Matalin: It would be irresponsible to fire DefSec in middle of 2 wars->

[Failure]

is she admitting that the war in iraq is not part of the war on terror?

whatchu think?


failure.

[Failure]

1. She answered my question...she spoke of them as two separate wars..

so is she lying or is it shrubby?

[leesa]

28. Did you honestly think there was such a thing as a war on terror???

How could there be?

[Failure]

48. no it was really a rhetorical question....nt

[immoderate]

43. We should fire him when it gets to FIVE wars?

--IMM

[Skittles]

2. what do I think?

I think she is a f***ing Bush Whore.

[Wickerman]

3. It also belies the "He is winner of two wars" sec of defline

They are rambling and off message - we need to do the world a favor and put them down.

[RC]

4. Fire the SOB

He IS one of the people responsible for this illegal invasion in the first place. Then arrest him for war crimes.

[Solly Mack]

5. No, it was irresponsible to start 2 wars

and some fool made the call...so some fool should own up to it and do the correct thing.

and yes, if it's 2 wars then it can't be the all encompassing "war on terror" ..which implies it's all one war..not separate wars

[Failure]

8. Bush is the one who says Iraq is the central battle in the

war on terror...Matalin says they're two separate wars...they say we don't have a message...they don't know which end's up.


failure.

[Solly Mack]

15. Sadly, they don't know which end is up...you're correct

they only know how to change their talking points to fit their crimes..

[TankLV]

41. more like - "they only know how to change their talking points to fit the

the moment".

They don't even listen to what they say from moment to moment anymore.

It's white - it's black the next moment.

And the sheeple eat it all up.

[Failure]

6. Matalin: If Iraq is the question, Kerry's not the answer...

:puke: :puke:

[rocktivity]

7. Not if he were replaced with someone competent

From day one, I wondered why Colin didn't get the job. I figured the GOP couldn't stand the thought of a black person commanding the entire military. But it's clear now that they had an agenda that they feared Colin might have interfered with.

:headbang:
rocknation

[Failure]

9. Powell is a token, a billboard...cover. meaningless...nt

[charlie]

19. It was too soon

If the SecDef candidate is former military, 10 years must have elapsed from his/her retirement before eligibility. Not that it mattered, Powell wasn't getting the job anyway, not when there were deranged neocons on tap.

[Carolina]

31. Powell is shit

He's in on the whole thing and has been since the 1980s. Don't be fooled, read Craig Unger's House of Bush, House of Saud. He's guilty as sin. He is a fucking war criminal of the worst sort, lower than snake shit. Don't be fooled by the good cop, bad cop routine between him and Rummy or him and Cheney. And don't be snookered by Woodward's portrayal either. Colin is as much of a bad seed as the rest of them ...

[central scrutinizer]

52. he's been a toad since the early 70's

his "career" took off when he helped cover up My Lai. Read consortiumnews.com for another history of this opportunist.

[jobycom]

10. Tell that to Abraham Lincoln

How many generals did he fire before getting the ones he liked?

That's gotta be the stupidest thing I've heard yet from a Republican in this affair. So we have a leader who is failing miserably at his job, and they want to keep him because you don't fire failures during failing wars?

That's the ultimate sense of entitlement. No wonder things always fall apart under Republicans. They don't even believe they should be required to do good jobs.

[Failure]

12. Lincoln wasn't arrogant like these bushCo folks are..nt

[Nay]

36. I couldn't have said it better, joby.

If anyone else with a regular job screwed up like this, they'd be gone. But a serious, killing war, and we have to keep the fuckup because it's wartime? I say we should have gotten rid of him sooner rather than later. And like Lincoln, go thru as many as you need to to get a competent person.

[NoPasaran]

54. Not only Lincoln fire generals

He also replaced his first Secretary of War, Cameron, with Stanton.

Keeping incompetent people on the job is what's irresponsible.

[LiberalFighter]

58. Does that mean...

that RumNut has to stay when gw* gets booted out?


Truman had 4
Forrestal, James V. (Vincent)
Johnson, Louis A. (Arthur)
Marshall, George C. (Catlett), Jr.
Lovett, Robert A. (Abercrombie)
Eisenhower had 3
Charles E. Wilson
Neil H. McElroy
Thomas S. Gates
Nixon had 3
Melvin Laird
Elliot L. Richardson
James R. Schlesinger
Clinton had 3
Les Aspin
William J. Perry
William S. Cohen

[Kahuna]

11. Matlin just gave James the hand...

:puke:

[Failure]

13. How the HELL can they be married...nt

[Kahuna]

16. James has a very strong stomach...

:puke: :puke: :puke:

[Failure]

17. she just makes me sick too...I feel dirty all over after I hear her speak.

[Carolina]

33. me too and I have to admit

I think less and less of James because she infects him. I just don't get it ... no amount of love or sex could overcome such basic, deeply held differences in thought and philosophy. James now comes across as the weaker of the two. How could he sit there and let that bitch say the economy is stronger than it's been in 20 years?? Sickening.

[jobycom]

20. They avoid politics, I guess

They have the same jobs, similar backgrounds. I imagine they have a lot in common, except the political ideology. Besides, watch Matlin. She's not as convinced as Carville is. Carville's a true believer, but Matlin says what she's supposed to without nearly as much conviction.

[doni_georgia]

40. My guess is she's not nearly the idealogue is real life that she plays

on TV.

[TankLV]

42. It's just gotta be the sex - like to rabid dogs in the street.

I can't imagine anyone so opposed to my thinking lasting in a relationship with me.

But maybe it's all just a game to them both - they don't really care after all? That might explain alot, to. I can readily more imagine them back at home laughing at us all while they BOTH rake in the big bucks for their "act".

[jobycom]

45. Nah, Carville isn't faking

I know a couple like them, where the wife is a Democratic strategist and the husband is a Republican activist. They do well as a couple, they just don't breathe a word about politics.

I guess since it is their job, they can leave it at the office, even if their job is based on deep-seated beliefs. They are probably both burned out on politics when they get home, and maybe that in itself draws them together, since both wants someone who can understand that they have to get away from their jobs for a while.

[mitchum]

51. You're right. it is "just a game to them both"

They're just two spoiled little brats playing a well-paying game of "capture the flag" I have no more respect for Carville than I do for his bitter half.

[Failure]

14. Shes a witch! BURN HER! (nt)

[knight_of_the_star]

29. I take offense to that sir!

She is no witch! I know many witches personally and they would NEVER do the kind of crap that she does.

[Failure]

56. Never watched Monty Python, huh? nt

[opihimoimoi]

18. She is projecting, It would be extremely Irresponsible to KEEP him

Why hang on to a losing guy? Everything he decides these days are losers. His days are long over. should not have been brought out of retirement. Its time for Rummy to face HIS Shock and Awe of being FIRED.

[teryang]

21. Losing a war is the cardinal political offense

The cakewalk is over. They fraudulently misrepresented the threat. Underestimated the "enemy." Now, they are losing the conflict.

This is a situation of winning the tactical engagements and losing strategically as the Army is reporting off the record. However, the strategic blunder of commiting the lion share of American combat power to an unjustified invasion was something discussed here at DU before the "victorious" invasion even began.

Did we win in Fallujah?

[Failure]

22. I guess they have to show a "human" side to matalin...nt

[Cassandra]

23. We should fire the DefSec...

because we're in the middle of two wars, and making a huge mess.

[napi21]

24. I don't think Rummy should be fired.

He is in charge of this mess, and seems to be making the decisions on how wto proceed. It doesn't look like either Afghan or Iraq will get better in the next 6 months.

Rummy should take the hit along with Shrub as Commander in Chief!

To fire Rummy now would just give Shrub an out to blame everything on Rummy and say things will be much better now.

[Kahuna]

25. I agree.

:thumbsup:

[Enraged_Ape]

26. What is this Republican worship of staying committed to failure?

Do they really conduct their own lives this way? I mean, is it just me and a few of my liberal buddies who think that if you make a serious mistake, you should realize it and correct it immediately to avoid any further, more serious damage?

Since when did it become fashionable to perpetuate one's mistakes? To keep fuck-ups in their jobs? To throw good money after bad? Do they really think we should do that? Do they really think its honorable and American to continue to be a fucking patsy?

If they really do feel this way, I want their names, addresses, and phone numbers, so I can make lots and lots of money off of them.

[Failure]

27. I can't believe human beings really think and act the way the

right-wing fascists claim they do.

[opihimoimoi]

39. They are easily led by their Masters who make money off the Pub Scam

[Skip Intro]

30. My first thought also

Of course, anybody with two (non-oxycontined) brain cells to rub together knows that the "war" (invasion/occupation) in/on/of Iraq has nothing to do with the "war" on terror.

[randr]

32. If I'm in a car with an out of control driver

I'm taking the wheel.

[Strelnikov_]

34. Talking Point Of The Day

I have been seeing this statement uttered by shills for the administration over the last few days.

[samsingh]

35. wasn't it irresponsible to start a phony war for oil?

[markses]

37. Now it's TWO wars, eh?

When they need it to be ONE war, it's ONE war.

When it sounds better as TWO wars, it's TWO wars.

These people are terminally incapable of telling the truth.

[scrotim]

38. so rummy needs to start a third war, to insure he won't have to resign?

:eyes:

[spanone]

44. Using that logic, we should suspend the elections. Bullsh*t.

[Failure]

46. Why should we allow incompetance to continue...

What is the closest any of you have come to getting fired, but not.


failure./

[DinahMoeHum]

47. IOW, don't change dicks in the middle of a screw, right, Mary ?

sheeesh, why DID Jim Carville marry her, anyway?

:argh:

[mmonk]

49. It would be irresponsible to keep those who got us in the

middle of two wars.

[mitchum]

50. Who cares what that hatchet-faced wretch thinks?

Oh...she is also stupid and heartless

[opiate69]

53. Irresponsible??

I guess in her mind, leaving an inept, lying, war-mongering madman in charge of Defense would be the epitome of responsibility?

[w4rma]

55. It's irresponsible to keep him. (nt)

[Zero Gravitas]

57. They should have thought of that

before starting the two wars and letting that incompetent boob be in charge of them.