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JCMach1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-04 02:36 PM Original message |
Obama comments= Democratic talking point for the convention |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-04 02:37 PM Response to Original message |
1. And Dems will get enough of the votes in the middle to take back control.. |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-04 02:43 PM Response to Reply #1 |
7. How do Dems win swing votes while holding back our strongest arguments? |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-04 02:46 PM Response to Reply #7 |
13. Our strongest argument is NOT that Bush is evil and that Democrats |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-04 02:51 PM Response to Reply #13 |
20. I wrote that our strongest argument is that Bush is a liar |
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Eric J in MN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-04 12:36 AM Response to Reply #20 |
68. Yes, Bush is a liar is our best argument. People won't vote for |
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Sophree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-04 01:01 AM Response to Reply #20 |
83. I disagree. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-04 03:52 PM Response to Reply #7 |
34. Yes, I remember well how Bill Clinton Spewed Anger all through 1992... |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-04 04:43 PM Response to Reply #34 |
37. Read my lips, no new taxes |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-04 05:21 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. I think Kerry's been hittin the honesty issue pretty hard. |
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GiovanniC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-04 10:51 AM Response to Reply #7 |
102. Honesty? |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-04 11:15 AM Response to Reply #102 |
104. GOP "won" 2000 on this message: "we'll do everything Clinton did but |
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unfrigginreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-04 02:46 PM Response to Reply #1 |
12. Yeah, convincing voters in the middle... |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-04 02:49 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. Attacking Bush doesn't work. Telling us why you're the best works. '00... |
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unfrigginreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-04 02:52 PM Response to Reply #15 |
22. "You win an election by telling Americans what you're for." |
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Eric J in MN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-04 12:39 AM Response to Reply #15 |
71. That gesture by Al Gore being emphasized was a symptom |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-04 12:51 AM Response to Reply #71 |
79. I didn't need the press to interpret that one for me. I new it was a bad.. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-04 03:54 PM Response to Reply #12 |
36. I think convincing them he's incompetent (for which the evidence abounds) |
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chimpymustgo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-04 02:39 PM Response to Original message |
2. Please stop this. What is with this fury against our own people? |
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JCMach1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-04 02:41 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. I like Obama (he's great)! |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-04 02:47 PM Response to Reply #3 |
14. So has Dean, Jerald. They are having the speeches done for them. |
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JCMach1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-04 02:50 PM Response to Reply #14 |
18. One of things that really worries me about this race is the kind of |
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Rose Siding (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-04 02:53 PM Response to Reply #14 |
23. Kerry's the only one writing his own speech. |
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Blue_Roses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-04 02:42 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. EXACTLY |
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JCMach1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-04 02:43 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. Not disgust on my part... just trying to explain WHY he would say |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-04 02:44 PM Response to Reply #2 |
8. This is whe the Republicans do shit like the IWR and the IW: |
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Kanary (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-04 03:22 PM Response to Reply #2 |
29. you're providing the koolaid for that celebration party? |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-04 03:31 PM Response to Reply #2 |
30. It is not fury, it is called questioning. Jerald was quite right . |
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Sophree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-04 12:48 AM Response to Reply #30 |
77. madfloridian |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-04 12:54 AM Response to Reply #77 |
80. I have said I will vote for them. I have donated to them. |
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Sophree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-04 01:03 AM Response to Reply #80 |
84. Yes, you most certainly do. |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-04 02:42 PM Response to Original message |
5. It may draw in the middle |
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JCMach1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-04 02:45 PM Response to Reply #5 |
10. The Kerry people have done the polling and found the LEFT |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-04 02:50 PM Response to Reply #10 |
19. Why not stick? Do you think Kerry is going to invade Iran? Vote Nader... |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-04 12:43 AM Response to Reply #19 |
74. That is what he needs to tell us to earn our vote. |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-04 01:26 AM Response to Reply #74 |
90. You need to be told that? Isn't this perfectly clear? |
