|
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend Bookmark this thread |
This topic is archived. |
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (Through 2005) |
dumpster_baby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 06:22 PM Original message |
David Brooks: "Howard Dean was a Liberal for about 6 months" |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
PROGRESSIVE1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 06:23 PM Response to Original message |
1. Brooks is right! |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 06:23 PM Response to Original message |
2. What Gov. Dean did was fight. (nt) |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
kaitykaity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 06:25 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Amen. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 06:25 PM Response to Original message |
3. Dean has shifted, which doenst really matter at all. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Pastiche423 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 06:42 PM Response to Reply #3 |
25. Dean was always saying the right things |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 06:43 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. He was more centrist in vermont than in the primary and since |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
TeacherCreature (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 07:06 PM Response to Reply #28 |
55. bull |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 07:11 PM Response to Reply #55 |
62. Confused about what? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
TeacherCreature (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 07:05 PM Response to Reply #3 |
54. He is exactly who he always was...why is this so confusing to everyone? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Beaverhausen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 06:26 PM Response to Original message |
5. yeah, that hilarious pro-choice, pro-environment, pro-union stance of his |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Bombtrack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 07:28 PM Response to Reply #5 |
90. Pro-Environment? Yeah, selling out Vermont to IBM's de-regulatory wishes |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 06:26 PM Response to Original message |
6. Allow me to clear this up for you. Dean's supporters didn't box him into |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 06:28 PM Response to Reply #6 |
10. And DUers did as well. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 06:29 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. DU-ers did, but we supporters always KNEW Dean, didn't we? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Uzybone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 06:59 PM Response to Reply #10 |
47. well I never called him a liberal |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
TeacherCreature (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 07:07 PM Response to Reply #47 |
57. no it is accurate |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 07:12 PM Response to Reply #47 |
63. We have been treated like left wing fools since last year. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 06:35 PM Response to Reply #6 |
17. The media desperately wanted the election to focus on one issue: war |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
dumpster_baby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 06:55 PM Response to Reply #17 |
39. interesting comment, AP! |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
unfrigginreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 07:27 PM Response to Reply #17 |
86. Biggest. Bunch. Of. Bullshit. Ever. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 07:42 PM Response to Reply #86 |
99. truth hurts? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Book Lover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 06:26 PM Response to Original message |
7. David, join the Democratic party and |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
mandyky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 06:27 PM Response to Original message |
8. Dean never claimed to be a liberal |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 06:28 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. Thats not true, he ran to the left, clearly he did it on purpose |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 06:30 PM Response to Reply #11 |
15. No your mistaken. Dean said if "balanced budgets make me a liberal" |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 06:37 PM Response to Reply #11 |
20. No, he did not. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
unfrigginreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 06:37 PM Response to Reply #11 |
21. I don't think so. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 06:40 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. Fine delude yourselves guys. But this is basic politics. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
unfrigginreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 06:44 PM Response to Reply #23 |
31. Running as an outsider does not mean that he ran as a liberal. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 06:46 PM Response to Reply #31 |
32. Oh come on! |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
unfrigginreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 06:50 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. You find it surprising that liberals might be attracted to someone... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 06:52 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. When did I say that? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
unfrigginreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 06:56 PM Response to Reply #35 |
41. No, he had a more centrist message than the conservatives in the race. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 06:57 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. So now you agree with me? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
unfrigginreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 07:00 PM Response to Reply #43 |
48. Huh? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 07:12 PM Response to Reply #48 |
65. The center is not an ideology, it is a position in a spectrum. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
TeacherCreature (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 07:15 PM Response to Reply #32 |
70. wrong again |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 07:26 PM Response to Reply #70 |
85. Even if he agreed with Kerry on everything but the war, |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
TeacherCreature (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 07:11 PM Response to Reply #23 |
61. wrong again KW |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 07:13 PM Response to Reply #61 |
67. And I guess he ran as rainbows and sunshine too. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
TeacherCreature (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 07:17 PM Response to Reply #67 |
71. I am sorry you have no idea of what you are talking about |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 07:21 PM Response to Reply #71 |
75. Try giving me actual points rather than telling me silly things like |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Jax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 06:38 PM Response to Reply #11 |
22. No. YOU are wrong. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 06:43 PM Response to Reply #11 |
29. nope. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 06:47 PM Response to Reply #29 |
33. Wel of course he was liberal. But in the battle of words |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 06:53 PM Response to Reply #33 |
37. "of course he was liberal" |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 06:54 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. Do you know what liberal means? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 06:56 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. I'm pretty sure I do, |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 06:58 PM Response to Reply #40 |
44. Then you should know that liberal is not the fringe left, but in fact, |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 07:03 PM Response to Reply #44 |
51. actually, no. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 07:10 PM Response to Reply #51 |
59. youve got it backwards |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 07:14 PM Response to Reply #59 |
68. ? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 07:17 PM Response to Reply #68 |
73. you are confusing actions and words |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 07:22 PM Response to Reply #73 |
77. answer the question. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 07:24 PM Response to Reply #77 |
81. Of course not. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
