Rumsfeld Hearing 5/6/04 Thread 5

[proud patriot]

here's thread 1

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&...

Thread 2
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=1548432&mesg_id=1548432&page=

thread 3
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=1548776&mesg_id=1548776

thread 4
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=1548969&mesg_id=1548969

[Wind Dancer]

1. Sessions is full of shit

[SayitAintSo]

3. No shit .... puke boot licking right off the bat ...

:puke:

[NYBlackCat]

4. Sessions

He brings up that bounty issue! Unbelievable! "Terrorists hate you so you must be doing a good job!" Wow.

[northernsoul]

6. Sessions stinks worse than 3 day floater

yeesh! I feel sorry for all you 'BamaDUers who have to endure the stench coming off of this character.

[r_u_stuck2]

It's so strong

The stinch is so strong we smell it over here in NorthWest Florida.

[Wind Dancer]

7. I am going to vomit

[RandomKoolzip]

9. Kissin Rummy's ass.....

"support the troops, give e'm credit...." Disgusting.


No truth can come of this hearing; it's all insiders pretending to be prosecutors.

[Wind Dancer]

18. This hearing is becoming a joke

Rightwingers usual agenda trying to justify the war criminals

[myrna minx]

2. Sessions: "We have complainers in the Congress..."

What a fucking punk.

[lovedems]

10. It's more then just the congress you idiot.

Oh yeah, I forgot repubs. don't care about the rest of the world.

Oops, my bad.

[FreakinDJ]

17. Exactly why we should Email our lawmakers

Asking for Rumsfeld to step down.

Pretty hard to call them complainers when they have 10s of 1000s of letters backing them up

[BinkieGirl]

19. And apparently we also have idiots....

Thanks for showcasing the former AND the latter all at once, Sessions!

Isn't complaining about complainers making you one of the complainers?

[BinkieGirl]

26. Reed: "This is disaster"

That's a quotable quote. Short. To the Point. Accurate.

[frank frankly]

that was amazing even among his insanity

scary fucker

[xchrom]

5. i've come to think lieberman is racist

or has some nationalistic bug infecting his brain.
he's bizarre.

[LittleApple81]

22. I am sorry, but he wants to protect Israel at all costs. if we leave

the mess in Iraq (which, one of the reasons we had to invade was to protect Israel) then it would be bad for that country.

[JohnOneillsMemory]

32. Joe is a PNAC Zionist. That explains everything. Dems have this disease

too.

Beware the blind accolades for Kerry because he ain't Bush*

[aquart]

51. The war in Iraq does not protect Israel in any way.

And thank you for this personal revelation.

[readmylips]

Lieberman supports anything and everything...

that's for Sharon and Israel....America is last on Lieberman's mind. Senator Susan Collins on....hope she asks right question..so far too much talk and no question.

[boobooday]

8. Sessions is an idiot!

Bunch of big-mouthed hypocrites.



http://www.wgoeshome.com

[proud patriot]

11. Sessions can kiss my Patriotic Liberal ASS

:mad:

[Flubadubya]

12. Sessions complains about "other members of congress"....

who whine and complain too much. Probably a reference to Byrd, Kennedy, and the like. Sessions isn't worthy of holding either of those Senator's bagged excrement. Sessions really sucks big time. UGH!!!!

[buddhamama]

13. Sessions is making me ill

:puke:

[Emboldened Chimp]

14. Sessions is literally guiding Meyer's answer...

truly sickening.

[Postman]

15. Myers, Rumsfeld should both resign or be fired.

they are endangering troops in Iraq.

[SuffragetteSal]

30. "Thank you for your servicve"

I think that is a clue that Rummy is going out and soon...

[nadinbrzezinski]

16. Administrative Actions? War Crimes you get a free get

out of jail card

[trof]

20. My Carnac prediction was too accurate.

What a suck up.

[Fridays Child]

21. Complainers, huh? Well, Mr. Sessions...

...when US soldiers in Iraq and around the world are attacked as a result of these abuses, we'll send you to break the news to their loved ones. Remember to warn them not to be complainers.

[lovedems]

23. Is Sessions going to leave thinking "Damn, I asked some good questions!"

He should be embarrassed. He isn't trying to get to the bottom of this. Neither was Joe. They are just helping the administration cover their tracks.

[bobbieinok]

24. giving Rum chance to show chart and defend self

[Solly Mack]

25. Could he spoon feed Meyers any more?

Good gravy....Sessions is such a puddinghead

[nadinbrzezinski]

27. Akaka will not hold his tongue, WATCH

Oh he is from Hawaii

on edit major generals do not make strategic policy.

Folks watch Rummy get angry....

He is just gentler than Kennedy

[The empressof all]

28. Sessions is an embarrassment

What is Alabama thinking -with having this fool represent them.

