverage whatsover?

contrast with the LIES they're spreading about Clarke, repeated over and over

I Love Candy Crowley just allowed that halfwit senator McConnell to repeat TWICE in three minutes the canard about Clarke venally springing his book on an unsuspecting public just before the hearings

WHY didn't she mention that the WH held it up for THREE MONTHS!

how silly of me.....

unfortunately dodo Jay Rockefeller let that go twice himself!

what's the MATTER with these idiots? don't they know how to FIGHT BACK?
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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-04 05:34 PM
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2. wait a minute.....computer trouble
Edited on Tue Mar-30-04 05:34 PM by buycitgo
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-04 05:40 PM
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3. wgn
where 50% of their listeners don`t realize they are dead and 25% are one foot in the grave? the station of milty,"i`m so full of crap" rosenburg?and i wouldn`t think of leaving out "cathy and judy"..ok spike,too. you know you shouldn`t call them ,it`s way to hard for them to answer any complex questions. just ask what the weather is going to be and if it`s safe to come downtown...
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rfranklin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-04 05:40 PM
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4. Realize th at you are not debating, you are dealing with an
entertainment program. Whenever Limbaugh gets caught lying (which is often) he claims that he is an entertainer. Facts are not important, reassuring the dittoheads and providing them with a sense of superiority is the point. Like rats in a Skinner box they will keep on listening and providing an audience for the stations to sell to advertisers of hemmorhoid creams and survivalist radio sets.
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efhmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-04 05:55 PM
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5. What does "rats in a Skinner box mean"?
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LTR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-04 06:01 PM
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6. Us? (nm)
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Kathy in Cambridge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-04 06:02 PM
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7. BF Skinner, famous psychologist
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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-04 06:25 PM
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8. so, anyway, I wrote him this
Edited on Tue Mar-30-04 06:29 PM by buycitgo
John,

Here's the article I mentioned, along with another that sheds some light on the mendacity of this administration:

Democratic commission member Richard Ben-Veniste disclosed this week that Rice had asked, in her private meetings with the commission, to revise a statement she made publicly that "I don't think anybody could have predicted that those people could have taken an airplane and slam it into the World Trade Center . . . that they would try to use an airplane as a missile." Rice told the commission that she misspoke; the commission has received information that prior to Sept. 11, U.S. intelligence agencies and Clarke had talked about terrorists using airplanes as missiles
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A25177-2004Mar25.html

here's another, highlighting their hypocrisy, in this instance:

http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/04/30/terrorism.state.dept
For the second year in a row, the State Department warned that South Asia "remained a focal point for terrorism directed against the United States" and said trends in terrorism continue to shift from the Middle East to South Asia.

........
Unlike last year's report, bin Laden's al Qaeda organization is mentioned, but the 2000 report does not contain a photograph of bin Laden or a lengthy description of him and the group. A senior State Department official told CNN that the U.S. government made a mistake last year by focusing too tightly on bin Laden and "personalizing terrorism ... describing parts of the elephant and not the whole beast."



Do you find it just the slightest bit odd that we don't hear anything about articles like these?


I'm the person who called in to your show today about Condoleeza Rice's "testimony."

I think you're usually pretty reasonable, but today's uncritical reading of that Wall Street Journal editorial was pretty disingenuous, as well as your criticism of Clarke for "apologizing." I pay very close attention to what's been said about Clarke, and you seem to have bought into the Right Wing spin on his presumptuousness

You might want to try to get some of the 911 widows on your show, and see what THEY think of Clarke, versus what they think of Condi Rice, or our "President," and how they've dragged their feet at EVERY stage of
the commission's lifespan. They surrounded him after his testimony, and are convinced that he's the ONLY one, either commissioner, or testifier, who WANTS to get to the bottom of what happened, in order that we can STOP it from happening again.

You made fun of the process of investigating what happened, by the way, insinuating that it's devolved into a political game, which is another right wing canard. Someone IS to blame, and it's important to find out WHO it is, whether it be Clinton, Bush, or some combination thereof. I can only hope that you were as uninterested in delving into Clinton's sex life six years ago.

