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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 06:20 PM
Original message
The inside story on California Diebold decertification -- Next: Ohio?
Edited on Thu Apr-22-04 06:28 PM by BevHarris
Here's what pushed it over the top:

There were many, many people and groups involved, among them BlackBoxVoting.org, VerifiedVoting.org, VotersUnite.org, True Majority, SAVE-Democracy, California Voter Foundation, but this produced intense stress and left, really, no choice:

California completed its audit of certified versions in use. ONLY ONE county in California was using certified software (Orange County). Even there, significant problems arose.

The California secretary of state's office issued a report, which was critical to all vendors but brutal on Diebold.

A couple weeks back, I got an email from James Dunn, a California citizen who reported interesting things about his experience as a tech putting together the Diebold TSx system. I thought his information was important and passed it to Jim March, a Republican/Libertarian gun lobbyist who lives in Sacramento, for follow up. Jim is on of my co-plaintiffs in the lawsuit in California asking for restitution from Diebold, and he is highly skilled in persuasive lobbying.

Jim drove to Stockton to take a formal declaration from James Dunn. It was devastating. Basically, Diebold hires techs, and "rovers" for election day, by having a temp agency place ads on Monster.com. They hired Dunn over the phone and told him to show up for work and start assembling Diebold machines. Diebold's voter card encoder was not functioning properly, and therefore Diebold created several patches and told Dunn and the others to put them on the machines. Later, at the county facility, the Secretary of State paid a surprise visit. The assistant county registrar and Diebold employees were there. The techs were told not to tell what they were doing, and not to answer questions. After a brief conference among county and Diebold project managers, the techs were sent home with pay.

There was no inventory control. Patches went on some voter card encoders but not others, and records weren't kept of which were which. Patches overwrote other patches on the installation cards, with hand written version numbers crossed out and competing with each other for attention.

Though Diebold's technical data specs for the TSx machines specify that Diebold is ISO compliant (a quality management system for software) no attempt was made to follow even the most basic quality control standards to comply with ISO 9000. Most machines were not even tested after the patches.

The batteries kept dying, even when the machines were in transit only for a short time. But the batteries didnt even need to run down; when they got low, the machines lost their software.

The techs warned everyone who would listen that this was going to be a problem on election day. Diebold instructed them to ship the machines out around to various counties (and to Johnson County, Kansas) despite the flaws. The encoders did indeed fail on election day, causing many,many people to lose their ability to vote at all.

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At the hearing yesterday: Bob Urosevich started off, and said he had no idea of the battery problem, and that Diebold had fixed all the problems identified by the various reports (SAIC, RABA)

But then Dunn testified that they did know about the problems.

Urosevich was cross examined, and it got pretty cross (on the part of the voter board) and tense (on the part of Diebold's lawyer, who kept jumping up to whisper in Urosevich's ear). His answers were evasive, nonsensical, parsed words beyond the meaning of "is" and so frustrated the panel that one panel member said "so we can look at your answer two ways -- you were trying to be misleading or you were lying. Which is it?"

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Enter the next set of documents -- the lawyers memos.

Out of perhaps 600 pages, about 50 pages were deemed to be of compelling public interest. The most important information on these was provided directly to two gentlemen who had an appointment to meet with Kevin Shelley who was, at that time, out of the state. On Monday, March had provided Dunn's declaration to the secretary of state's office and to the California attorney general.

While traveling a few days ago, my plane touched down for about 20 minutes in Oakland while I was on my way to Dallas. I grabbed my cell phone and called Ian Hoffman of the Oakland Trib to tip him off about a set of documents that had become available, and he was keenly interested. He made the correct inquiries to locate a selection of memos.

Hoffman printed two articles in the Oakland Tribune and the Tri Valley Herald, on Tuesday this week, detailing the problems exposed by the memos:
1) Diebold's lawyers were planning to lie to the secretary of state by saying the smart card system was commercial off the shelf, and didnt need to be certified. This was in response to a suggested interrogatory I provided for the January voting panel hearing via Jim March. Of course, this system is customized and heavily modified.

