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cease_fire Donating Member (159 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-25-04 10:41 PM
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ENCYCLOPEDIA of TALKING POINTS - Post Yours NOW!
Edited on Sat Sep-25-04 11:00 PM by cease_fire
It's so pathetic.

CBS has run from airing a controversial story about the conflagration also know as the Iraq war.

Right Wing Media is now calling other Right Wing Media outlets "Liberal Media" whenever they express an opposing view point.

The political chat rooms are full of media-washed lemmings that have guzzled 2 word catch-phrases (flip-flopper) and short syllable sentences (Freedom is on the March) because they are easy to remember and require no research.

Half-truth talking points are validated by more half truths and vindicated by lies and opinion.

The ultimate result is that the REAL issues end up as so many raindrops in a torrent ocean of false patriotism and fear mongering.

I’ve had enough. And I believe there is a solution:

The other day while I watched and listened to the personal attacks from Repukes fly at the intellectual liberals in a chat room, I finally heard..

….a ray of hope.

One woman got on the microphone in Yahoo Political Chat and absolutely DESTROYED every single talking point, ever single meme, and every single outright LIE that has polluted the discourse of this election.

I sat at my lap top, head phoned, in awe.

All I could do was type in:

"Claudia2Cool=Batwoman"

And with that, I realized again–

This is a propaganda war. This is an election of perceptions.

It's clear that the "Best Man for the Job" mandate no longer applies.

And just like high school where the most popular were often the most disingenuous and least intellectual, they still ruled the hallways and prom nights because of the lowest common denominator’s insipient need to "belong to the right group think".


So, I'm asking all of you to help. In my dream of dreams, this would become its own section - at least until November 3rd. Mods – PM me if I can make this happen if you think it’s a worthy idea. I’ll contribute cash money.

Please help us all by making this thread a "Book Markable" resource.

I want to create a repository of Talking Points, Links, Exposed Lies, and Ammunition for Truth.

We need an ENCYCLOPEDIA of TALKING POINTS !!!!

I know many of you have invested your time and energy researching information to refute the scum that's being slung in this campaign. Now, please take a moment to share that research with all of us so we can be prepared.

I want to invade the Blogs, post in forums, and dominate the chat rooms with irrefutable facts. I want to give those voters who are looking for intelligent reasons from their peers to vote for the challenger.


This is the most important election of our time, and it's clear that it will be won or lost on public opinion. Our nominee needs our help, and if the internet is the street fight of this campaign, then let this place be where our citizens come to get their ammunition.

No more excuses. No more "I'll do it tomorrow". Act up, copy and past what you have, or endure the consequences...


I'll post my research in the first reply to this post.

CF
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cease_fire Donating Member (159 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-25-04 10:45 PM
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1. Talking Point - "Bush is a Stong Leader"
Edited on Sat Sep-25-04 11:02 PM by cease_fire
Clearly, the Bush campaign is using Karl Rove¡¦s technique of attacking Senator John Kerry's Strengths.

The American Public seems to be swallowing this load of garbage.

It¡¦s time for a little turnabout.

If Bush wants to run the Attributes of Strength, Strong Leadership and Decisive Character, let's examine these qualities and weave a perspective for the undecided voter.

After all, if he's gonna make an issue out of it, shouldn't we?


Here's some of the talking points that I used:

Myth:

Myth 1 --> GW is a Strong and Decisive leader. He acted with authority after the events of 9/11¡¨


Oh yes?

First, I'd like to ask a few rhetorical questions;

1) Why should the President of this country be applauded for attacking Afghanistan after the single largest attack on American soil in the history of our country? TELL ME - WHAT ELECTED OFFICIAL WHOULD NOT HAVE COUNTER ATTACKED?

Doesn't that speak to the root of the "Strength" Issue? When 3,000 American citizens die from a terror attack, our leaders had NO CHOICE but to react.

So, how does having the support of 92% of every citizen in this country, and the support of nearly every nation on the fact of this planet, make GW a Strong and Decisive Leader in the war on Terror ¡V at least in Afghanistan?

