Help refute this e-mail!!!

[AnnitaR]

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You are not going to believe this e-mail that was sent to me from my BOSS!!! Want to help me refute this garbage? Please reply!

Here's the e-mail:
FDR led us into World War II. Germany never attacked us: Japan did. From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost, an average of 112,500 per year.

Truman finished that war and started one in Korea, North Korea never attacked us. From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost, an average of 18,333 per year.

John F. Kennedy started the Vietnam conflict in 1962. Vietnam never attacked us.

Johnson turned Vietnam into a quagmire. From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost, an average of 5,800 per year.

Clinton ! went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent, Bosnia never attacked us. He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three times by Sudan and did nothing. Osama has attacked us on multiple occasions.

In the two years since terrorists attacked us, President Bush has liberated two countries, crushed the Taliban, crippled al-Qaida, put nuclear inspectors in Lybia, Iran and North Korea without firing a shot, and captured a terrorist who slaughtered 300,000 of his own people. We lost 600 soldiers, an average of 300 a year. Bush did all this abroad while not allowing another terrorist attack at home. Worst president in history?
Come on!



The Democrats are complaining about how long the war is taking, but...

It took less time to take Iraq than it took Janet Reno to take the Branch Davidian compound. That was a 51 day operation.

We've been looking for evidence of chemical weapons in Iraq for less time than it took Hillary Clinton to find the Rose Law Firm billing records.

It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division and the Marines to destroy the Medina Republican Guard than it took Teddy Kennedy to call the police
after his Oldsmobile sank at Chappaquiddick.

It took less time to take Iraq than it took to count the votes in Florida!!!!

Our military and the Commander-in-Chief is GREAT! PASS IT ON.

[Eric J in MN]

1. Germany declared War on the US. after

Germany declared War on the U.S. after Japan bombed Pearl Harbor.

Germany declared was on us before we declared was on Germany.

[bluestateguy]

2. Sounds like a list of talk radio talking points

Full of cant and simplistic bumper sticker phrases.

[Walt Starr]

3. Take it up with HIS BOSS

This is wholly inappropriate behavior for somebody in management with regards to an employee. Take this to HR immediately.

[trag]

4. As far as I know.

Clinton did Bosnia through NATO to save lives. Not one US service person died. Feel free to correct me if I am wrong.

[katusha]

5. one small piece at a time

FDR led us into World War II. Germany never attacked us: Japan did. From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost, an average of 112,500 per year.

Japan attacked, militarily, the united states and the US declared war on Japan on 12/8/41. hitler declared war on US on 12/11/41.
http://www.law.ou.edu/hist/germwar.html

the total casualties in WW2 is approximately 50 million. US casualties make up around 1% of total while we contributed greatly in industry and personnel to the effort.

[katusha]

14. Korea

Truman finished that war and started one in Korea, North Korea never attacked us. From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost, an average of 18,333 per year.

north Korea invaded south Korea on June 25, 1950. America committed to the defense of a sovereign nation at the direction of the united nations, much as bush's father did for Kuwait.
http://www.trumanlibrary.org/whistlestop/study_collections/korea/large/week1/kw_3_1.htm

[katusha]

18. Vietnam

Johnson turned Vietnam into a quagmire. From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost, an average of 5,800 per year.

from 1969 to 1975 the white house was occupied by republican administrations so subtract 30,000 or so casualties off according to the cited math or you could look at the actual figures and note that the first death occurred in 1957.
http://www.angelfire.com/tx/wdf/deaths.html

[katusha]

23. terrorism

as far as the war on terror goes, i think this speaks for itself

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/latimests/20040609/ts_latimes/uswillrevisedataonterror

WASHINGTON — The State Department is scrambling to revise its annual report on global terrorism to acknowledge that it understated the number of deadly attacks in 2003, amid charges that the document is inaccurate and was politically manipulated by the Bush administration.

[shawn703]

25. Also, weren't the first troops in that area put there by Eisenhower? n/t

[LTR]

6. Uhhh...we haven't taken Iraq yet

If we have, why are so many soldiers dying?

[Name removed]

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[Gman]

7. This is as old as the hills

The old "Democrats have started every war in history", and especially, "the US started WWII." I believe Bob Dole threw this out in 1996. Anyone that's ever finished 5th grade (which exclude an awful lot of freepers) recognizes the fallacies immediately.

All you can do is pity the person sending that out because they probably believe it.

[BillZBubb]

8. This has been smashed before.

1. What the imbecile forgot to mention was that Germany declared war against us as part of their alliance with Japan. What was FDR gonna do, ignore that?

2. North Korea attacked a US ally--South Korea. What was Truman supposed to do, ignore our treaty and let the North swallow the South?

3. Serious U.S. involvement in VietNam began under Eisenhower. First he supported the French until they got beat, then he supported puppet regimes in the South.

4. Johnson AND Nixon turned VietNam into a quagmire.

5. Bosnia was actively murdering Muslims in Kosovo. What was Clinton supposed to do, let them get away with it? As for Bin Laden, that is a lie, he was NEVER offered Bin Laden by Sudan. Snopes has that I think.

