Can someone explain the Freepers intense hatred of Clinton?

[Lucky Luciano]

I mean they truly hate the guy. It seems like they would throw huge parties and have big weekend barbecues if he was beheaded.

So, aside from saying Freepers are stupid (most are what I call redneck conservatives without an intellectual bone in their bodies), what are their ideological differences with Clinton that make them abhor him so much? It isn't just because he lied about getting head while simultaneously being a democrat, is it? It has to be more than that, right?

[tom_paine]

1. Explain the Nazis intense hatred of Jews

Then you'll have your answer, for they are one and the same...

[Champion Jack]

2. They hate him because they lust after his

Penis?

[yardwork]

3. Under Clinton - a Democrat - the country enjoyed eight years

of peace and prosperity. The freepers can't stand it.

[Only Me]

82. I agree, they love to think we (Dems) are simple minded, bleeding ...

hearts, that can't screw in a light-bulb correctly. They loathe the
fact that we are EXACT opposites of them. They loathe the fact that we are right, they want the benefits that the Democratic Party creates for them, but they don't want on board. They want to have job protection and health care, and a balanced budget, unemployment if they loose there jobs, a social safety net if they need it, and a safe stable country, but they are are too narrow minded to admit that a country ran by a Democrat for the people is in the best interest of this Nation.

Clinton represented a charming, Charismatic Leader, that managed to pay off the astronomical debts that were coming due, (thanks to Repubs) when he took office. Unite the country with his strength and leadership and still seem like the guy next door. He had, has, something..intangible. He was something like, this country had not seen since JFK. He was and is extremely intimidating to the party, because he proved to the Republicans the Democratic way works better than their way.

[NMDemDist2]

4. entirely different world view, same reason we hate Bush with such

passion at times i fear.

[tom_paine]

29. You are too charitable to Nazi Monsters, even the kinder and gentler

ones.

If that is what you think, then so be it.

Were the Jews who fought the Nazis, who HATED them...were they the same as the Nazis at heart because of this?

No. In fact, you should read Alebrt Camus' Fourth Letter to a German Friend in which he explains some of it.

In another age/era, your assessment would be correct. But it isn't, for the same reasons the Nazis weren't just another comonplace iteration of the German Political Scene.

And neither are the Busheviks.

And if you think people who watched slowly aghast for more than a decade before fully understanding what they were up against & returning fire are the same as the Brownshirts who fro 20 years cultivated a New and Improved Goebbelsian-style Propaganda, complete with Totalitarianm Party-Loyal Sub-Media and Lie Laundry...then you are quite mistaken.

Just my opinion.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

74. The interesting thing to note is the diametrically opposed

geneses of the two phenomena. The nazi's sprung from a devastated post-WWI Germany. The Chimpzis spawned from the most pro$perou$ nation in world. Too much or too little of a good thing? :shrug:

[DieboldMustDie]

32. But Bush is a right wing extremist...

Clinton was, and remains, a centrist. I for one don't understand how moderation engenders such passion in them. :shrug:

[izzie]

37. This seem to be about right to me.

On top of that the Right Wing nuts have more power so it has seemed even more so. When they were not running the party it was more normal. We can hardly call that the party of Ike. Now you must think like them or your out.

[candy]

47. You posted the perfect answer----

[Francine Frensky]

66. NO!! That's what Rove wants you to say...

Clinton was hated because he wasn't from the approved group of people who "could be president". And he won two times which really infuriated these people.

Clinton was hated before he even took oath because of his being from a poor family and having no father and having an intelligent wife, all things that the upper class finds utterly disgusting. They could care less about anything he accomplished, even if it bettered America and enriched their pockets.

Clinton should never have happened, in their view.

[question everything]

75. Exactly. And this was expressed by the book "The Hunting of the President

by Conason and Lyons:

"There can be little question that Clinton's Arkansas origin had much to do with the suspicion with which established Washington greeted him. No sooner had he been inaugurated than reporters began descending upon Little Rock... to describe the president's native state as uniquely corrupt."

In 1994, Michael Kelly profiled Clinton in the New York time Magazine:
"What threatens this president seems to be much larger than mere partisanship. There is a level of mistrust and even dislike of him that is almost visceral in its intensity. In Washington, where power is generally r=treated with genuflecting reverence, it is no longer surprising to hear the President spoken of with open and dismissive contempt."

