do christians hate abortion only b/c of thou shall not kill?

[gWbush is Mabus]

or are there other biblical references/ reasons as well?

[bobroberts]

1. it is viewed as the killing of an innocent child...eom

[the Kelly Gang]

15. and what about innocent Iraqi children ?

[bobroberts]

19. I guess it's the difference between

intenional and non-intentional...and being in 'war' always modifies rules

[papau]

2. Old Testament says harm to a fetus after quickening causing loss of

fetus is a loss of life.

Prior to quickening it is a civil fine for a non-life loss.

That was majority interpretation for a few thousand years - although some anti-choice folks note that other readings/interpretations are possible (a bit of a stretch, IMHO, but still possible) and indeed have been advanced over the years.

[gWbush is Mabus]

8. can u reference the chapter and lines?

and what is "quickening"?


thanks

[AngryOldDem]

12. Quickening is...

...when the fetus shows palpable signs of life, i.e. movement that can be felt.

[atreides1]

13. Quickening

Is defined as the first time that a mother feels the child move in her womb. It is usually between 18 and 24 weeks gestation.

The Catholic church would allow abortion up until the 17th week, this was from the middle 14th Century(late 1300's) until 1869 when the church changed it's views, mainly, it is reported for political reasons.

[jeff30997]

3. Maybe it have something to do with...

(I'm paraphrasing here)"Go and reproduce like rabbits or something".I know it in French(I'm French Canadian) but in English i don't have a clue about what it is.:shrug:

[russian33]

4. can't be that, they loooove capital punishment

[Bertha Venation]

5. that's the crux of it, but i think there's more

The biblical doctrine of misogyny comes into play, as does the "downfall of the traditional family" thing. Fundies are major contributors to miserable marriages nationwide. Oops! You fornicated and got pregnant?! Better do the right thing -- marry the boy! :eyes:

BTW a great many Christians are not opposed to the right to choose.

[prodigal_green]

6. depends. Real pro-lifers are anti-war and anti-death-penalty too

For the most part though, it is about controlling women.

BTW, most of my family are Catholic and while we've had some disagreements about choice (I'm pro-choice, they've come around in the past few years), they have always been actively opposed to war, militarism and the death penalty, so I can at least respect their position. They also support day-care, health-care and education, which would make the choice to carry a pregnancy to term a lot easier to make.

[sffreeways]

7. No birth control !

The church does not want the masses to use birth control of any kind. It interferes with the cash flow.

[noonwitch]

9. There's a verse in Psalms about God having known David in the womb

I don't know exactly which chapter and verse, but I've seen/heard it quoted before.

[Cheswick2.0]

18. psalm 139

For you created my inmost being;
you knit me together in my mother's womb.
14 I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made;
your works are wonderful,
I know that full well.
15 My frame was not hidden from you
when I was made in the secret place.
When I was woven together in the depths of the earth,
16 your eyes saw my unformed body.
All the days ordained for me
were written in your book
before one of them came to be.

[ugarte]

10. No birth control=less sex

And we all know sex is evil and disgusting.

[TexasBushwhacker]

11. They will say it's because it's an innocent child

and that's how they are able to support capital punishment at the same time. But when you suggest sex education and condoms being available in high schools, they say no, sex education has to be abstinence only. Ultimately, I've found many are anti-sex for anything other than babymaking.

[gottaB]

14. I think that's the fundamental reason

explicitly, anyway

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s2c2a5.htm

[Cheswick2.0]

16. I'm a Christian and I don't hate abortion

[LanternWaste]

17. Here are a a few verses...

Here are a few verses (open to interpretation and textual criticism, of course) from which some inferences may be made...

Job 31:15 Did not he that made me in the womb make him? and did not one fashion us in the womb?

Job 3:11 Why died I not from the womb? did I give up the ghost when I came out of the belly?

Jdg 13:7 But he said unto me, Behold, thou shalt conceive, and bear a son; and now drink no wine nor strong drink, neither eat any unclean : for the child shall be a Nazarite to God from the womb to the day of his death.

Gen 25:24 And when her days to be delivered were fulfilled, behold, twins in her womb.