2)Diebold's lawyers described absurd answers to the interrogatories, like saying that to get hold of the source code for the TSx might take several months. However, if a software developer is following ISO 9000 standards, or any certification and auditability standards, of course they can lay their hands on their own source code. In a matter of a few minutes, certainly.

3) Diebolds lawyers said they needed to "find out what the secretary of state's office has" especially, if they had documents from the Diebold FTP site. They said they wanted to minimize document production. It so happens that strong evidence of the customized votercard programs was on that FTP site -- at least nine different versions of it.

4) Diebold's lawyers also outlined a number of areas where they had concluded that their client had probably broken the law.

5) They also made patently absurd written responses about the Windows CE system.

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At the hearing, the voting panel cross examined Bob Urosevich and then his lawyer about information contained in these memos. The answers had the crowd squirming, guffawing and rolling their eyes.

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Jody Holder, a powerful researcher, brilliant guy, who is also a plaintiff in the consumers lawsuit against Diebold, obtained contracts between Diebold and the counties. In the Kern County contract was a "section O" where Kern agreed to let Diebold set up a dedicated phone line with direct access from corporate into their GEMS central tabulator system at any time.

The voting panel asked the Kern County elections registrar why in the world she signed that. Her only answer was "we don't use it."

But she agreed to give Diebold control of her central tabulator whenever they wanted.

"But I don't do that" she repeated.
"Oh I can sleep better now," said a member of the voting panel.

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Urosevich stated that all the flaws were fixed, but in GEMS 1.18.18, you see, I had obtained the release notes. Andy placed all of the release notes on this web address: http://www.home.comcast.net/~texex/releasenotes.zip

When I testified, I was so sick of the lies that I was not as calm as usual. My testimony consisted of something like this: "Voting is a public trust. But Diebold LIES. You cannot have a company that lies have control of the vote." I then directed the 500-member audience to the web site to look at the release notes and see for themselves. The flaws we exposed in GEMS include ability to bypass password, ability to overwrite the audit log, ability to change votes, ability to enter minus votes, and the use of two sets of books, one which is used for spot checks and the other for the reported results. The two sets of books need not match.

The release notes show that not one of these flaws were corrected.

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The chief obstacle to statewide decertification is the county registrars, many of whom are defending Diebold until the bitter end. Many testified, many told flat out lies, like "These machines have never miscounted" (Ahem: San Diego. Super Tuesday. GEMS. Miscounted 3000 votes).

==========================

One of the main excuses was to blame the voting panel for putting pressure on everyone. Well, they came in spittin' mad today, and pretty much dressed Diebold down one side and up the other.

And then they decertified the TSx (applies to 4 counties) and suggested submitting the case to the AGs office for possible criminal and civil prosecution.

============================

Some counties with touch screens did not get decertified (Alameda). That is because they have the TSr not the TSx. This is still not resolved, and may reopen. Also, the GEMS system still is not fully resolved, nor is the issue of wireless communications, which Diebold has never answered.

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Citizens, you really can make a difference. Right now I'm in Ohio. Tomorrow I'll meet with a group of African American ministers, with a few state senators, and do media interviews. Today we held a dramatic event at the Diebold stockholders meeting, and DU's own Jeff Seeman, who is running for office, questioned Wally O'Dell creating some most awkward moments.

Ohio is a swing state. Its secretary of state has recommended dumping $128 million into touch screens. Its senate is trying to block the expenditure. Together with CASE Ohio, we are mobilizing support for the senators. I also networked with a fantastic, dynamic new youth voting group called "The League of Pissed Off Voters."

Been mighty busy. You ain't seen nothing yet. I need contributions, of course, and at the moment they are funding travel for coalition-building among all the small local groups.

Bev Harris


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toddzilla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 06:22 PM
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1. just sent the balance of my paypal account..
You absolutely rock.

:toast:
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 06:46 PM
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8. Thank you. So do you.
Bev
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ParanoidPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 06:26 PM
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2. Thanks again Bev!
We owe you BIG TIME! :evilgrin: :toast:


How do you like Ohio? I may be moving to Cincinnati in a couple months. :(
If I do I'll sure miss these redwoods.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 06:30 PM
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3. What will happen in CA in November 2004?
No Diebold touchscreens or no touchscreen voting machines at all?
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toddzilla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 06:34 PM
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4. why can't they just use optical scanners?
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 06:39 PM
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6. As it stands now, there would still be Diebold touch screens.
So far, the decertification was only for the new TSx machines. But there was a technicality that may reopen this.

We need voter verified papers ballots everywhere this fall, no exceptions. If that means optical scans, fine.

We also need to run a few more reports as the vote travels through the system. These are computers. Running reports at various stages is easy and cheap. We need to make sure votes stay the same from point to point. Simple audit procedure, we need to do it.

We also need to USE the paper ballots to spot check the machines.

Bev
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TruthIsAll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 07:24 PM
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20. Bev, I never thought it would happen. Diebold caught?
Our system still working? Democracy still alive? And to think there
are still trolls here at DU who maintain that Diebold is as pure as the driven snow.

They are pure all right. Pure EVIL.

We need this repeated in every state BEFORE the election.

Congrats to you and all.

TIA
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Steven_S Donating Member (810 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 06:37 PM
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5. Thanks, Bev, great work...
Sounds like a movement is afoot. Let's get all these crappy machines back in the junkyard where they belong.

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childslibrarian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 06:42 PM
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7. Just donated--You are what I call a Patriot
Thank you.
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 07:12 PM
Response to Reply #7
15. Thank you too! Now this should give you a chuckle
Edited on Thu Apr-22-04 07:13 PM by BevHarris
Actually, as so many have found when they travel and meet up face to face, this country is great. We have great, wonderful people everywhere.

Just not in the White House.

Look the energy and integrity and creativity out there is just amazing.

Now, last night I flew from San Francisco to Las Vegas, arrived in Cleveland 6 a.m., immediately rented a car and went to Canton for the True Majority / Ruckus Society / Diebold stockholders event, then had meetings all day. I'm pooped, and will sign off shortly to get some sleep. But I want to describe for you how cool True Majority and the Ruckus Society are.

Picture it: Diebold stockholders meeting. Outside, there are three giant red weather balloons, each with a human strapped below it in a parachute harness. These folks did a march of patriots up and over a lengthy grassy knoll -- kind of bouncing, floating and skipping along under their weather balloons. (The power lines were interesting. Yikes. Helium and power lines don't mix, but it was well organized and done safely). When we all marched up the hill, the crowd was chanting. In front of it was a giant voting machine spewing smoke and failing to count votes.

As the balloon people arrived, they stretched a gigantic net between them, so that those attending the Diebold stockholders meeting saw this megabanner: Diebold: Draining the Life out of Democracy.

Cameras. Local TV. Then two suits show up with legal documents. I thought, uh-oh, is this my fourth cease and desist? But no, these were a lawyer and his client, a Mexican businessman who is suing Diebold for ripping him off. They joined the party.

Folks, I want you to march on over to BlackBoxVoting.org and join the clean up crew. No, now it doesn't look like we'll be recruiting 2,004 members of the Crew to monitor, work as election judges and poll workers, contact the media, participate in the attorney hotline and join the computer problem reporting hotline.

Now it looks like we're gonna have 20,004 volunteers.

Let's go make this happen. Except I have to go to bed.

Bev
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 07:31 PM
Response to Reply #15
22. sleep tight!
you earned it! I am donating now! :)
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 06:51 PM
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9. Bev, you rule! Keep up the good work!
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Room101 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 06:52 PM
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10. Kick- I just made a Blackboxvoting.org bumper poster -nt
.
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 07:01 PM
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11. This story is beyond awesome! This is ......well
:pals: Bev, you're incredible! That's all I can say. This is starting to produce some really solid -- really tangible results. You've been wonderful. There aren't enough words to convey the thanks I feel for what you've done.

And big thanks to Jim March in all of this, and to all the folks who have put the rubber to the road to get so far. You're an inspiration to all of us.

We've been having BBV threads around here all day, and we couldn't wait until you checked in with "the scoop". Thanks for taking the time to post....it seems like you're fanned out all across the country at one time.

O8)Prayers for your continued safety and success!O8)


:kick::kick::kick::kick::kick:
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 07:02 PM
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12. Unbelievable, but TRUE! We'll FIGHT in Ohio, Bev!!!
That much I promise you...
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ShaneGR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 07:02 PM
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13. Since I'm from Ohio, I'll chime in about the State Senators
Republican controlled, but fragmented with different factions all competing for who gets to have the most power. Dems have ZERO power, although you will find STRONG allies in the Northern Counties and almost ALL of the city governments.

It is true, the state repubs hate spending money for anything but the sweetest of pork projects, and they are under tremendous pressure to cut budget. They've targeted higher education here in a supreme way. Did you know Ohio has the 4th most expensive state university tuition now? Students can expect to pay in upwards of 25,000 for a STATE Bachelors Degree here.

I should know, I payed for one.
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Failure Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 07:06 PM
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14. I've been INSIDE the den of thieves...O'Dell's house,
Ask me anything.
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yowzayowzayowza Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 07:16 PM
Response to Reply #14
17. What's...
that smell?
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 07:14 PM
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16. Where do I send my money?


Bev, you are just toooo much!

The address for sending donations is....?


Thanks for helping us to ROCK this VOTE in '04 !!!!!


:yourock:
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 07:19 PM
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18. Remember Everyone
If you can afford to do so...give to my campaign as well. I am working hard to protect your vote in Washington.

Campaigns are not cheap. :( I hate the fact it is a money thing.
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toddzilla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 07:33 PM
Response to Reply #18
23. sent you a fiver..
Edited on Thu Apr-22-04 07:37 PM by toddzilla
:bounce:

it's a good thing i've never hit the lottery.. i'd be broke in a week.
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 07:24 PM
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19. Here
Edited on Thu Apr-22-04 07:25 PM by BevHarris
http://www.blackboxvoting.org hit the paypal button.
Address:

Bev Harris
330 SW 43rd St PMB K547
Renton WA 98055

And absolutely: http://www.andystephenson.com
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ParanoidPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 07:27 PM
Response to Reply #16
21. The contact info is listed at her web site.....
Edited on Thu Apr-22-04 07:29 PM by ParanoidPat
Beat me to it! :)

To get your local library to order Black Box Voting, Ballot Tampering in the 21st Century give them this info....

Talion Publishing
Bookstore & Library Edition:
ISBN 1-890916-90-0
$19.95
To order from Bev Harris:
Call 425-228-7131
e-mail talion@ix.netcom.com
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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 07:34 PM
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24. Ohio must be next. Ohio is the state to win and * will steal it with....
Diebold.

Down with Diebold!

:argh:
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 07:49 PM
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27. Would bush win Ohio, anyway? With or without Diebold?
I'd been thinking that Ohio was heavily repuke territory. I hope I'm wrong about that.

Florida, on the other hand, would likely go to Kerry (and other Dem's offices) if the voting machine fiasco was corrected. Someone needs to get outside help for Floridians on getting their voting straightened out, since their Congress just gave carte blanche to computerized voting machines, and killed a paper trail. Man! Anywhere Bushes rule, corruption rules.

At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if Georgia would go Dem also, given an accurate vote. I've been in rural Georgia working now for a couple of months, and there just doesn't seem to be hardly ANY support for bush around here.

I also know that North Carolina (home State) is starting to get really sick of bush, in a lot of areas. Old-time died-in-the-wool repukes have said they'll stay home rather than vote for bush. North Carolina has taken a hit on manufacturing, IT, and now military -- boys coming home in boxes wrapped in the flag. Our election in 2002 was really strange: I'll still never believe that Elizabeth Dole really won that Senate race.

We've been working on the North Carolina elections office and the general assembly to keep Diebold (and others) at bay until more is known.

:kick:


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LiberalCat Donating Member (257 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 08:03 PM
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29. Ohio is a mix of dems and repukes
Ohio is heavily democratic in the northeast area: Cleveland where Kucinich is from and Youngstown areas. Ohio is heavily repuke in the southwest, especially Cincinnati.

Former Democratic Senator John Glenn is from Ohio.

Some people believe Gore would have won Ohio if he had not given up on it in the last months before the 2000 election.

Ohio was close last time and Diebold could tip the scales, unless Bush is shown for what he is before the next election.
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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 07:38 PM
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25. I just sent some money. Not much but I hope it helps. We can never
be grateful enough to you. I have been following you almost since you started and admire you greatly.
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toddzilla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 07:38 PM
Response to Reply #25
26. think if everyone here sent a buck..
it's all it takes to keep it going.

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toddzilla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 07:49 PM
Response to Reply #26
28. kick
this is good news..

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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 08:15 PM
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30. once again, Bev . . . outstanding work!!! . . .
thank you SO much for all you've done and are doing to return our voting process to US . . . if they ever give a Nobel Prize for good citizenship, you'd be at the top of the list . . . :hug:
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 08:16 PM
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31. once again, Bev . . . outstanding work!!! . . .
thank you SO much for all you've done and are doing to return our voting process to US . . . if they ever give a Nobel Prize for good citizenship, you'd be at the top of the list . . . :hug:
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LynzM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 08:59 PM
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32. Bev, you rock, great news!!!
I've been reading BBV threads all day! Called my Senators and Rep, in support of S.1980 and HR2239, changed my sig to ask other people to, posted it on other boards, and am planning to email my entire address list to ask them to stand up and make sure their votes get counted! You are such an inspiration, and a true patriot. Thank you for what you have done, and continue to do, on behalf of this country and its citizens. Now get some sleep! :hug:
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revcarol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 09:11 PM
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33. The League of Pissed Off Voters...
GOTTA LOVE IT!!

NPR even reported on California, right after they trashed Kerry.
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revcarol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 09:23 PM
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34. Pls. give details of stockholder mtg.
and Jeff's questions.

Can we get a mass exodus of stockholders who want to get out while the getting's still possible? Avoiding another Enron, built on lies and deceptions?
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ParanoidPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 10:18 PM
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35. A kick for the night owls!
:kick:
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ACK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 10:33 PM
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36. I was a softare configuration manager and
I worked in ISO 9000 house.

For awhile so Bev if you need any time figures on source code retrieval and such PM me.

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RedEagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 11:58 AM
Response to Reply #36
48. Since Bev's on the road
ACK, email your offer of help to Bev: bevharrismail@aol.com

That'll help make sure your generous offer doesn't get lost on DU
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 11:29 PM
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37. It was mentioned at our Kerry Meetup tonight.
People are paying attention.


Good job.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 11:57 PM
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38. that is an incredible report
all you folks did an amazing job of exposing the truth, quite a remarkable story.
Thanks for the excellent report. Go get 'em in Ohio!

:yourock:
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RedEagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 12:10 AM
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39. Help Ohio vote right
Way to go!
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ParanoidPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 12:44 AM
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40. The story has been Slashdoted!
+--------------------------------------------------------------------+
| California Grills Diebold Over E-Voting Foul-Ups |
| from the because-who-cares-if-it's-right dept. |
| posted by michael on Thursday April 22, @12:45 (usa) |
| http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/04/22/1535214 |
+--------------------------------------------------------------------+

orthogonal writes "Electronic voting machine producer <0>Diebold admitted today that 'thousands' of voters were turned away from the polls during the Super Tuesday Presidential Primary because of flaws in Diebold's machines. Diebold Election Services Inc. president Bob Urosevich said 'We were caught', and answered 'yes' when asked 'Weren't actually disenfranchised?' Today, California officials may recommend decertifying some or all of Dielbold's machines for the November General Election." Reader TargetBoy adds: "Diebold <1>knowingly used uncertified software in California elections. Especially interesting is the comment that, 'The law firm's memos reflect a corporate defense firm on a $500,000-a-month campaign to protect Diebold.' Wonder how much it would cost to just fix the problems?" Apparently India is having evoting problems of its own: <2>purple writes "The world's largest democracy is in the midst of a 4-month election marathon. Except this time around the whole thing is run electronically. And, surprise surprise, things seem to not be working perfectly. <3>Some polling booths have been ordered to re-poll due to malfunctions in the electronic voting machines. In another article, <4>191 voting booths were ordered to re-poll. <5>Other polling locations seem to be operating on voter lists from 2001. I suppose the good news is that these errors were caught before they could have really screwed things up."

Discuss this story at:
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=04/04/22/1535214

Links:
0. http://www.trivalleyherald.com/Stories/0,1413,86~10669~2100333,00.html
1. http://www.oaklandtribune.com/Stories/0,1413,82%257E1865%257E2095811,00.html
2. mailto:mccarthy@dirtyredcommie.com
3. http://www.newkerala.com/news-daily/news/features.php?action=fullnews&id=12937
4. http://www.newkerala.com/news-daily/news/features.php?action=fullnews&id=13011
5. http://www.newkerala.com/news-daily/news/features.php?action=fullnews&showcomments=1&id=12864
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 01:40 AM
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41. Read, parsed and disseminated...
Hi Bev,

http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0404/S00199.htm

I figure that this news is worth getting out there. You folks here are privileged to get an inside view on all this... and more people ought to get to share the experience... this is clearly now a wave that is unstoppable.

The version I have posted includes links to selected memos...

Scroll half way down the Scoop version of Bev's post... these are the ones that Andy released yesterday in a zip file in another thread here...


Alameda County Agreement

Atty fees for 2 months

California Elections Code--Countinq of Vo

Chart CA Desi COntracts

Chart of DESI certified systems 1.18.18 r

D McMillian to M Carrel Feb 2004

Discussion RE Windows CE

Equip list in CA Diebold COunties

Fed Quals and NASED Number

Issues Re CA SOS investigation

Memo Analyzing Alameda Contract

Q and A good stuff

SLO Investigation Notes

Scott Shaw to D McMillian

Scott Shaw to David McMillian

PLEASE NOTE – These links were not included in Bev Harris's post.]


Kiakaha
Al
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ParanoidPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 01:50 AM
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42. You da man Al!
Thanks! :)
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 01:54 AM
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43. high fives.....
This really is kinda amazing....
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 02:14 AM
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45. What the tidal wave that is crashing on Diebold...
or the Docs? Personally I think both are really amazing. They came just in time too...That is what is really amazing! :evilgrin:
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hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 01:58 AM
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44. The James Dunn story is especially telling...
The techs were told not to tell what they were doing, and not to answer questions.

These techs were hired by temp agencies.

Many thanks to everyone who is working for clean elections.

I still say I'm going to see these electronic voting machines for sale as junk pretty soon now, and I'll certainly be picking one up as a souvenir.

Or perhaps we could still put these machines to honest use printing paper ballots for disabled people, leaving the rest of us to vote with simple pen and paper. But I don't think we could trust Diebold and other dishonest contractors to do this right.

The use of temporary workers in elections who are "told not to tell what they were doing, and not to answer questions is a big concern of mine, and it is not confined to the electronic voting machine business. In many places plain paper ballots are being handled by contractors who may not be honest.

But that's an issue for another day...

I would have very much enjoyed being in Sacramento Wednesday, there were many good people there rocking the house. Wow.
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 02:39 AM
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46. "Or perhaps we could still put these machines
to honest use printing paper ballots for disabled people..."

Perhaps you meant blind people? Why would disabled people need the machines?
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hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 11:24 AM
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47. Not only blind people...
A wide variety of people find "one click" voting using a simple audio or visual interface very helpful.
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RedEagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 12:05 PM
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49. Disclosure from more than voting industry insiders
SO was on a plane from Las Vegas yesterday (Bev, you guys were probably in town at the same time) and had a discussion with a gent who informed him there was lots of identity theft and other kinds of theft in online transactions, including banking. They just keep that lid on tight, because they don't want the general public to know about it.

An expose on that would really add fuel to the "vapor ballot fire."

Even with paper receipts in banking, sounds like there are lots of screw ups too. Recoverable, maybe. But the larger picture is that you can't put full trust and faith in computerized systems.
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RedEagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 01:49 PM
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50. Kick!
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