The authors of the book than added that while the article featured liberal activists from the left who scolded Clinton, in reality Kelly spent much of his time in Arkansas in the company of political operatives employed by Scaife. By way of discounting Clinton's six election victories there, Kelly went as far as to claim that 'Arkansas is not really a democracy.... but a rural fiefdom where a tiny incestuous elite holds sway over a small and politically-disorganized middle class and a large, but well-beaten population of the poor."

And, welcome to DU :toast:

[question everything]

76. I would not have hated Bush so much

had his actions did not directly affected my day to day living, and had he not claimed that he is guided by "god" meaning that one cannot even debate him.

[Piperay]

89. I don't think I would be so inclined

to hate chimp as much as I do except I can't forget the ugly evil hatred they showed to Clinton. Plus the fact that all that chimp has ever shown to our side has been disrespect, contempt and hatred. :-(

[radwriter0555]

5. They fear that which is truly good and honorable. Just like kerry..

Kerry is a good, decent and honorable man. That scares the SHIT out of these people.

[still_one]

6. pretty close to the way I feel about bush

[lancdem]

8. Me too, actually

[lancdem]

7. I think part of the reason is

he's a Democrat who had the nerve to win two terms as president at a time when the Repukes were beginning to think the WH was going to be permanently theirs. Also, he has an amazing ability to extract himself from messes when his enemies think they finally have him cornered.

[ibegurpard]

9. Rush Limbaugh

et al.

[denverbill]

18. I think you nailed it.

When you have 2-3 radio shows who's sole purpose is to discredit and bring down a President, who magnify every molehill into a mountain and who rails against Clinton for everything from Waco to Sept 11, eventually, people grow to hate him.

And their hatred is spreading. It went from that awful Clinton, to all liberals, to all Democrats to anyone who doesn't support Bush.

Kerry will be equally vilified this year. He's being vilified already in the rw media.

[maggrwaggr]

38. yes, they were fed a steady diet of lies about Clinton

they said he was a murderer, a crook, a drug dealer, that his wife was a lesbian, it just goes on and on.

They paid people to tell lies for them.

It was a constant diet of anti-Clinton hate speech and anti-Clinton propaganda.

And a lot of people fell for it.

Now they think he's Satan and everything that goes wrong in the world is his fault.

[denverbill]

40. The right-wing needs an enemy to exist.

They have to hate somebody and be 'at war' in order to succeed. When they lost the USSR, they had no purpose.

If Kerry wins, it will be Kerry, his wife, his children, and his relatives that are the very incarnation of evil, with the Clinton's as their willing servants. You can bet your bottom dollar on it.

[L3on]

94. You forgot to add rapist...

I'm surprised that they didn't accuse him of disrupting cataclysmically the balance of space and time which will eventually cause the very fabric of the universe to collapse.

[Snellius]

33. .

.

[Penndems]

95. Add Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson to that list

and every other RW evangelical crank.

Falwell's "The Clinton Chronicles" is the most slanderous, loathesome piece of crap you can imagine. If I was a member of Vince Foster's immediate family, I'd be suing him into the next century. Robertson is just another Elmer Gantry. His father must be spinning in his grave.

(M.G. Robertson was a State Senator here in Virginia.)

[LoZoccolo]

10. He was popular.

As another thread today mentions, his popularity actually went up during his biggest scandal.

[Guava Jelly]

11. I think it started because

Bush 1 lost to Clinton Because Perot pulled a Nader.
Clinton wasnt supposed to win in thier eyes.Bush was!!
So they were pissed.So Clinton Became thier Dubya (Although Clinton is no Dubya He can actually speak).
They used the same machine That confuses America that Bush isnt an idiot to Destroy or try to destroy The greatest president since Truman!
Thats why they hate Clinton.

[crossroads]

59. Who knows what makes freepers NOT think!?

:shrug:

[Must_B_Free]

12. Does anyone know the far right conspiracy theory in a nutshell?

from the early to mid 90s?

I know there was Vince Foster, but also what about tinfoil hats, black helicopters, "Zog" and "mud people"? What was their whole belief system on that and how did it get abandoned so rapidly?

[LoZoccolo]

20. I don't know much about the conspiracy theory...

...but I'd guess it was several variants of the idea that there is a conspiracy to form a one-world government, and these things are still around.

