I was just watching a documentary about Islamic extremists

[HEyHEY]

I'm probably out of the loop here...and I'm sure many have seen it. But it's called "Dying for god" or something like that. It has no narration...and mainly is clips from insode mousqes and schools in Pakistan, Afghanistan and Lebanon.

Crazy shit.... one scene was a ceremony in honour of martyrs in Pakistan where they cut their heads open and bath in the blood. The most disturbing part was that they were doing it to small children and babies.

Anyone seen this?

[Wonk]

1. In The Name of God: Scenes From The Exteme

http://www.cbc.ca/passionateeyesunday/feature_191003.html

(snip)

In The Name of God: Scenes From The Exteme traces the connection between acts of terror and a religion of compassion and mercy. While the documentary focuses on the lives of extreme minority factions, it notes that followers of Islam have widely divergent views on the meaning of Jihad and martyrdom.

In The Name of God: Scenes From The Extreme is directed  by Emmy award-winning Israeli filmmaker Dan Setton.

[HEyHEY]

2. Thanks!

What did you think of it?

[Wonk]

3. I recorded it, but haven't watched it yet. nt

[Wonk]

13. Here's vp3 video for those who missed it

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=116x6003

Pretty disturbing stuff, btw.

[DemBones DemBones]

4. In defense of "crazy shit," I've also seen video of

African babies being cut with razors to produce scarification patterns. And lots of cultures circumsize children (male and female), sometimes with crude implements and no anesthesia, plus piercing babies' earlobes, etc. We make our kids get vaccinations, sometimes undergo painful medical procedures, etc. All of these things have to do with parental beliefs inflicting pain on kids.

Just some thoughts I had after my initial OMG reaction to the Muslim children's heads being cut. If that were the worst thing Muslim extremists got up to, the world would be a lot safer. Unfortunately, there's all that business about raising kids to be martyrs.

[HEyHEY]

6. Well, that's what the head cutting was for

It was during a ceremony to celebrate being a martyr. Yeah, all the stuff in the schoolyard was pretty sick.... drawing class was practising drawing blood in martyr scenes.

[Aidoneus]

20. that is doubtful..

it was probably part of an `Ashura procession, which is not any celebration but in mourning.

Damn my repetitiveness, but you appear to be grossly misrepresenting your subject.

[progdonkey]

10. vaccinations

While I agree with most of your post, I happen to take umbrage at the inclusion of vaccinations on your list of strange beliefs being perpetrated on children by their parents.

Vaccinations are backed up by the most basic fundamentals of science. Of course, there are a few children here or there that might have allergic reactions, but I frankly think it's better to risk harming 10 children than to let an entire generation die of polio.

I find that the parents who don't take their children to be vaccinated are the ones inflicting great pain not only on their children, but also on those of others. If someone comes down with an incredibly deadly, but preventable, contagious disease, there needs to be a buffer of vaccinated people around that person to prevent the spread of the contagion. Without that buffer, a single outbreak could turn into a full epidemic, all because a bunch of parents were too stupid or too selfish to do their civic duty and get their children vaccinated.

Bottom line, the pain of getting a needle injection (and even possible allergic reaction) pales in comparison to the pain produced by an actual outbreak of the disease. I'm sure FDR would have been more than happy to have been innoculated with penicillin had it been available when he was a child.

[maggrwaggr]

5. well here in this cuntry we got them snake-grabbin folk

rattlesnakes no less. they just grab 'em, and the power uh God is so strong that them snakes don't bite nobody.

then there's some fellers who believe that God will cure their chilluns diseases, so they don't go to no doctors when they chilluns is sick. If the chilluns die, well I reckon it's the good lord's fault.

then we gots us a few million folks who shelled out eight or nine bucks a head to watch this fella Jesus get tortured and nailed and skinned alive for two whole hours.

[JayS]

7. What was the film PBS has on about jihadists in America? nt

n/t

[HEyHEY]

8. Haven't seen it

sorry

[JayS]

9. It was from back in 1995 or so. It was not recent. n/t

n/t

[abracadabra]

11. Yep- Islamic Extremists are nearly as Bad as Christian Fundamentalists

Fundamentalism is Fundamentalism--
no flexibility.
We have a big problem with the spread of it in this Country(the U.S.A.)

If these Christian Extremists(fundamentalists) have their way(which they now do I guess), they will try and make sure we do our best to kill all the Islamic Extremists.

Even worse though,
Fundamentalist Jerry Falwell, Pat Roberstson, and friends have devious adgendas.
They even admit they would like to usher in Armageddon so Jesus can appear in the sky and take all them "believers" right up to heaven....
they want to see this in their own lifetimes(so they don't have to die).,
Is this sanity?

These guys have their people,at this very moment, in strategic govt positions(even the office of pResident) and have their hands on the triggers of NUCLEAR BOMBS.

Destroy the world to make the world a better place--

the American Taliban = American Right Wing Christian Fundamentalists

[CHIMO]

18. Seems A

Matter of degree. Take in this presentation.

http://www.democracynow.org/index.pl

[DrWeird]

12. I was just watching a documentary about Iran.

Well, it was a travel show, Globetrekker. It's a beautiful country, completely unlike the West's image of it.

[rumguy]

14. In my mind radical fundamentalism is bad in any religion

I see the freeptard/evangelicals who thirst for muslim blood here in the US and who cheer whenever we kill as being the opposite side of the same coin as these muslim extremists.

They both need eachother in order to exist.

[lumpy]

15. We have our own

form of martyrdom celebrated in the form of memorials to those who have died to 'preserve our freedoms'. You know those freedoms granted to us by God and those who were willing to give their lives to preserve that freedom. Even if it means killing innocents.

[abracadabra]

16. there is no right time to do the wrong thing

"even if it means killing innocents" ???
WTF ?
as long as the innoocents aren't your friends or family right?
or yourself...
How 'bout if your mother or sister or brother or son was minding their own damn business and someone killed them because they said it was in the name of "freedom" ?
Like I said - there is no right time to do the wrong thing ...period !!


If someone atacks the U.S A. that's one thing but to invade a country that is, by all accounts, "contained" and poses no danger to even its own neighbors is a war of choice.
This will only awaken the "martyr" in all those being occupied.
We get what we deserve if we allow this to happen.

By the way, "freedom" does not mean freedom for corporations to do business and exploit the resources of other countries.

[maggrwaggr]

19. I think Lumpy was being highly "ironic"

to say the least.

[abracadabra]

23. oops ! my goof

niver mynd ...

[Aidoneus]

17. That is probably `Ashura

it is not celebration, but mourning. Nobody has ever known to have died in a thousand years of this.

[Aidoneus]

21. Do you have any more information on it?

I would be interested in the source.

The only similar title I can find is called "Dying for God: Martyrdom and the Making of Christianity and Judaism"..

oh, nevermind.. Wonk filled in where you did not.

[Aidoneus]

22. Right

the scene you describe is of `Ashura commemmorations. On the surface, the event mourns the sacrifice of Hazrat Imam Husayn(AS) for the highest of matters, though is more signifigant as becominging aware of the divisions that the Muslim ummah bleeds from. Which is ironic on some levels, but I doubt it would be appreciated, or even noticed, in this crowd (you don't seem too interested in knowing the subject before speaking so solidly on it, as you don't even get the basic facts remotely right before passing a firm judgement on them).

The conception of the world by whoever wrote that description begs for a hard slap of reality and context. So easily a more disconcerting list may be rattled off about some other subjects--Who will be targetted next and why? The entire city of Grozny. The soccer stadium-turned-mass grave in al-Fallujah. The Open Air Prison Complex & Firing Range in Gaza, the most densely populated and warzone in the world. The ruins of Nabatiyah, Beirut and all of south Lebanon (slightly older footage). The destroyed farmland and mass graves in Vietnam (still older footage). The blown out dams and destroyed villages in Korea (even older footage). The list of dictators enlisted to assist in the campaigns ... Watch the people in the countries responsible for this terrorism build memorials and hold holidays for their "heroes". ("Columbus Day", for fucks sake!) etc etc etc--, but I have a feeling that this other film won't be made..

Interesting note at the bottom:
In The Name of God: Scenes From The Extreme is directed by Emmy award-winning Israeli filmmaker Dan Setton.