Who leaked the Taguba report to the press?

[AlCzervik]

Who is it in the pentagon that wants Rumsfeld out?

[11cents]

1. Taguba could have leaked it himself

...directly, or indirectly through a staffer.

[laura888]

2. excellent question!

anyone know?

[Kukesa]

9. Here's the report if you want to read it.

No, I don't know who leaked it, but "The Smoking Gun" has it:

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0505041torture1.html

It's 53 pages, a PDF file, but worth at least a glance.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

3. who leaked the pictures is more the issue

Without those this would have had far less impact.

[AlCzervik]

4. Sy Hersh said he has more pictures

than what's been shown and it looks like the Taguba report was leaked to him, maybe the disk of pictures came along with it.

[ender]

7. the pictures...

were uploaded to a porn site.

[thecrow]

12. Runmmy kept mentioning this guy Pfc. Darby

and saying it was Darby who reported the abuse.

My question is, if it took a Pfc. to report the abuse, where was the disconnect in the chain of command? That was my major question that came out of hours of watching this.
(Well, actually I kept waiting for God to come down through the ceiling and say <ENOUGH OF THIS!!!> and make their heads all explode...but no. *sigh*

That the abuses took place between 2200 and 0400 as Myers and the other military guys were saying, had very little meaning to me.
What, is the US military not on duty between those hours?

WTF?WTF?WTF?WTF?WTF?WTF?WTF?WTF?WTF?WTF?WTF?WTF?WTF?WTF?WTF?WTF?WTF?WTF?WTF?WTF?WTF?WTF?WTF?WTF?WTF?WTF?WTF?WTF?WTF?WTF?WTF?WTF?WTF?WTF?WTF?WTF?WTF?WTF?WTF?WTF?WTF?WTF?WTF?WTF?WTF?WTF?WTF?WTF?WTF?WTF?WTF?

[Gin]

13. read the report...it mentions the ones who refused to do what MI told them

and who reported the situation to higher ups...all the lower level troops got court martials...all the officers got reprimands...the CACI folks lost their jobs..and security clearances..one didn't have a security clearance..MI was in control...interesting read.

[lastknowngood]

5. The whole thing is being slowly controlled by the reichwing nazis

running the criminal administration it solidifies their base and keeps peoples attention away from the marines loss in Iraq. Remember these people destroy or suicideed anyone who gets in their way so you can bet they are in complete control. The other pictures and videotapes will be easing into the press over this weekend most likely and by Monday faux, CNN, MSNBC and the rest of the propaganda ministry will have moved on to the Michael Jackson case again.

[NashVegas]

6. That's What I Want to Know!

I can't decide if I think someone's gunning for Rummy and Bush, or, if the fall-out is properly pointed towards the CIA (think: Plame investigation) is the White House's way of going after Tenet.

There're a lot of people trying to lay the blame at the CIA's door.

[anarchy1999]

8. Round 3, coming Up! What is next?

n/t

[calimary]

10. Here's a letter I emailed to the Washington Post:

Gentlepeople:

I noted with some shrieking (as a retired reporter myself) the numerous times Donald Rumsfeld stated that these prisoner abuse issues were "released to the world" in mid January, and "released to the world" again in March. His inference, obviously, was to chastise those Senate panelists who questioned why the DOD left them out of the loop.

I'd put it to you folks at the Washington Post: YOU were part of that world at that time. YOU were around when the first investigations were made public - "released to the world." WHERE THE HECK WERE YOU? WHERE WAS THE WASHINGTON POST????? Or were your reporters just afraid for their mortgage payments and their kids in private school - to write anything critical of this war or this White House??????

Honest to Pete! That the Washington Post of Watergate fame (which inspired me in the mid '70's as a college kid to pursue journalism as a 25-year career) would have forsaken its duty as a watchdog for democracy SO egregiously - just leaves me heartsick. And ashamed of the profession from which I retired.

Gross dereliction of duty applies not only to the military here, but also to your reporters, editors, and supervisors. And, for that matter, to the reporters, editors, and supervisors at EVERY OTHER major newspaper, network and cable news outlet in our land.


I sent this to [e-mail] - after calling their comment line to complain - (202) 334 - 7582, (did the same to CNN, emailed MSNBC similarly)

Dang! It's supposed to be ombudsman... somehow the "o" gets left off the email address.

[TahitiNut]

11. In order to post an email address on DU that begins with certain ...

... characters ("o" is one of them), you must check the box in front of "Check if you DO NOT wish to use emotion icons in your message" either when you post or when you edit your post.