I remember seeing a swell of stuff like that around mid-to-late 1994, and then there was the Oklahoma City bombing. When I heard someone blew up a federal building my first guess was it was someone from that movement trying to harm the federal government and it turned out to be true. From what I hear, the militia movement subsided considerably after that, and my theory about that would be that people started to see that making up and spreading stories about stuff isn't just a game; it can have real consequences.

[keithyboy]

13. Penis envy! The 'arousal factor.'

But mainly, what supreme racists hate more than the orignianl object of their hatred is one of their own who befriends, admires, or who just treats the objects of their hatred decently. In Clinton's case, he had a decent respect for all people, and a special affinity to blacks. In this racist nation, that was punishable by death a mere 50-60 years ago. Any public figure whoever tried in this country to help blacks or other minorities has been villified by the ultra-right (many used to be Dems or Dixicrats). After Kennedy and Johnson, they flew into the arms of the ultra-right wing Republicans and many former, thinking, decent Republicans swung over to the Dems. In a word: racism!

[Ready4Change]

I think their leaders told them to hate him.

Now, why do head freepers hate Clinton? Basically, he took the moderate line and succeeded with it. That's dangerous to freepers black/white/good/evil world view. The idea that the middle road can not only work, but can be proven to work extremely well, completely robs extremists of power.

And if there's one thing freeper leaders fear above all else, it's a loss of power.

So, they demonized Clinton to their base, using every trick in the book. Other than one adulterous affair with a consenting adult, absoloutly none of the 8 years of allegations against Clinton have been proven true, and nearly all have been proven false. Yet, Clinton (and Hillary) is still the great evil to freepers. Freepers are blind to the corrupt nature of their leadership, blind to facts of the case, and blind to any news or viewpoints that don't come from approved sources, like FOX or Rush.

And that is why I, a registered Republican, am here.

[Zuni]

17. exactly

The GOP is responsible for the current wave of gutter slime politics---they started it as soon as Clinton was elected

[QC]

14. A lot of it has to do with class.

Clinton, a self-made man raised blue-collar in the small-town South by a single mother and educated on merit scholarships, beat a blue-blooded aristocrat. They still haven't gotten over it, hence the Bush Restoration.

[Jade Fox]

54. Yes, and a lot of the people who hate him obsessively....

come from very similar backgounds, minus the success.

They have to hate him, or look at themselves and wonder why they
haven't made a better life for themselves like he did. Its a
twisted form of self-hate

The wealthly elite hated Clinton because he was pure Poor White Trash.
Sadly, a lot of people who should have claimed him as a hero hate
him too.

[QC]

70. Yep, the real giveaway was how often they referred to him as Bubba,

made cracks about trailer trash, and the like. Word choice reveals so much about people's hidden feelings.

Clinton's policies were mostly good for business, the kind of thing Republicans love, and his womanizing was certainly no worse than that of Gingrich, Hutchinson, Hyde, etc.

The big problem these people had with him was that he was a poor boy from Arkansas who beat an aristo. And there are many among the working class who admire the rich.

[trof]

15. There's a real reason.

Presidential Candidate Electoral Vote Popular Vote Pct Party Running Mate
(Electoral Votes)

William J. Clinton of Arkansas (W) 370 44,908,254 42.93% Democrat Al Gore of Tennessee (370)

George H. W. Bush of Texas 168 39,102,343 37.38% Republican James Danforth Quayle of Indiana (168)

Ross Perot of Texas 0 19,741,065 18.87% (Independent) James Bond Stockdale of California (0)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._presidential_election,_1992

The freepers believe, rightly or wrongly, that Perot's 19% came mostly from repubs and cost Bush1 the election.

They at least "professed" not to believe that Clinton was the legitimate president since he did not get a majority (50% + 1)of the electoral votes. It's stuck in their craw ever since.

They feel the same about the '92 election that we Dems do about sElection 2000.

[trof]

31. No comment on my "real" reason? hmmm

[Andromeda]

79. You've made a good point...

n/t

[Trajan]

16. The cause of their intense hatred of Clinton ...

Is there intense hatred ....

Clinton was today's target: used to be Kennedy, Carter, Mondale, and McGovern .....

AS long as they can hate SOMEONE: they are content ....