Sure, things have changed now. Cowboy warrior Bush is itching to exterminate some terrorist wherever he can find them. Funny how that's changed because;

On May 5th, 2001 AG John Ashcroft outlines 7 strategic budget goals for the Department of Justice. Counter Terrorism is NOT included anywhere. (Source: http://www.americanprogress.org/site/pp.asp?c=biJRJ8OVF&b=39039)

What's really tragic about that little AG gaffe is that on May 8th, 1998, Janet Reno make Counter Terrorism the DOJ's TOP PRIORITY.

Here's some more interesting facts about this country¡¦s pre-9/11 Anti-Terrorism Preparedness¡K

0 - Number of meetings held by Vice President Cheney's counterterrorism task force (which was created in May 2001)

0 - References to Al Qaeda in Dr. Rice's 2000 Foreign Affairs article listing Bush's top foreign affairs priorities

0 - References to Al Qaeda in Secretary Rumsfeld 2001 memo outlining national security priorities

2 - Number of National Security Council meetings on terrorism prior to 9-11 (out of approximately 100).

8 - Months the administration sat on an "urgent" request from its counterterrorism chief (Clarke) to meet about al Qaeda.

2) We waited 6 weeks to respond to Afghanistan with an Air Assault. We put approximately 250 Special Forces personnel on the ground to help coordinate the attacks.

Anyone remember Desert Storm? How long did it take for the US to mass a coalition of over half a million troops and place them squarely in defense of Saudi Arabia?

About 6 weeks.

In fact, it took 5 days from the time Saddam invaded Kuwait before the first US troops began to arrive in Saudi Arabia. (Source: defenselink.mil - Iraq invades Kuwait, Aug. 2, 1990. Operation Desert Shield begins, Aug. 7. )

The fact is, Afghanistan STILL harbors most of the leadership components of Al-Qaeda. It's shared Boarder with Pakistan is the location where 75% of AQ deaths and captures take place.

Here's an interesting news report citing the success of GW's war on terror, specifically in Afghanistan;

"Intelligence indicates some al Qaeda training camps have been reactivated along Pakistan's border with southeastern Afghanistan, defense and intelligence sources told CNN."

As reported by CNN on AUGUST 5, 2004. A month ago.

(Source: http://edition.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/asiapcf/08/05/qaeda.camps/)

"Decisive"? I don't think so.

3) Over 80% of the US causalities in the Iraq war occurred AFTER Major Combat Operations were declared complete.
Once again, the US Military executed a lightning fast campaign-exactly what they are trained to do - exactly what they are mandated to do.

SOP for any type of military engagement is to turn over the "management" of the post combat environment to the State Department of the US.

This did not happen. Instead, the DOD maintained control of the Post Iraq situation, and under Donald Rumsfeld¡¦s leadership, the peace was not won.

Clearly, the post war planning of the Bush administration neglected a plan to stabilize the Iraq political environment, return services to it's people, and implement a legitimate government.

The results of this not-so-decisive leadership are the following:
Over 1,000 US Soldiers Killed
Over 7,000 US Soldiers Wounded
Over 11,000 Iraqi Civilians Killed
From the US perspective, nearly 9 times the number of casualties have resulted from "Peace" in Iraq than were inflicted during a time of "War".


A Decisive Blunder.

4) America is Safer.

We've head this one approximately 127 times, and 7 times during just one of Bush's speeches. Here are the facts:

1) In 2001 there were 124 acts of terror globally.
In 2003, there was 175 acts - an increase of 41% - the highest incidence of terrorism in 20 years. (Source - US State Department)

2) Our Boarders are nearly open. "America has lost control of its borders," said Steve Camarota, research director for Center for Immigration Studies

In fact, according to the center for Immigration Studies, in 2003, approximately 78,000 illegal aliens are from countries that are of "Special Concern" in the war on terror. And we're not talking about Mexicans. In the first 9 months of 2004, 122 Pakistanis were caught crossing the boarder.

