New Poll -- CNN says Condi turned tide for Bush

[Atman]

Now saying Clarke is not believable, Condi is. This is supposedly after yesterday's "testimony." It stinks to high heaven. The fix is in.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

1. I have no idea what part of Condi's testimony was more believable

But I do have no doubt that the American public is completely brainwashed.

[madmax]

2. Either these polls are skewed

Or Americans are loathe to even think that their government and officials are incompetent or liars and perhaps both.

[arcane1]

8. they don't mind thinking that about Clarke, though

they are selective indeed

this goes to show the difference between watching the testimony itself, and watching news reports on the testimony

[glarius]

20. The media is influencing the polls by not reporting re Clarke's witnesses!

When Clarke appeared on 60 Minutes, CBS said they had verified with several other White House witnesses that Clarke was telling the truth....Why is this fact being ignored by the media?....The media is playing this like it is a case of "he said - she said.".....

[tom_paine]

38. That's what they do.

It help cover the ass of their Imperial Masters to treat corrorated-lies vs. corroborated-truths as "he said, she said".

I am learning more about the techniques of Bushevik/Putin "Managed Democracy" every day. Learning far more than I ever wanted to know about How to Subjugate a Free Nation.

[wtmusic]

3. link, please

thanks!

[Atman]

9. It is brand new...check their site

It JUST came on the air. They called it a "brand new" poll, just in.

Did Bush do all he could?

Yes 48% (Up from 40% last poll)

No 42% (Down from 50% last poll)

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What really toasts me is the post game shows yesterday almost UNIVERSALLY were saying Condi sucked wind and made more problems for Bush. Even Tweety, Wolf, Freidman and many on the right said she actually hurt Bush. In the afternoon.

BUT...by the evening I channel surfed and all the news outlets were reporting the exact opposite. When they showed the exchange between Rice and Ben-Veniste, the cut out the "just answer the question" exchange and only showed her seemingly forthrightly anwering the question. This sucks so bad. They ALL seem to have changed their mind in the course of a few hours. Just enough time to get the memo's from the top, I guess.

I am soooo bummed. The fix is in.

[MurrayDelph]

45. Bush DID do all HE could do!

He did diddly-squat!

On the other hand, a competent administration might have
been able to do a lot more.

[LittleApple81]

11. this might be it?

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/04/09/rice.poll/index.html

[wtmusic]

18. Local paper's headline today, "Did Rice Change any Minds?'

Tacit assumption that most know she's a lying sack o' shit.

Love it.

[LittleApple81]

21. But in the link in the thread above they actually say this:

Rice won the credibility race against former counterterrorism aide Richard Clarke -- who testified that the White House had ignored warnings about Osama bin Laden's terrorist organization. Forty-three percent of the poll's participants said they were more likely to believe Rice, as opposed to 36 percent naming Clarke.

Still, 21 percent weren't sure, and it was the 72 percent of Republican respondents who put Rice over the top.

Fifty-three percent of Democrats believed Clarke over Rice.

[LittleApple81]

42. THEY ARE JUST OBFUSCATING: Link and quote.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/04/09/rice.poll/index.html
snip...
Rice won the credibility race against former counterterrorism aide Richard Clarke -- who testified that the White House had ignored warnings about Osama bin Laden's terrorist organization. Forty-three percent of the poll's participants said they were more likely to believe Rice, as opposed to 36 percent naming Clarke.

Still, 21 percent weren't sure, and it was the 72 percent of Republican respondents who put Rice over the top.

Fifty-three percent of Democrats believed Clarke over Rice.


more....

[worldgonekrazy]

46. I think you are reading into it too much

The press is actually being QUITE critical of the Bush Administration these days. I think they realize they've been lied to and used by this administration time and time again, and they are finally fed up with it. Add to that the absolute horror that would be a 9/11 LIHOP (which seems more and more likely with each passing day) and I don't see how you get a sympathetic press corps. In fact, I think the press is purposefully pushing this 9/11 thing to put the pressure on the Bush Administration. If it weren't for all the press stories Condi Rice would never have had to testify, nor would the August 6th PDB be declassified. This is just the beginning of a snowball effect that will culminate in Bush's downfall.

[Guaranteed]

41. Here, read it....this is NOTHING...no damage:

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/04/09/rice.poll/index.html

Here's the supposed "victory":

"Forty percent of the 1,000 Americans polled said that the administration, based on the information it had, could have done more to stop the terrorist attacks, compared with 54 percent in a CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll conducted March 26-28."

That's not surprising at all.

Then there's this:

"Rice won the credibility race against former counterterrorism aide Richard Clarke -- who testified that the White House had ignored warnings about Osama bin Laden's terrorist organization. Forty-three percent of the poll's participants said they were more likely to believe Rice, as opposed to 36 percent naming Clarke.

Still, 21 percent weren't sure, and it was the 72 percent of Republican respondents who put Rice over the top.

Fifty-three percent of Democrats believed Clarke over Rice."

This is nothing.

[LittleApple81]

4. Remember they tried the same thing after Russert's famous

interview with Bush???
Then the truth came out... he was the awful joke that we at DU had surmised as soon as we saw him.

[KoKo]

5. I've had to switch to the other media "whore" MSNBC because of CNN

CNN the last two weeks has been in "lock down." MSNBC isn't much better but there are a few escapes here and there.

Otherwise it's the internet for news.

[alittlelark]

36. Same here, the propaganda on MSNBC seems much less overt

I was REALLY impressed with that Hardball 9-11 widows interview after the Condilies.