Now.....why do you suppose that the above articles have gotten NO exposure, no discussion over the last five days, when all we hear is how venal Clarke is, how unreliable his testimony is. He DID testify under oath, and, subsequently, has asked for his previous testimony to be released.....ALL of it. He has nothing to hide, unlike this administration.

I admit my "bias," if you will, but I care DEEPLY that we are doing very little to prevent a repetition of 911....doomed to replay Santayana's famous warning. And I could not care LESS who is forced to bear the brunt of culpability, especially if it turns out that they LIED to the American people about what they knew, what they did, and, more importantly, what they did NOT do.

You wondered, sarcastically, where you could've found something else to read, in contrast to the WSJ......well, how about this?

sorry for the length of this, but I fee passionately that we're being LIED to, and lied to all the time,. about almost everything by this government:

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/30/opinion/30KRUG.html?th
Last week an opinion piece in the Israeli newspaper Haaretz about the killing of Sheik Ahmed Yassin said, "This isn't America; the government did not invent intelligence material nor exaggerate the description of the threat to justify their attack."
So even in Israel, George Bush's America has become a byword for deception and abuse of power. And the administration's reaction to Richard Clarke's "Against All Enemies" provides more evidence of something rotten in the state of our government.

The truth is that among experts, what Mr. Clarke says about Mr. Bush's terrorism policy isn't controversial. The facts that terrorism was placed on the back burner before 9/11 and that Mr. Bush blamed Iraq despite the lack of evidence are confirmed by many sources — including "Bush at War," by Bob Woodward.

And new evidence keeps emerging for Mr. Clarke's main charge, that the Iraq obsession undermined the pursuit of Al Qaeda. From yesterday's USA Today: "In 2002, troops from the Fifth Special Forces Group who specialize in the Middle East were pulled out of the hunt for Osama bin Laden to prepare for their next assignment: Iraq. Their replacements were troops with expertise in Spanish cultures."

That's why the administration responded to Mr. Clarke the way it responds to anyone who reveals inconvenient facts: with a campaign of character assassination.

Some journalists seem, finally, to have caught on. Last week an Associated Press news analysis noted that such personal attacks were "standard operating procedure" for this administration and cited "a behind-the-scenes campaign to discredit Richard Foster," the Medicare actuary who revealed how the administration had deceived Congress about the cost of its prescription drug bill.

But other journalists apparently remain ready to be used. On CNN, Wolf Blitzer told his viewers that unnamed officials were saying that Mr. Clarke "wants to make a few bucks, and that his own personal life, they're also suggesting that there are some weird aspects in his life, as well."


One last thing to mull over: Do you know about the famous Presidential Daily Brief of August 6, 2001, in which he was specifically warned about highjacked airliners, at the very least (they won't release any specific information)?
What was the president's response? He WENT FISHING, and stayed on vacation for another FOUR WEEKS!
Quite a priority, that, yes? Four weeks, John, four weeks on vacation in the face of explicit warnings about highjackings.

Please, John, you have a large audience, to whom you owe the truth.


I did a PS, predicting the three main physical manifestations of her lying, the ones that make her so transparent: the quavery voice, the fluttery eyes, and the headshake
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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-04 06:31 PM
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9. those of you who trash WGN, btw.....you're all CORRECT!
I've gone into it with Milt several times, with members of that dopey JFK assassination records group, Ann Coulter, and some others; exhanged emails with him

he made the astounding statement to me that he thought the media gave Clinton a PASS during Whitewater!!!!!
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-04 06:58 PM
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10. good work BCG!!
Keep the hammer on them.
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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-04 07:16 PM
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11. bcg? oh, heh
lots of fun; they have a very large audience in the drive-home slot, either first or second in Chicago

lots and lots of dolts

my brother heard me one night.....he lives in Milwaukee

Mrs. B#2 heard me talk to Robert Dallek, twice in ten minutes, last summer.

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linazelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-04 07:18 PM
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12. WGN? Hey, I'm in Chicago too!
Edited on Tue Mar-30-04 07:22 PM by linazelle
:hi:

Great rebuttal.
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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-04 07:26 PM
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13. you didn't hear it, did you?
I hate going on, but get SO mad when I hear all the spewage...then, it's kind of fun, if they don't cut me off, cause they're all such dipshits, such liars
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