[trof]

37. He is BEYOND an embarrassment to me. He SHAMES me.

[The empressof all]

guaranteed

Fox will have him all over tonight

[proud patriot]

29. Reed up now asking questions

"this is a disaster"

[maddezmom]

34. asking about MG Miller

and making intelligence recommendation for Iraq

[maddezmom]

39. so did Sanchez approve of the recommendation of having MP involved

in the interrogation?

Ah no says Cambone

Rummy interrupts and doesn't give a clear answer.

[catmandu57]

52. Senate home page is down

I was going to email these idiots and chew them out, fortunately, for them I can't get there, it'll give me more time to compose myself, then let them have it.
FUCK YOU SESSIONS, LIEBERMAN, ALLARD, FUCK ALL YOU STUPID FUCKWADS!!!!

[Postman]

31. Is Senator McCain a "complainer" to Sen. Sessions??

IMHO Sessions is shirking his oversight duty as a member of Congress

[nadinbrzezinski]

36. Yes, he is a complainer

so is Akaka, Akaka is now pressing Tambon, about softening
prisoners... miller is this his own policy, no consultation to the
chain and civilian oversight... people are facing IMT proceedings...

[Solly Mack]

uh, cRummy now "I don't recall"..blah blah blah

to the simple yer or no question..."did you approve of the policy (at the prison) that would encourage or enable....(abuse)?"

[Solly Mack]

38. I'm officially in love with Jack Reed

..

[0007]

33. Rummy is getting a little feisty with Read

[Wind Dancer]

35. This is hard to watch

[berner59]

The y need more time...

6 minutes is not enough to get into it... Why is Collins speaking so slow?? geez....

[JohnOneillsMemory]

40. "MPs enabling interrogation was a Miller 'recommendation' not policy."

Parsing parsing parsing.

Yes. US military actions are a web of suggestions.

fuckers.

[maddezmom]

47. bet it was sanctioned by Sanchez n/t

[Postman]

because to write it down in policy would be hard proof of war crimes...

you think they didn't know what they were doing?

[BinkieGirl]

41. Susan Collins up...

Her voice is shaking like crazy

[StephNW4Clark]

43. who's she?

[Emboldened Chimp]

59. A decent Republican

of the old school, fiscal conservative kind. She's one of the few with some degree of integrity.

[r_u_stuck2]

50. She will make a speech

And say absolutely nothing

[frank frankly]

42. I think Rummy is making a mistake here.

He is trying to explain who made the changes to procedure.

What in the world will Collins be like?

[nadinbrzezinski]

56. He has made many mistakes

his first mistake a modified Nuremberg defense

[frank frankly]

if you add up what Rummy has admitted to, does it cover him?

or does it nail him?

[0007]

44. Susan Collins sounds justlike Edith from the Archie Bunker show

[BinkieGirl]

53. Heee n/t

[JohnOneillsMemory]

55. Yup. "Aaaaarchie....this is .....wrooooonggg."

[JohnOneillsMemory]

64. She asked why this wasn't exposed early to show how virtuous the US is.

Nobody but nobody is saying the obvious.

Fallujah was blowing up in their faces and the whole PNAC plan for world domination was becoming a bloody farce.

[No2W2004]

45. What does

terrorism have to do with Iraqi prisoners??? Rummy keeps saying that Iraqi prisoners = terrorist!

[TahitiNut]

46. Rumsfeld just "justified" TORTURE!

He defended the abuse of prisoners by guards for the purpose of interrogations, interrogations conducted by people NOT SUBJECT TO UCMJ OR Geneva Conventions: OUTLAWS!

[Solly Mack]

60. Yep. That's exactly what he said

he linked torture as a desirable means to achieve information...based on the "subject"..ie, the Iraqis.

[myrna minx]

48. This is making me sooo angry.

I cannot listen anymore. I can HEAR the ass smooching form here, and i'm in Minnesota. I think I'll have some tea.

[nadinbrzezinski]

49. Collins is now kissing ass

after rummy got a tongue lash, ever so gently from Akaka... she makes me sick

Free clue Senator, that is to a point, who we are... what we have become, due to this breakdown in command

[SayitAintSo]

54. Why is this woman talking in S L O W M O T I O N ......

Glad she's a repig ... hate to have her on our side ....


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[Fridays Child]

57. Does Susan Collins drink?

[proud patriot]

I don't know but Rummy said "I don't know how to answer your question"

LOL....Come on Rummy she spoke slow enough and enuciated
quite clearly ...LOL

[MaineDem]

58. Susie is embarrassing!

I'm so very sorry she's my Senator.

Maybe she'll show some intelligence here.

[Emboldened Chimp]

62. She did smack him with the press release

[SayitAintSo]

72. Hello ... She sounds like a valley girl ....

I can't listen to her...

[bobbieinok]

80. she looks so innocent and is setting him up

instead of complaining about pictures going public, why didn't you just come out publicly and say what you were doing?????