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chimpymustgo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-04 02:50 PM Response to Reply #5 |
17. "Push the left to Nader out of spite"...well it they're that STUPID... |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-04 02:54 PM Response to Reply #17 |
24. There will come a point for many on the left where they will see |
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joanski01 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-04 02:45 PM Response to Original message |
9. Don't worry, there will be |
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JCMach1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-04 02:46 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. I really don't see an Ann Richard's moment... |
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Rose Siding (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-04 02:49 PM Response to Original message |
16. Anger isn't 'electable' |
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JCMach1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-04 02:52 PM Response to Reply #16 |
21. Also Kerry and Edwards are in a 'doublebind' over Iraq |
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CaTeacher (983 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-04 02:57 PM Response to Reply #21 |
25. Well this sucks. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-04 02:59 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. Yes, be happy and accept your fate. |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-04 03:10 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. In an ideal world, no |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-04 03:16 PM Response to Original message |
28. Will you have the mild or really mild Pablum? |
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okasha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-04 03:43 PM Response to Reply #28 |
31. Barak Obama's remarks |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-04 03:43 PM Response to Original message |
32. Oh, What a crock.. |
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Sophree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-04 11:12 PM Response to Reply #32 |
40. A person who uses this tactic |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-04 01:33 AM Response to Reply #40 |
94. Yeppers. |
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WilliamPitt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-04 03:44 PM Response to Original message |
33. You're right. We're doomed. I'm voting Bush. |
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JohnLocke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-04 03:54 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. Excellent! |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-04 10:54 PM Response to Reply #35 |
39. Deleted message |
madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-04 11:18 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. AP, you slammed a great candidate. His Democratic party screwed him. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-04 11:31 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. And anyone would love to have the great job he has in UAE. |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-04 12:21 AM Response to Reply #44 |
56. If Obama is trying to get a job in the UAE, and can't because he hasn't |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-04 12:37 AM Response to Reply #56 |
69. Well, then best not be around me. |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-04 01:29 AM Response to Reply #69 |
91. How is complaining about Kerry going to end the war? |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-04 12:03 AM Response to Reply #41 |
50. When he apologizes to Obama... |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-04 12:11 AM Response to Reply #50 |
52. He did not insult Obama. You insulted Jerald, though. |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-04 12:18 AM Response to Reply #52 |
55. I'm really sick of DU'ers who don't like Dems who do what they |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-04 12:23 AM Response to Reply #55 |
58. Obama said the "good intentions" thing, so he did insult Obama. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-04 12:29 AM Response to Reply #58 |
60. That is very endearing to people who care about the war. |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-04 12:34 AM Response to Reply #60 |
64. I care about the war, but I also care about Dems winning in the fall so |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-04 12:38 AM Response to Reply #64 |
70. I disagree. One must run a moral campaign. |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-04 12:48 AM Response to Reply #70 |
76. I'm for being sensible. In My Life, Clinton makes the point that he drew |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-04 12:48 AM Response to Reply #70 |
78. Furthermore, if the war is your litmus test and you're willing to see |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-04 12:57 AM Response to Reply #78 |
81. That 's what everyone says. Accept it or else. |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-04 01:23 AM Response to Reply #81 |
89. Two things: |
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JohnKleeb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-04 01:32 AM Response to Reply #89 |
93. I agree 100% |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-04 01:38 AM Response to Reply #93 |
95. The war is the smokescreen the Republicans use to do that other stuff |
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JohnKleeb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-04 01:42 AM Response to Reply #95 |
96. as I said theres a war at home |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-04 01:50 AM Response to Reply #96 |
97. War is a part of the puzzle. The puzzle is the power transfer Republicans |
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JohnKleeb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-04 01:53 AM Response to Reply #97 |
98. I think they're doing a good job of handling them |
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Kanary (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-04 01:08 AM Response to Reply #78 |