Then you'll see:
"I sent this to [e-mail] - after calling their comment line to complain - (202) 334 - 7582, (did the same to CNN, emailed MSNBC similarly)"

See?

(It's about how the forum software parses your post.)

[calimary]

14. aHA! I did not know that, which figures because, when it comes to

anything computer-eze, I know about as much as bush knows about ANYTHING. D'OH!!!

Thanks for this! I will try to be more alert about it.

[anarchy1999]

15. Deserves a kick to the top!

n/t

[UTUSN]

16. Scooter? (Not from the Pentagon) n/t

[spanone]

17. CIA?

[frank frankly]

18. That is the question. I hope it was the CIA.

I hope they have seen enough of BushCo.

But that is the big question.

[Unknown Known]

19. "...this is a 'holy grail' issue for the CIA."

'Lives are at stake. Outing someone like this is a "holy grail" issue for the CIA,' said Mel Goodman, a former senior CIA analyst.

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/print/0,3858,4767618-102274,00.html

That pretty much says it for me.

Joe Wilson was all over TV last week and still is stating the same thing over and over and quoting GHWB that whoever would expose an agent is the "most insidious of traitors."

However, I do believe this is probably a two-front assault. I told people to remember this article because when whatever happens, it will help one to understand where it came from. I was pretty confident that what Rummy did at the Pentagon, especially with respect to JCS, would come back to bite him.

Others are far more pessimistic. "Things are more fouled up (at the Pentagon) than I've ever seen them," said one former defense official sympathetic to Rumsfeld.

"The depth of disaffection is really quite striking," added a defense consultant. "I think Rumsfeld is courting a rebellion."

Rumsfeld's primary objective in reasserting civilian control over the Pentagon has been in reining in the Joint Staff, an umbrella organization of about 1,200 personnel, drawn from all four services, that is crucial in overseeing daily military activities worldwide.

The staff works for the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. But Rumsfeld has made it clear that in his Pentagon, the chairman works for him.

People who have dealt with him over the last two years said Rumsfeld saw the Joint Staff as sometimes unresponsive to civilian leadership. He wasn't alone, recalled one officer at the Pentagon, who said Joint Staff officers sometimes seemed to think that "the suits don't need to know this."

Under Rumsfeld, the civilians are no longer cut out.

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/1021-02.htm

[chookie]

20. Small irony about photo leaker

The young man who did the right thing when these photos came to him on a CD is from Somerset CO PA (the same county Flight 93 went down in BTW).

While Lynndie and Graner's families are telling the world what sweet innocent little lambs they are, a friend of the photo leaker was quoted in the Pittsburgh Post Gazette today as saying, "Gee, I'm kinda surprised he did such a thing. He didn't seem like the kind of guy. He used to enjoy going around and busting things up." Gotta love it.

The young man himself says of his actions "I know this stuff was wrong. Period."

[librechik]

21. "Cpl Graner gave the CD to SPC Darby..."

from the Hersh article:

"A fifty-three-page report, obtained by The New Yorker, written by Major General Antonio M. Taguba and not meant for public release, was completed in late February."

whoever it was leaked it to Hersh, who had been working on the story since last year.

more:


"The abuses became public because of the outrage of Specialist Joseph M. Darby, an M.P. whose role emerged during the Article 32 hearing against Chip Frederick. A government witness, Special Agent Scott Bobeck, who is a member of the Army’s Criminal Investigation Division, or C.I.D., told the court, according to an abridged transcript made available to me, “The investigation started after SPC Darby . . . got a CD from CPL Graner. . . . He came across pictures of naked detainees.” Bobeck said that Darby had “initially put an anonymous letter under our door, then he later came forward and gave a sworn statement. He felt very bad about it and thought it was very wrong.”

http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?040510fa_fact

[Comadreja]

22. Or just another attempt to provoke the Arabs...

...into another attack on the US, legitimizing martial law and cancelling the election? Nothing happens by chance with this pack of lying hyenas. Bush and Sharon obviously were trying for this with their mutual jerk-off on stealing Palestine. Sharon ordered the craven extra-judicial executions of Hamas leaders, practically throwing the resulting blood and gore in the faces of Arabs and chortling with fellow lickspittle Likud ghouls about what a grand thing they had done.

"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience. Our problem is that numbers of people all over the world have obeyed the dictates of the leaders of their government and have gone to war, and millions have been killed because of this obedience. . . Our problem is that people are obedient all over the world in the face of poverty and starvation and stupidity, and war, and cruelty" : Howard Zinn