[maggrwaggr]

39. interesting, yes, the Cold War had ended, they needed a new "enemy"

because these people have to hate SOMEbody.

Couldn't be the commies anymore, so they turned to Clinton.

Who represented everything that was a hair up their ass back in the 1960's. Extremely intelligent, anti-Vietnam, Kennedy-loving, good-looking, playboy, pot-sipping popular leader.

[skypilot]

19. More intelligent, better looking...

...and getting it regularly, apparently. They can't stand it.

[Mandate My Ass]

21. He won

After DS1, Poppy Bush was riding high in the polls and he thought the second term was his for the taking. Then he let his cluelessness and disdain for the plight of ordinary Americans who had lost their jobs be felt. Clinton overwhelmingly connected with these people and won. They hounded him mercilessly after that and to this day.

When Bush says he'll never repeat his father's mistakes, I believe him. But like everything he says, you have to know how to interpret his words and that would not be at face value. He doesn't mean he'll look out for regular, out-of-work Americans, just that he'll never willingly let the focus return to domestic issues which would show him to be more clueless and disdainful of the useless eaters than his father ever was.

[TacticalPeek]

67. He won.

Twice.

:)


BWAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!


And if he could run again, he'd win again, and they know it.

BWAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

[onecitizen]

22. He is/was everything they're not.........

He is above all else, the best politician of my lifetime. They know it and resent it. He came from a busted family, no father, single working Mom raised him. He had a dream that he did on his own, no one helped him. People LIKE him....alot! He avoided Nam (oh that one doesn't fit. They all avoided it too). He studied abroad! OMG! He lived in Europe! I bet he even visited (gasp),France! AND drum roll please, he got a BJ! I don't know why they didn't hang him when they had a chance.

[Zuni]

23. They hated him because

he was so succsessful and made them look like total a**holes for 8 years.
Clinton's popularity rose when the GOP slime machine went into overdrive in the late 1990s.
They hated him because he started to undo their reactionary agenda, even if his was far from perfect.
Bush is athrowback to the gilded Age, that is why they like him.

[Alerter_]

24. Because of the anti-Clinton media campaign of Scaife, etc

They blanketed the media with so many half-truths, slurs, rumors, and lies about Clinton it was hard not to hate him. If half of what they said was true, Clinton was a monster. Of course, it was more like 10% true, but how would anyone know that? The media never admitted they were lying.

[Zuni]

25. Cause he got MORE TAIL

than most of those fundies get in their wet dreams

[jorno67]

26. envy - pure envy

[AgentLadyBug]

27. easy - they couldn't beat him /eom

[dryan]

28. Started in Arkansas

Read "A Vast Conspriacy".

[AspenRose]

30. He was/is a uniter, not a divider

Bush knows how to keep those 'brown people' in their places. Why, that Clinton, he probably procreated with some of 'em! *gasp*

/sarcasm OFF

Clinton worked hard to bring everyone together. Republicans operate on a fear-mongering, divide-and-conquer strategy.

[Disturbed]

34. Instead of guessing.

If anyone is interested why don't you ask them why the hate Bill so much.

[Snellius]

35. What's even sicker is the intense hatred of Hillary

Stupid as they are, Bill haters usually can sling back some dittohead mantra about "Slick Willy" if you ask them why they hate Clinton. But Hillary? What did she do? They hate her like Himmler hated Jews, purely for what in their sick small minds she represents.

[maggrwaggr]

42. what's ironic is she's starting to look more and more like a GOPer herself

so people like me are starting to hate her.

[DemBones DemBones]

36. Bill Clinton interfered with their dream of

Republicans controlling the country forever, eight years of Reagan to be followed by eight years of GHW Bush, to be followed by eight years of Dan Quayle, perhaps, and so on to infinity. I think that's the main reason but they also hate him because he's far, far more intelligent than any of them, and -- simultaneously! -- better-looking and loaded with charisma. Worse yet, people like him.

The right wingers hated Jack Kennedy for the same reasons, they hated Bobby Kennedy for the same reasons, and they are already hating John Kerry for the same reasons. Don't think Kerry has charisma? The media's doing a good job, aren't they?

[Hamlette]

41. it's not the freepers I worry about

they hated blacks and hate "rag heads" and are capable of Abu Ghraib. I'll never understand them.