87. Actually, the war is the "litmus" test for the majority. |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-04 01:20 AM Response to Reply #87 |
88. If you want to wage a campaign on being for or argainst the war, |
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Kanary (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-04 09:43 AM Response to Reply #88 |
99. you've made it quite clear that NOTHING I have to say is |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-04 10:48 AM Response to Reply #99 |
101. No. I agree with the goal 100%. I just disagree with strategy to get it. |
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Kanary (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-04 11:19 AM Response to Reply #101 |
105. and your strategy is working soooo well. |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-04 11:28 AM Response to Reply #105 |
106. Uhm, it actually is working well. The candidates who best exempified the |
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Kanary (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-04 11:48 AM Response to Reply #106 |
107. What I spent time delineating for you is solid conflict |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-04 11:57 AM Response to Reply #107 |
108. Me defending Obama is hitting you? Right. |
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Kanary (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-04 12:19 PM Response to Reply #108 |
109. Have fun with that division thing, fella...... |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-04 01:16 PM Response to Reply #109 |
110. Talk to the purist dividers for whom Obama doesn't meet their litmust test |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-04 12:40 AM Response to Reply #60 |
72. This is why far-left voters don't get what they want. |
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Kanary (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-04 12:46 AM Response to Reply #72 |
75. I appreciate you letting me know my vote isn't worth it. I guess that now |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-04 12:58 AM Response to Reply #75 |
82. It's up to you to make your vote worth it. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-04 01:03 AM Response to Reply #82 |
85. It is up to the candidate to earn our votes. |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-04 01:30 AM Response to Reply #85 |
92. Kerry has earned mine by proving that he's so serious about winning... |
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Kanary (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-04 01:04 AM Response to Reply #82 |
86. What did *any* of the issues of Dems not standing up to repugs |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-04 12:25 AM Response to Reply #55 |
59. Well, hell, I do that all the time. Does that mean I can't run for office |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-04 12:32 AM Response to Reply #59 |
62. I've criticized non-candidates for saying that here, and if you were |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-04 12:33 AM Response to Reply #62 |
63. And you have what authority to do that? |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-04 12:35 AM Response to Reply #63 |
66. Look around. Being judgmental is 99% of the essence of DU. If you don't |
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JohnKleeb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-04 12:30 AM Response to Reply #55 |
61. if people had criticized Obama rationally I might not had been so upset |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-04 12:34 AM Response to Reply #61 |
65. Jerald did not do that. |
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JohnKleeb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-04 12:35 AM Response to Reply #65 |
67. but people were doing it all day |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-04 12:41 AM Response to Reply #67 |
73. Jerald didn't, and I didn't. |
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Norquist Nemesis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-04 11:20 PM Response to Original message |
42. Get real and come down to earth |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-04 11:27 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. You do not need the base, is that what you are saying? |
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Norquist Nemesis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-04 11:37 PM Response to Reply #43 |
48. Not at all! |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-04 12:03 AM Response to Reply #48 |
49. That is how we did it in 2000 and 2002. |
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Elbowroom (257 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-04 11:35 PM Response to Original message |
45. what the fuck? |
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JohnKleeb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-04 11:36 PM Response to Original message |
46. a DLC love fest? |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-04 11:36 PM Response to Original message |
47. Kicking this for Jerald. |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-04 12:10 AM Response to Reply #47 |
51. He also started a stupid thread. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-04 12:13 AM Response to Reply #51 |
53. It was a true thread, not stupid. |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-04 12:17 AM Response to Reply #53 |
54. I think it's a valid thing to bring up. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-04 12:22 AM Response to Reply #54 |
57. He is not a politician now. He was brought down by his DEC. |
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clyrc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-04 10:20 AM Response to Original message |
100. Thank You , madfloridian |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-04 11:08 AM Response to Reply #100 |
103. You are most welcome, Crystal. |
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JCMach1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-04 05:17 PM Response to Original message |
111. Looks like people get a little short-tempered around elections |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-04 05:24 PM Response to Reply #111 |
112. Heck, no problem. Obama is a Dean Dozen, and we donated to him. |
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