JohnKleeb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 06:56 PM Response to Reply #38 |
42. can we agree that Dean though personally a centrist did run to the left |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 06:58 PM Response to Reply #42 |
46. sounds fair to me. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
JohnKleeb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 07:02 PM Response to Reply #46 |
50. well you know what I mean |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 07:14 PM Response to Reply #46 |
69. am I ugly or something, thats exactly what I said |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 07:17 PM Response to Reply #69 |
72. I have no idea whether or not you're ugly |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 07:23 PM Response to Reply #72 |
79. I think ive covered this in the other post, but |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 07:25 PM Response to Reply #79 |
82. ok, now you're making no sense. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 07:27 PM Response to Reply #82 |
87. Thats all ive said on this thread, nothing more n/t |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 07:31 PM Response to Reply #87 |
92. ok, then - centrist is liberal, liberal is centrist. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 07:32 PM Response to Reply #92 |
93. Fine, agree with the republicans for all I care |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
JohnKleeb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 07:38 PM Response to Reply #93 |
96. I pmed you |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 09:33 PM Response to Reply #93 |
104. sarcasm escapes you, doesn't it? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
JohnKleeb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 07:28 PM Response to Reply #69 |
89. you basically said what I said but not exactly |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
TeacherCreature (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 07:21 PM Response to Reply #42 |
76. if other people didn't know who Dean was it wasn't because he ran |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
TeacherCreature (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 07:22 PM Response to Reply #38 |
78. LOL, asking Uly if he knows what liberal means............. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 07:25 PM Response to Reply #78 |
83. lol at what? do you know what it means, im seeing some real confusion here |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
TeacherCreature (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 07:36 PM Response to Reply #83 |
94. what confusion do you see? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 07:39 PM Response to Reply #94 |
97. Do you even read my posts? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
JohnKleeb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 07:43 PM Response to Reply #97 |
100. I think you got it |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
TeacherCreature (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 07:19 PM Response to Reply #29 |
74. Thank you Uly |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 07:23 PM Response to Reply #74 |
80. actually, I did support Dean. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
TeacherCreature (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 07:37 PM Response to Reply #80 |
95. OIC, I think I must have forgotten |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 07:07 PM Response to Reply #11 |
56. The official biography on his website called him a moderate |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
TeacherCreature (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 07:28 PM Response to Reply #56 |
88. and delivered almost universal healthcare, reduced child abuse and |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
TeacherCreature (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 07:10 PM Response to Reply #11 |
58. you are wrong |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 07:29 PM Response to Reply #58 |
91. Erm, left on some issues is in fact still to the left |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
TeacherCreature (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 07:39 PM Response to Reply #91 |
98. he didn't change for the campaign and hasn't changed since |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 07:54 PM Response to Reply #98 |
102. To believe that any politician hasnt changed his message |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
unfrigginreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 06:27 PM Response to Original message |
9. Dean's critics labeled him a liberal...not Dean or his supporters. nt |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 06:29 PM Response to Original message |
13. Brooks is an asshole. He wrote an article about how only Episcopalians who |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
JohnKleeb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 06:33 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. yes I remember that |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 06:37 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. I think his boarding school, St George's, is episcopalian... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
JohnKleeb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 06:43 PM Response to Reply #19 |
30. yes St. George's is just that Episcopalian |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 06:41 PM Response to Reply #16 |
24. Congregationalist nt |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
JohnKleeb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 06:42 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. I cant spell but thank you |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
mandyky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 06:29 PM Response to Original message |
14. Dean is a progressive populist |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
dumpster_baby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 06:58 PM Response to Reply #14 |
45. Yes, and I am a Vulcan. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Feanorcurufinwe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 06:35 PM Response to Original message |
18. Labels are just another form of namecalling. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Fleshdancer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 06:42 PM Response to Original message |
26. He was pegged as being a liberal because he was anti-Iraq war |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 06:53 PM Response to Original message |
36. Fuck David Brooks - Just Watch Dean Tonight |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
AntiCoup2K4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 07:02 PM Response to Original message |
49. Maybe the reason that Dean was percieved as a "liberal" |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Fleshdancer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 07:04 PM Response to Reply #49 |
52. ding ding ding! we have a winner!!! n/t |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 07:13 PM Response to Reply #49 |
66. They labeled him. DLC/PPI labeled him. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
TeacherCreature (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 07:04 PM Response to Original message |
53. his supporters knew who he was, it's the rest of you who were confused |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Selwynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 07:12 PM Response to Reply #53 |
64. He was socially moderate and fiscally conservative, but yeah... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Selwynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 07:11 PM Response to Original message |
60. People loved dean because of his passion and his fight.... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
bossfish (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 07:26 PM Response to Original message |
84. and David Brooks was hanging off my ass... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Tweed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 07:47 PM Response to Original message |
101. Brooks is 100% correct. DEAN IS DLC folks! |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
TeacherCreature (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 08:31 PM Response to Reply #101 |
103. he is centrist on some issues so he must be DLC |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) | Sun May 05th 2024, 02:46 AM Response to Original message |
Advertisements [?] |
Top |
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (Through 2005) |
Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators
Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.
Home | Discussion Forums | Journals | Store | Donate
About DU | Contact Us | Privacy Policy
Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.
© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC