"A Nation that kills its Children is a Nation without Hope"

[BiggJawn]

A bumper sticker I see almost every day in the garage...

Should I put a note on their windscreen asking if that includes children who wear uniforms, or just children still attached to their mothers throught the belly?

Silly me, I keep forgetting that "Right-to-Lifers" don't give a fuck about "The Children" once the cord is cut...

[Veggie Meathead]

1. You may also want to add whether it includes Iraqi children

who are part of a wedding party.

[SoFlaJet]

2. Sick

15 women and 10 children my initial reaction was;this is so bad for us note;"us" meaning our troops

[VOX]

16. There you have it.

Sad, but true.

[dsc]

3. I have posted poll after poll to show that is blatently false

Not only do roughly 1 out of 4 pro lifers vote Democratic, they are within the MOE of being as likely as pro choicers to oppose the death penalty. In addition, many Catholic pro lifers (including Kucinich and Bonior) opposed the Iraq war when doing so wasn't cool. Kucinich was still calling himself pro life when he first opposed the war, the fact he altered his opinon after doing so doesn't change the fact he was pro life when he opposed the war.

[DaveSZ]

4. They love the fetus, but hate the child after it's born

:(

Most of us probably care about the child afterwards as well.

:)

[dsc]

5. that is total bs

Yes there are many who do. But just what do you think the 1 in 4 pro lifers who voted for Gore were voting for? It sure wasn't to end abortion. Tell me how the likes of David Bonior and Dennis Kucinich for the vast majority of his career in politics "didn't give a damn about kids".

[DaveSZ]

6. Obvously I was generalizing

We could cut the number of abortions in half if and when Kerry is elected and his FDA makes the morning after pill available over the counter.

That's the pro-life position!

:)

[dsc]

8. It is called stereotyping

when it is a group the majority here agrees with. The simple fact is that when 1 out of 4 of a group votes Democratic and close to half of that group oppose the DP I think that we need to understand that a substantial number are our friends.

[truthspeaker]

7. but 3 in 4 don't

he's generalizing, yes, but with good reason. The Repigs are constantly taking a holier-than-thou attitude with their pro-life rhetoric and we need to call them on their hypocrisy.

[DaveSZ]

9. Yes I was calling those folks on their hypocrisy

Many of those who favor criminalizing abortion also favor war for corporate profit, cutting public education fuunding for children, cutting environmental protection, cutting social programs that help children, etc.

At the very least when people support a political candidate like Bush because he is "pro-life," that is what they are supporting; it is beyond hypocritical.

I personally think abortion past viability is wrong, but that's my own personal viewpoint.

[BiggJawn]

10. Exactly.

The anti-choice factions are SO against the "killing of innocent babies", but yet they have NO problem with sending thousands of those "babies" 18 years later to die in some foreign country for the profit of coprorations.

"Sanctity of Life" should mean ALL life, not just unviable "life" in utero.

But such is the hypocrisy of the Right. I read once that a good Moralist can talk out of both sides of his mouth AND his ass at the same time. I think it may apply to the owner of the truck with that sticker on it...

[dsc]

12. So if 3 out of 4

of some other minority group lives up or down to some stereotype it is OK to stereotype them too?

[truthspeaker]

13. if the "stereotype" is an integral part of their message, yes

[dsc]

14. but that isn't the case here

In many cases the people don't believe what you are claiming them to believe. Which is my exact point.

[Karenina]

11. A nation that kills ANYONE'S children

WHOLESALE, with malice and using "Technology of Mass Destruction" is a nation without hope.

[Timefortruth]

15. I would tell her you agree with her.

The nation has lost hope. We have abandoned our children. Look at any state's foster care system. Find a state which provides equally for all children medically or educationally. It is our contempt for our children where our contempt for anyone with less is best demonstrated, but our children are our hope. Tell her you will work with her to be certain that all children are provided for equally, since you still have hope.