The ones who worry me are the "elves". A group of lawyers, including Ted Olsen, who met within weeks of the 1992 election, way prior to Clinton being sworn in, and began trying to find a way to impeach him. They didn't give him a chance. From that flows the rest of it.

Why that group wanted to impeach him is the question. I think the answer is the republican revolution. There is a well funded group of conservatives who believe that the only way for the US to be good/great/right/prosperous/survive is for conservatives to rule. Conservatives, they believe, are the brains behind the operation and must keep the progressives/dems/liberals at bay or the country will fail. Some of them began years ago to start a revolution to take back the country from the dems. They started the think tanks and the Federalist Society (to take over the judiciary) and the right wing media. It is very well organized and funded.

To them it will be revolution all the time until they get their way. Remember, they hated Carter and FDR as much as they hated Clinton.

The thing that always gets me is that the rhetoric sounds the same on both sides of the aisle. "_____ is arrogant, elietist, stupid, evil, only wants power for him and his buddies, will ruin the world, is destroying American's image abroad, is immoral, is a liar. (etc. etc). For me the name in the blank is Bush, for them it is Clinton (soon to be Kerry.)

[maggrwaggr]

43. yes, but the evidence shows that we're right and they're wrong

Clinton: 8 years of peace and prosperity

Bush: 3 years of total mayhem, destruction, murder, war, fires, terrorism, death, economic horror

[Hamlette]

46. Oh, I'm not saying we are wrong!

I just find it odd that you can replace the name and we are all saying the same thing about the other.

What I would really like is for America to discuss the issues, not just call each other names. Is it true, as conservatives believe, that governments can't effect change? If it is, then what? Do we just give up? If governments can effect change why do they think the US can effect change in Iraq? Or do they? Or why do they think religion can? Is it always wrong for "activist" judges to make decisions on civil rights? Was the Brown case wrong like they believe the gay marriage was? What is the difference?

The way I see it, conservatives know that not many people buy their ideas and they can't win an argument on the merits so they go after Clinton on the bimbo factor. And public discourse is so eroded now that we can't stop it.

Unless we pass a law that hate radio is a hate crime or that news programs have to be accurate. Put Rush and Fox out of business and maybe we can talk instead of scream.

[NMDemDist2]

48. thought full (spelled that way on purpose) Ham thanks eom

[Yupster]

51. Irony can be so ironic

On the website that every night proclaims its hatred of Bush, comparing him to Hitler, and concocting a crazy conspiracy theory to blame Bush for everything under the sun, you get the question ...

why do Republicans hate Clinton so much?

Irony can be so ironic.

[maggrwaggr]

56. why are you here, Yupster?

just wondering.

[Yupster]

68. Because I'm a grizzleed old Democrat

who enjoys the give and take of politics and especially talking history. In fact, I'm author of a history textbook (just the teacher's edition part).

I do admit to getting frustrated by the conspiracy theories and hatred so often found in many posts.

I think most of it is because many of the posters are pretty young and don't have much life experience or reading of history to base their views on. That's how you get nonsensial posts like "Bush = Hitler". I try not to respond to most of them, but sometimes I can't help myself.

Anyway, thanks for asking, I guess.

[Lucky Luciano]

86. Well yupster

It certainly seem that while people often have their therapeutic, but unintellectual posts of b*shbashing here, there are plenty of intellectual/ideological reasons that are posted here as well. There are very specific and well-defined issues that people have here against b*sh. I very rarely see that at Free republic. I suppose they don't like Clinton because he is pro-choice and most of the Freepers are anti-abortion (I think the term pro-life is misleading). I think the Freepers want to join church and state and Clinton did not. Those reasons are ideological, but not enough to want to roast the guy on an open fire, and besides they never really bring this up in their Clinton bashing tirades. They never really give their reasons. They just say, "I hate Clinton!!!!!!! GRRRR...I hate him - well.....uh...Because!!" I really want to know why they hate him so much. I liked a lot of the answers people gave here although i obviously cannot respond to everyone's post - I didn't expect this thread to get this long! On the flip side, I am sure it would take a minute for everyone here to type out 10 different specific issues to bash b*sh with.

[maggrwaggr]

57. for years the Democrats have tried intelligent argument

and we just got ridiculed, threatened, and basically beat up by a bunch of lying bullies.