6. There are no nuclear inspectors in North Korea. That is the problem. North Korea kicked them out BECAUSE of Bush*. They are now actively building nukes. The inspectors are back in Iran, but no thanks to Bush*. The Europeans did that without US interference. So far Bush* hasn't "liberated" any countries. Iraq and Afghanistan are still total basketcases. The people in both countries say they are worse off now than before. We also killed at least 40,000 Iraqi's (10,000 totally innocent civilians) in "liberating" them.

7. The last bit is hilarious. The idiot must have believed the "Mission Accomplished" propaganda. We've still got troops getting killed in both Afghanistan and Iraq daily. Nearly 150,000 troops in the field. I guess they don't count, since the war took less than the 51 days at Waco?

8. It's been over 1000 days since the Shrub said he'd round up Bin Laden and bring him to justice. Where is he Mr. Great Commander????

[Sparkly]

19. Gotta love the "Crippled Al Qaeda" part

Do these people ever read newspapers???!!!

Also, can they not exercise enough brain cells to realize that the reasons for the wars cited were at least factually correct? Europe in WWII, Vietnam, Bosnia etc.-- the factual bases for our going into battle were accurate. It wasn't about whether or not these countries attacked us. The issue is that Chimpy's rationale for invading Iraq was not accurate -- he said Iraq was an immediate threat to the US due to WMDs, and that was untrue. Can they really not understand the difference?!

[AnnitaR]

9. Thanks for the replies so far!

I am just APPALLED that my boss would send this crap to me! Using our supposedly work only e-mail!!

[Walt Starr]

10. Take it up with HR

Seriously, this is a horrible transgression for somebody in management.

[Cheswick2.0]

11. I can't wait for the grand unmasking on election night

You can't respond to this e-mail and had to post it here? Well your boss has a clever way to get right wing crap on DU.

[AnnitaR]

20. I could respond and have!

But I thought you guys would like to get a crack at the the crap that is being sent around these days!

Wanted to send the boss as many opinions as her inbox would allow.

Thanks for your pleasant reply though! :eyes:

[malatesta1137]

12. give me your boss'

email address, I will let him know a thing or two. I'm serious, don't de afraid, he won't know you had anything to do with it.

[sundancekid]

13. if this e-mail is being sent to you in the work place, this ...

... MAY BE a big legal problem for your boss -- get proper advice from a lawyer, HR, a union rep (if applicable) ... ask about harrassment in the workplace and/or the applicability of the Hatch Act ... also, be VERY careful about engaging/participating with your boss in "refuting" and somehow ratifying what your boss is doing ON COMPANY TIME (if that's the case) ...

[mitchtv]

15. he forgot Nixon

( Cambodia-Laos), Grenada. Remember the civilians in Panama City? the americans paid for the CIA's drug crazed Latin American adventures. Then there was Chile what a travest that was. The supported the most evil people. Ask Ike about the "intervention" in Guatemala.Add to that Hoover's laizze faire business policies- led to 1929.

[EndElectoral]

16. What about Nixon's promise in 68 in Vietnam?

I guess those dead from 68 though his regime don't count. Guess he was too busy with Watergate...and his VP Agnew being forced from office.

[rolodomo]

17. Riiight.....

Comparing our GIs in Iraq to the raid at the Branch Davidian compound?? Ask him if our soldiers serving in Iraq would appreciate that comparison. If the boss responds with something like "just joking, there is no comparison", then write back that you thought the e-mail was BS and you're glad he just confirmed it.

[xray s]

21. so I guess the point of your idiot boss's e-mail is...

Republicans didn't want us to fight Hitler and would rather of seen fascism control all the world. Gee, this isn't much of a surprise, since guys like Prescott Bush were running banks that financed the Nazi's.

Republicans would have rather seen communists overrun South Korea than fight them under a UN resolution approving the war.

Johnson screwed up Vietnam. No doubt about it. But the Republican who ran against him in 1964 wanted to start a nuclear war in Vietnam. Maybe WWIII with nukes. That's a better plan?

Clinton stopped the mass genocide of millions of Muslims in Bosnia. I guess that is why the Republicans don't care, because they think Islam is satanic, according to guys like Boykin.

The Taliban is still fighting. Osama is still around. al-Qaida is still plotting. The Bush administration has told us to expect another attack on US soil, and that this next attack would be much much worse than 9/11. People around the world hate the US. The military is in shambles.

But he has a point. Bush isn't the worst President in history, because he was never elected!

He is the worse puppet figurehead of a coup d'etat ever in history, though!

[Zen Democrat]

22. The Iraqi army didn't even fight, for Pete's sake! Some victory.

And I get sick of the Janet Reno/Branch Davidian thing. The ATF/FBI raid started on February 28, 1993, and was led by Attorney General William Sessions, who was appointed by Reagan in 1987. Sessions was in charge of the Ruby Ridge debacle, then the Branch Davidian raid in February 1993. Janet Reno didn't even become Attorney General until March 12, 1993 - 13 days into the seige - and, new on the job, she deferred to Sessions. Read the story on PBS Frontline. Sessions left in July 1993, and was replaced by Louie Freh, another Republican.