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Ugnmoose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 08:51 PM
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Wow! Read what one conservative journalist says about *...awesome
http://reese.king-online.com/Reese_20040521/index.php

(snip)

Americans should realize that if they vote for President Bush's re-election, they are really voting for the architects of war — Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz and the rest of that cabal of neoconservative ideologues and their corporate backers.

I have sadly come to the conclusion that President Bush is merely a frontman, an empty suit, who is manipulated by the people in his administration. Bush has the most dangerously simplistic view of the world of any president in my memory.

It's no wonder the president avoids press conferences like the plague. Take away his cue cards and he can barely talk. Americans should be embarrassed that an Arab king (Abdullah of Jordan) spoke more fluently and articulately in English than our own president at their joint press conference recently.

(snip)

People who think of themselves as conservatives will really display their stupidity, as I did in the last election, by voting for Bush. Bush is as far from being a conservative as you can get. Well, he fooled me once, but he won't fool me twice.

It is not at all conservative to balloon government spending, to vastly increase the power of government, to show contempt for the Constitution and the rule of law, or to tell people that foreign outsourcing of American jobs is good for them, that giant fiscal and trade deficits don't matter, and that people should not know what their government is doing. Bush is the most prone-to-classify, the most secretive president in the 20th century. His administration leans dangerously toward the authoritarian.

(snip)

I will swallow a lot of petty policy differences with Kerry to get a man in the White House with brains enough not to blow up the world and us with it. Go to Kerry's Web site (www.johnkerry.com) and read some of the magazine profiles on him. You'll find that there is a great deal more to Kerry than the GOP attack dogs would have you believe.


Any real conservative worth his soul would feel the same way. It's pretty sick when the people who are supposed to be your hard core supporters feel this way. Maybe there is reason to hope after all!


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Lone_Wolf_Moderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 08:54 PM
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1. Smells like a paleo-con to me.
Don't forget how much the paleo-cons are troubled by Bush.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 08:59 PM
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4. Paleo-con?
Like Buchanan?

---------------------
An open letter to John Kerry and the DNC:
http://www.geocities.com/greenpartyvoter/OpenLetter.htm
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ikojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 09:02 PM
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5. Kevin Phillips is a former Republican
He says he is a registered independent.

A co-worker of mine said it was RR who caused her to leave the pug party. She felt the party then had been hijacked by the "religious" right.
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MsMagnificent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 08:57 PM
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2. Rats, deserting a sinking ship,
But it's STILL better than being a Lemming!!!
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 08:58 PM
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3. well, well...
Printed and posted at work tomorrow.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 09:29 PM
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16. let us know what happens
if anything
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OpSomBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 09:03 PM
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6. Sooner or later, people are going to realize that Bush isn't conservative.
Neither was Reagan. Conservatives, by definition, tend to conserve.
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 09:21 PM
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14. I agree how long is it gonna take tho?
A hundred years or more???
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priller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 09:43 PM
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20. That's what turned my conservative friend against Bush
One day I told him that Bush isn't a conservative, he's a radical. That made him stop and think, and now he's one of the biggest Bush-haters around.

My work is done here.
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 10:30 PM
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23. real conservatives HATE 'radicals'
well done :toast:

peace
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 09:52 PM
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21. Exactly. Bush is not and never has been conservative
Destroying the bill of rights is not conservative.
Invading countries preemptively is not conservative.
Gigantic deficit spending is not conservative.
Merging church and state is DEFINITELY not conservative.

The list goes on.

Bush is extremely radical (the opposite of conservative)
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FreedomReload Donating Member (171 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 09:03 PM
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7. This Guy Is Smarter Than The Average Conservative
But he makes the idiotic claim in another essay that an agnostic or atheistic society can't be successful. Oh well, common ground is important I guess.
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Ugnmoose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 09:07 PM
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9. Hey it's nice to have them on our side for a change
It looks like one thing true Libs and Conservatives can agree on is neither one wants Bushco to be re-selected. Amen!
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Taylor Mason Powell Donating Member (681 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 09:05 PM
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8. Wow, excellent.
A great piece. We need more of the paleo-cons to come out of the woodwork with editorials like this. And I think we are going to see exactly that. Reese has it absolutely right when he says:

"I will swallow a lot of petty policy differences with Kerry to get a man in the White House with brains enough not to blow up the world and us with it."

Isn't that what it's all about, really, in the end? Not blowing up the world? Call me a Pollyanna, but I think this is an issue that can unite people across party lines. "Where do you stand on the issue of blowing up the world?" "Well, I'd have to say I'm against it." "Me too! That's why I'm voting for John Kerry!" etc. etc.



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bread_and_roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 09:10 PM
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10. LOL, good take
"I think this is an issue that can unite people across party lines. "Where do you stand on the issue of blowing up the world?" "Well, I'd have to say I'm against it." "Me too! That's why I'm voting for John Kerry!" etc. etc."

I think I'll try that one:).
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 09:14 PM
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11. "Vote For a Man, Not a Puppet."
Thanks, Ugnmoose! That guy sure can turn a phrase!
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KC21304 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 09:16 PM
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12. I stumbled upon this Reese fellow just last year.
He has had some terrific columns since then but I can't quite pigeon- hole him. Has he been known as conservative in the past ? I thought maybe libertarian but not with that religious angle. I would really like to know more about him from someone who knows his history.
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Ugnmoose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 09:19 PM
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13. Sounds pretty mainstream conservative to me
"It is not at all conservative to balloon government spending, to vastly increase the power of government, to show contempt for the Constitution and the rule of law, or to tell people that foreign outsourcing of American jobs is good for them, that giant fiscal and trade deficits don't matter, and that people should not know what their government is doing. Bush is the most prone-to-classify, the most secretive president in the 20th century. His administration leans dangerously toward the authoritarian." Perhaps with a little Libertarian thrown in for good measure.
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takebackthewh Donating Member (182 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 09:29 PM
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17. He's hard to categorize.
For one thing, he hates Israel.
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 09:23 PM
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15. RIGHT ON
:headbang:
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pretzel4gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 09:30 PM
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18. national enquirer has 'bush sex scandal!'
on its frontal.....lol
bush really maybe kapuut :)
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Ugnmoose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 09:39 PM
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19. Ya gotta love it.
Isn't this the thing Larry Flynt has been dogging for several years?
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flaminbats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 10:20 PM
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22. Reagan's death has brought many conservatives to their senses...
Edited on Tue Jun-08-04 10:21 PM by flaminbats
I was watching Tom Delay's speech today with an older cousin who campaigned for Reagan. He almost went ballistic when Delay got to the part about how Reagan believed in less spending, smaller government being better, and following in Reagan's footsteps. "That fucking hypocrite!!!!" he yelled as he rushed toward the TV set...

I was afraid my Republican cousin was going to smash my only TV set, but I was barely able to pull the plug just before anything terrible happened! Later he told me that he would be voting against Bush for the very reasons that he once opposed Democrats...big spending, higher taxes, and Bush's amnesty program toward illegal immigrants. When I asked him about Kerry he indicated that he might not vote at all, but after I gave him a few good reasons...he smiled and said "I always knew you would be a good con man!"

From there the conversation drifted on to family matters. But this was the only time I have seen him get more pissed off than me at the Republican Party!
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