We finally say "okay, enough of this shit"

And THEY start complaining.

The trouble with war is it brings everybody down to a lowest common, and savage, denominator.

They declared war on us a long time ago.

Now they don't like the fight.

I say fuck them, grind them into the earth, ship them all off to Iraq in chains.

They are assholes, they are bullies, they are controlling fascist scumbags who love nothing about what America truly stands for.

And they need to GO.

They wanted a war, they've got one.

Fuck them all to hell.

[ashling]

44. These people have always been that way about the Kennedy's,

and I remember people who would foam at the mouth when you mentioned Barbara Jordan's name. I'm sure there are other's who set them off as well.

It is some sort of Pavlovian response. But then Pavlov was working with intellegent animals wasn't he?

Go figure.
:dem:

[rucky]

45. penispenispenispenispenispenis

did somebody say something?

[Lindsey]

49. You MUST read "Blinded by the Right" and "The Hunting of

the President" to get the complete understanding. It's very complicated and it goes way back. The people that hate Hillary do so because it's simply against their beliefs that a woman should be as smart as men and in power. p.s. Just because Hillary said one thing about the war, I don't think we need to make her a republican - c'mon!!!

[librechik]

50. He likes black people and independent women

and they can't trust any man who does. They're troglodytes.

[doni_georgia]

52. Clinton was everything these Nazis despise

He protested Vietnam (see he was just supposed to quietly get out of duty then pretend to support that cluster fuck).

Women love him - these neocons couldn't get a $2 prositute to give it up

He has a personality

He's smart

His wife has a brain of her own

He wasn't part of the Washington establishment

He did things his own way rather than marching in goose step

[wyldwolf]

53. Bill Clinton explained it himself

And therein lies the true reason of why the GOP feared Bill Clinton so. It was not for his views, but for his undeniable star quality, which left unsmeared could have turned the Republican strategy on its head for decades to come. And no one understood that strategy better than Bill Clinton.

Asked why the right wing despises him so, the former president answered simply, "Because I won."

This is not what Clinton came to talk about, but these three words are the ones that will be remembered by everyone who saw him on January 29, for they said as much about the country in which we live, and in which 51 million were disenfranchised a little over a year ago, as Clinton's prepared speech said about our entire world.

"They believed there would never be a Democratic president," he said of the Republicans. "They thought they found a foolproof formula to turn us into cardboard cutouts -- superficial, one-dimensional, non-American figures. And the American people voted for me. They never thought it was legitimate. They decided 'We should have never lost the White House. It belongs to us.' If you want to be a Democrat or progressive and run for national office today, you have to have a pretty high pain threshold. It's just the cost of doing business in politics today."

http://www.democrats.com/view.cfm?id=5718

[kodi]

55. chicks, they hate a guy who's hot with the chicks

there seems to be some sort of mutation of puritan virtue in those right wing ass clowns that breeds envy towards anyone who is comfortable around women.

the clinton administration's policies and acts alone do not appear to be sufficient to stoke the hate-consuming fires that burn in the black hearts of clinton haters. after all, the guy was pretty much a free market corporatist and centrist.

it has to be the chick thing.

its probably why they ran a viagra gulper against him in '96.

[Catherine Vincent]

62. And Clinton and the viagra gulper are the best of friends.

At least they appear to be. Bob Dole wasn't as rabid as his counterparts but nonetheless, he is a republican. Have you seen the two together? Clinton charmed Dole to the tee (and maybe vice versa).

[Carolina]

58. it's pure visceral hatred rooted in bigotry

I asked a bright, articulate, well-educated white guy at the medical school where I teach, why he and many like him (in higher education) hated Clinton. He turned beet red and a scowl came across his face, yet he could not articulate a single reason!

I pressed on anyway and asked: if you hate one of your own as you do, how do you think that makes me, a woman of color, feel? He seemed shocked by this but I pointed out that his and Clinton's backgrounds were very similar ... poor white boys who achieved what they did on their own --no family connections-- through brilliant intellect and a way of connecting with people. He got even redder and though he assured me that he bore me no ill will, he still couldn't explain his Clinton animus.

While I agree that the RW talking heads of radio and TV played a huge role during the presidency years with the constant barrage of lies, The Hunting of the President points out that Clinton hating went way back to Arkansas and was due in large part to race.

[Carolina]

60. also because he's so damn smart

and oh so charismatic.

When I finally got to meet him, I thought I'd died and gone straight to heaven. :smoke:

The man just has it all! God I miss him

[devinsgram]

61. Intelligence, they can't stand it.

That's why they hate Hillary so much. They were both very intelligent.

[elperromagico]

63. Simple. They couldn't beat him.

And God knows they tried.

[Lindacooks]

64. Jealousy.

He's a good looking guy who is very intelligent, well educated, and has compassion for people. Since Repukes are at the opposite end of the moral spectrum (ugly, stupid, buy their college diplomas, no compassion, pure evil) they hate goodness.

[no name no slogan]

65. Same reason why both schools in town are bitterest rivals

Clinton co-opted several big Republican issues, and used them to beat the Republicans at their own game: "the deficit", "welfare reform", "free trade", "personal responsibility", Sistah Souljah, "Defense of Marriage" act, snubbing Jesse Jackson at the 1992 convention, etc.

By stealing these "Republican" issues, he was able to position himself as a "responsible" Democrat-- especially after the 1994 bloodletting.

[Lucky Luciano]

77. EXACTLY!!

This is what kills me! He supported many things the republicans stand for!!! It is crazy!

Republicans: You democrats have a no good policy on hand outs, corporatism, free trade, and deficit spending.

Clinton: You might be right. I will work on that.

Republicans: Stop agreeing with us on our core issues!

Clinton: Why? I thought you would want to convince me of such things.

Republicans: Because you will steal our voting base from us!

It is all BS partisanship. Let's dissolve the party system and make everyone an independent that has to speak openly about their views so people don't vote by party but on views.

[Only Me]

83. I don't think the Repubs ever had the monopoly on the right ideals.

Clinton did many, many things that added up to just plain good leadership at the right time. He wasn't perfect, but he managed to keep the right balance, considering the 'Hell' they put him thru it's any wonder he ever got anything accomplished.

Bill Clinton was no "follow-the-leader", he was a Leader.

[texas1928]

69. Cause he can get some

They are looking at a Wallet with a condom in it from their Junior high days.

[minkyboodle]

71. they hate his pee-dom

they are jealous of all our pee-doms

[Penndems]

72. Here's why the RW hates him

1. His looks

2. His intelligence

3. His charisma

4. His ability to connect with people of all ages and races

5. His oratory skills

6. His wife (she's just too damned independent and intelligent, and doesn't know her "place")

7. His ability to get done in eight years what Daddy Bush couldn't get done in four

8. His "kowtowing" to the lower and middle classes

9. His sense of humor

10. His charm

11. He's a master of the political arena

12. He, Mrs. Clinton and the Gores are "baby boomers", a generation they equate with decadence, self-indulgence, rebelliousness and sedition

13. The fact that he beat Daddy Bush (Repubs - and especially the Bushes - LITERALLY think the White House is their God-given birthright)

[oasis]

73. The greater Clinton becomes, the smaller Raygun seems. A no no.

[sofa king]

78. The bell curve?

President Clinton was a brilliant person who used is knowledge and powers of analysis to guide America through a minefield of post-Cold War complexity.

This guy goes with his gut, wants a synopsis of everything before he pretends to read it, refuses to speak definitively on any issue because he does not have the facts and figures at his command, and relies heavily upon a magical sky pixie to govern his decision-making process.

He's a fucking moron. He attracts like kind, because he's easy to understand. Ignorance breeds suspicion and contempt, particularly of those who would dare to invoke rational thought over irrational inevitability.

Want to try something fun? Compare Dave Leip's county-by-county map of the 2000 election with other demographic data. Take for example Alabama:

http://www.uselectionatlas.org/USPRESIDENT/img.php?year=2000&st=AL&type=map

Now compare it to the number of tractors per capita:



You shouldn't expect a perfect match. Now, compare that to farm ownership by African Americans:



Now, that resolves more than a few of the discrepancies, doesn't it? If you live far away from educational centers, libraries, good Internet access--the tools we use to learn and teach ourselves, the better your chances are of being a Republican, unless you happen to be a minority.

Stupid white people. The "Hicktory" of the Year 2000, as the Washington Post dared to categorize it. Simple lives, simple people, simple solutions--fucking clueless. Those are the people who hate Bill Clinton.