[GOPisEvil]

6. CNN is pissed because Clarke is exclusively on ABC.

[cliss]

7. What exactly does this mean, turn the tide?

Turn the tide for Bush in a positive way or a negative way? Based on what I've heard on Air America which covered the hearing yesterday, she was an ass.

She lied, lied and lied some more to cover her boss. If this was seen as bolsteing his image, then I'm completely stumped.

[Atman]

14. Good for Bush

"Based on what I've heard on Air America which covered the hearing yesterday, she was an ass."

Exactly. And that is what you'd have heard yesterday afternoon had you watched CNN, MSNBC, etc. By evening news, even CBS, usually tougher on Bush, was editing out the exchange between Ben-Veniste and Rice and was making her sound as if she took the place by storm.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

10. Just more proof that the average Amercian just does NOT think

We're taught not to think or be creative - but to be good "citizens" - basically be sheeples.

[freetobegay]

12. I made a comment a couple a days ago about CNN

Lou Dobbs was the only one worth watching. & several du'ers jumped me & said what are you talking about CNN is very liberal just look at Time Warner.

[jackstraw45]

13. What do you expect from the CORPORATE MEDIA?

They are OWNED by GOP Interests.

I know they're all we've got but don't let them tell YOU how things really are. Because they have become a propaganda machine - nothing more, nothing less.

So grab that grain of salt...

[KansDem]

30. Really...

After the "Yawning Boy" fiasco with CNN claiming that the tape was doctored by Letterman, then claiming it received a call from the White House that said the tape was faked; then admitting it had "made a mistake," who can believe them?

CNN's credibility is shot!!!

[Beetwasher]

15. Oh Please! The Public Believes the LAST Thing they See on TV

If Clarke testified again tomorrow those numbers would flip...Who cares what CNN says anyway...I guarantee you there will be NO bump in the polls for Bush and NO rebound about his credibility as a result of Condi's testimony...

[Tracer]

16. If she "turned the tide" towards *, then ...

... I'm even more astonished.

I listened to most of her testimony and to me, it was nothing but finger-pointing, denial and stump speeches for Bush, mixed in with "nobody told me what to do, so I didn't do anything".

Just another incompetent Bush crony.

[goclark]

17. They Can Hide Their Lies

They are unreal at CNN at this point. RoveHitler has them by the pants.
I am so disappointed in CNN. They must have been told if you say anything about the chimpco and it is not positive, your job is GONE!

So far, whenever they have a "poll" with high ratings for Bush, it seems that when the dust settles,Chimpco is not as high as they had predicted.

I wonder why--hummm

[Arianrhod]

27. They aren't hiding the lies.

They are putting them forth, openly, for all to see. Proudly. Arrogantly. Swaggeringly. The people seem to love them for it.

Conservatism is the path of least resistance.

[Cush]

19. CBS says something else

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/04/09/opinion/polls/main611077.shtml

[Daisey Mae]

22. Condi = Blatant lies

[Skittles]

23. there is no way Rice's testimony could sway anyone

no way

[59millionmorons]

24. Another adults only poll

Rice has higher name recondition. Nothing impresive here. Another worthless poll. If you are going to do a poll, atleast poll people who are actually going to vote.

[JHB]

25. Poll, schmoll. They took that "poll" last week, same time they...

...wrote this headline:

[cliss]

34. Take a closer look.....

At the eyes. She looks hideous, evil. This woman has gone over to the dark side. I would not want to meet her in a dark alley.

[xxqqqzme]

43. wasn't it Jon Stewart

that played the 'Darth Vader theme' showing sleeza walking N2 the committee room. The Daily Show's analysis of her testimony was concise and on the money! I dare ANY whorporate media hair do 2 match it!

[sir_captain]

26. Honestly

who gives a crap about a non-scientific CNN internet poll?

[Wapsie B]

28. Please remember now,

that with all of our derision towards Faux, it was CNN that was infiltrated by the CIA psy-ops boys.

[maggrwaggr]

29. has nothing to do with Condi's testimony.

the smear campaign against Clarke worked. People now thinkthat he's a liar who was promoting his book, that he was a disgruntled employee.

Has nothing to do with Condi's testimony.

[tjwash]

31. Righhhhht.

Has anyone figured out the part about the media being unpaid advertisers for the US government yet? Anyone? Anyone?

[Cascadian]

32. Spin spin spin!

CNN disgusts me. Ted Turner should ask to get the station back. They are no different than Faux News.


John

[JohnOneillsMemory]

33. Ignorance kills. Americans suffer an intelligence failure. echhh. n/t

[OKNancy]

35. Where on CNN?

Not what I read. Are you sure you aren't being just a little dramatic?

Poll: Rice testimony yields mixed results for White House
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/04/09/rice.poll/index.html

[tom_paine]

37. CNN is disgusting Pravda

Worse than Faux because they fool more people.

[RBHam]

39. Millions of dittoheads still believe Iraq is Al Qaeda

Gullible flag waving bigoted racists are easy to sway.

[Loonman]

40. Wolf Blitzer gets paid in $100 and $1,000 bills...

...from the White House.

[AgadorSparticus]

44. this is outrageous. i just saw a poll saying nader is up to 6% and yet he

didn't even get on the OR ballot (think it was CNN, maybe MNSBC). these things are obviously fixed. how can ANYONE believe this? TURN THE TV OFF and go listen to AA, folks. it's better for your health. :)