[ronnykmarshall]

61. Protestors pictures

[nadinbrzezinski]

66. Again thank to them

the world saw that

[Fridays Child]

69. The Internet rocks! Thanks, ronny!

:thumbsup:

[lovedems]

82. That was beautiful and that took some courage.

I don't know that I would have the guts to stand up during a senate hearing and start yelling that stuff.

That was so excellent.

[Wind Dancer]

63. Outraged here

This is BS, disgusting beyond belief.

[Caution]

senator from maine just announced the end of rummy's career

she basically asked him why he personally didnt come forward. his whole demeanor changed because he knows the party has given up on him. he's done.

[proud patriot]

Yes she did ..Wow

"why did you ask for CBS to delay release of the photos
instead of coming forward and telling the world of your
determination to stop this abuse ?"

Wholly Cow :wow:

[indigo32]

65. Is it just me or is his voice softer than normal

he is feeling the heat. I can't see the pics... but thats just the sense I get.

[nadinbrzezinski]

71. And this is not only him

even the men in uniform, they look nervous

By the way... Collins's voice is breaking... she is shocked.

Her speech at the begining nothwithstanding, Rummy is toast

[SayitAintSo]

75. He was yelling just a minute ago as he closed with Collins ....

He's going to blow it soon ....

[0007]

81. I think Rummy is gaining momentum, but that's just me

[Postman]

67. it is the photographs fault....

it is true that the visuals made this that much more incendiary. NOW DO YOU KNOW WHY WE DON'T SEE THE WAR ON TELEVISION?????

Support for the war would collapse....

[not systems]

68. His main complaint is that this stuff was leaked to the press.

:puke:

[SuffragetteSal]

Yeah for the internet and digital cameras!

It is the 21st Century Rummy...get used to it...you can't hide war atrocities any longer...and about time....

[No2W2004]

70. Rummy didn't realize

the abuse was that bad till he saw the pictures???

it was reported, but it didn't seem that bad till he saw the pictures??

Wow, she brings up the delay from CBS

[spotbird]

73. Rummy is the real victim!

Someone committed a crime and released secret documents. He was only interested in protecting the accused rights!

Now it is all so clear, poor Rummy.

He is getting angry and arrogant again, how many more questioners left?

[BinkieGirl]

74. Collins...

I don't think she's kissing ass.....she's telling him they screwed up for not disclosing the problems.....

"I would have been better if you had come forward and told the world of these pictures of your determination...deterimination I know you have to set matters right and to hold those responsible accountable..."

She's just questioning him in a sort of unthreatening way. She's kissing ass FAR less than some of the Repukes who have preceeded her.

[spotbird]

87. I agree, she does seem furious.

This is her party and how can she defend it without looking like a shill?

[JHB]

95. FAR less than a certain DINO, certainly...

[Richardo]

76. Rummy: The messengers are the problem...

Illegal, running around with digital cameras...

[BinkieGirl]

83. Which is clearly saying....

I'm sorry WE GOT CAUGHT. How DARE they let the truth out!

[swag]

Yeah, that was weird: blaming the DIGITAL CAMERAS!

I hope there's another round of questioning and that the questioners get down to business. Rumsfeld is on the verge of losing his nut there.

[HereSince1628]

77. Known knowns should be unknown knowns to protect justice...

And revealling unknown knowns could prove occupation resistance was justified, thus undermining American morale to crush Sadr, etc, etc.

Then again Unknown unknowns must wait for the final report...of which Rummy will read the executive summary.

I am going to need a bath more than a drink at the end of this.

[PaDUer]

Rummy PO'd about digital cameras

said they took the pix illegally and sent them to the press..lolol..

[LittleApple81]

88. HE WANTS MORE SECRECY AND ELIMINATE ANY REGULATIONS

THAT smack of civilian life or the law.

[No2W2004]

78. constraints??

Was Rummy complaining that they have to operate under "peace time constraints during war time?"

[Solly Mack]

79. Excuse me? How dare people run around with digital cameras

taking pictures of torture!!..Imagine such behavior in a free society...well, let's just change that right now!

Damn...cRummy has lost his fucking mind.

[nadinbrzezinski]

86. Truly a doctor strangelove moment

really

[Fridays Child]

84. Rummy: The problem is not the abuse. The problem is the media.

Basically, that's what he just said.

[LittleApple81]

94. And also the constraints of the law. According to him, those

pesky things are just a bother and cause hearing like this.

[Richardo]

85. FIRE THE CONTRACTORS!! That is an abomination...

CACI and Titan need to lose their $billion contracts. THAT would send a message.

[nadinbrzezinski]

91. Akaka is reeling them in

[Emboldened Chimp]

89. Wait, CBS had the pics before the Pentagon..

but Gen. Smith saw them before anybody? :wtf:

Anyone else catch that?

[maddezmom]

90. Civilian contractors are not in supervisory role?

did I hear that right....but who supervises them? Did anyone answer yet?

[bobbieinok]

92. question about contractors - answer 'not supervising'

still no answer as to who is responsible for their actions???

[proud patriot]

93. please continue in thread 6 here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1549474