And, to paraphrase George Carlin, half of the American people are below average. Right here is where the other half lives.

[Lucky Luciano]

85. Very interesting post

It would have been nicer if the maps were not so big, but your point is clear. I have often thought the reasoning was similar to this, but I had never done a real study - this is very interesting.

Thanks!

[sofa king]

90. Sorry, Lucky.

I didn't mean to screw up the whole post by planting those giant maps there. I'm still not very good that this semi-html editing and if anyone can give me some hints about that let me know.

And besides, we don't want the state of Alababa getting a bead on where they can be beat, 'cause Diebold may be there to help come November. No need to aid the army of the ignorant by offering them information they otherwise would be too "intellectually incurious" to glean themselves. They're not all stupid by a long shot--just the guy in charge.

I hope some of Kerry's people are watching, though. I think we can nail half a dozen states by encouraging registration in the sectors which have a chance to beat the "blue devolution."

[napi21]

80. It all started with Nixon. Dems forced him out. It's revenge!

From what I can tell, the ouster of Nixon started all this hatred. They tried to pick on Carter, but he was such a straight arrow, they couldn't. Clinton was the first Dem Pres. and the hatred had grown over the years. Bill had to take it all!

I was very disappointed in him that he did such a dumb thing with an even dumber broad. He really is smarter than that!

I'm also sure if it hadn't been Monica, they would have trumped up something else he would have had to defend himself against.

Look out for hell to break loose if we ever have another Pub Pres and a Dem House and Senate! If that were the case now, Shrub would have been gone 3 years ago!

[Piperay]

91. I think so too

I know some repukes (actually relatives) and they are STILL angry over Nixon's resignation. They blame the Democrats and they STILL get on a rant about how "Nixon was driven from office", their hate for the Democrats knows no bounds and has no time limit. :-(

[Penndems]

96. Nixon helped himself out of office

"Tricky Dick" was a lying, delusional, paranoid megalomaniac who abused the powers of the Presidency and obstructed justice. Granted, he got a lot of help out the front door from John Erlichman, H.R. Haldeman, John Mitchell, John Dean, Alexander Butterfield, Egil Krogh, Charles Colson, E. Howard Hunt, G. Gordon Liddy and Jeb Magruder, who lied to Congress and did serious prison time.

Nixon should've gone to jail, but Gerald Ford pardoned him (which, in and of itself, should be enough to squelch their mindless caterwauling). Then again, evidently not.

What evil and diseased individuals RWers are. A cancer on the character of this country. :mad:

[JSJ]

81. I splain it!

He's a southern Democrat who appears slightly progressive and who has shown he can beat blue dogs and Republicans at winning votes in the south- what the freeper crowd fears the most.

[Dont Hurt Me]

84. I think it's fairly simple

Most Republicans hate Clinton for the same reason most Dems hate bush. The majority are just toating the party line. Also a lot of people just have different fundamental beliefs and they can't understand why the other side disagrees with them.

The funny thing is Clinton did little to advance the democratic agenda and (as someone else here said) spent a lot of time working on traditional conservative issues. While Bush has done very little to advance the conservative agenda and upset much of his base, but alas Republicans will still vote for him because of the R. instead of voting for a third party candidate.

[Only Me]

87. http://home.att.net/~jrhsc/jobwelldone.html n/t

[Piperay]

88. Cause of the "D" after

his name. Seriously I think if he had had an "R" after his name they would have loved him but it is as simple as the fact that they hate Democrats. Clinton a Democrat had the nerve to run for President and beat a Repukelican therefore the hate.

[SideshowScott]

92. Simple Answer: He won....

The Right Wing wants power above all else..No matter if they have to lie, cheat and steal to get it.. ( Watergate..And you know that thing in 2000 ) Bill won and threw a big monkey wrench in whatever plans they had for the 90's..Now being enacted now with results that I really doubt they are happy with no matter how much they crow.
Bill Won they lost and not only that Bill did great for the most part. ( Yes im not saying perfect but with what the Republicans and every Right Wing kook threw at him he did pretty damn good )
Thats why they hate him and STILL talk like hes president..Lord I still wish he was.

[Jeff in Cincinnati]

93. Here's a link

An article published on DU two years ago (I wrote it)

www.democraticunderground.com/articles/ 02/03/04_bashing.html