Less Than 10 Percent of the Nation's Border Agents Secure the Northern Border

Of the 9,500 Boarder Patrol Agents that patrol both US boarders, 1,000 are assigned to patrol the boarder with Canada, despite the FACT that Canadian Security and Intelligence Services acknowledge that Al Qaeda maintain active cells and personnel in their country. Our government knows about this.

(Source Washington Post, 12/25/02)

3) Port Security - Currently, we are only inspecting two percent of containers entering the U.S.

The US Coast Guard has requested 5.4 Billion dollars over the next 10 years to asses and correct the vulnerabilities of the nations ports. The Bush Administration will not request those funds until 2005. In fact, their first request will be for $46 Million Dollars for "Port Protection"

ABC News conducted a test to determine how safe our Ports were by sending a container of Depleted Uranium from Jakarta to Los Angeles. Customs didn't detect it - TWICE! (Source http://abcnews.go.com/sections/wnt/Primetime/sept11_uranium030910.html)

(Source http://hollings.senate.gov/~hollings/statements/2003327453.html)

4) The Nuclear Regulatory Commission has NOT increased the human security (Security Personnel), the security infrastructure (Thickness of Nuclear Containment), or the intelligence security (Employee background checks) of it's over 100 Nuclear Facilities.

(Source : http://www.thebulletin.org/issues/2003/mj03/mj03hirsch.html) and (Democratic Members of the House Select Committee on Homeland Security, America at Risk, 1/04])


5) Bush is Strong on the War on Terror and attacking Iraq was key to that war.

Holy Crap! Are you kidding? Where do we start?

First, the CIA disagrees:

"Analysts at the Central Intelligence Agency have complained that senior administration officials have exaggerated the significance of some intelligence reports about Iraq, particularly about its possible links to terrorism, in order to strengthen their political argument for war, government officials said."

And then, the FBI agrees with the CIA DISAGREEING (that one was for Rumsfeld):

"At the Federal Bureau of Investigation, some investigators said they were baffled by the Bush administration's insistence on a solid link between Iraq and Osama bin Laden's network. "We've been looking at this hard for more than a year and you know what, we just don't think it's there," a government official said."

(Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2003/02/02/international/middleeast/02INTE.html)

Second, that pesky 9/11 Commission doesn't think that Saddam had anything to do with Al Qaeda either...

(Source: http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/07/06/cheney.911/)

So, Instead of including the 30 or so pages of the 9/11 commission report that completely discredits this conclusion (which VP Dick Cheney seems to ignore) here¡¦s a statement from another guy¡K

"August 7, 2003 - Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz, one of the main architects for the invasion of Iraq, admitted for the first time that Iraq had nothing to do with the September 11 "terrorist" attacks"

(Source : http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/080703Leopold/080703leopold.html)

It's no wonder that Bush opposed the formation of the 9/11 commission in the first place:
(Source: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/05/15/attack/main509096.shtml)

It seems that he didn¡¦t want anyone to know how we acquired our intelligence. You know, the intelligence that warned us not to "Let the smoking gun become a mushroom cloud"?

Yea - that intelligence.

But opposing the 9/11 commission wasn't enough. He also opposed a request by the commission to extend the investigation for 2 months:
(http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0119-02.htm)

Bush was shouted down and lost interest. So, he decided to cause some trouble somewhere else -

Bush initially opposed the Homeland Security Act, but since Senator Lieberman had the votes to pass his bill called "National Homeland Security and Combating Terrorism Act", Bush suddenly got on board and sponsored the Bill. Then, he removed all labor rights of those who serve under the act.

(Source: www.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/11/25/homeland.security)

But, one would think that once the Homeland Security Department was up and running that we could all breath a sigh of relief.
Except that:

"Homeland Security Intelligence Still Not Shared With Federal and State Officials."

Wasn't that the whole purpose of the HSD? It's not just the pretty colors, right? But;

As of this year, 13% if Federal Officials believe that the new level of intelligence sharing between federal, state, and local authorities was adequate.

(Source: Select Committee on Homeland Security Democrats, 1/04)

Well, at least they got funded...

"Bush Cuts Funding for State and Local Homeland Security Grants by $800 Million." (Source : Department of Homeland Security, 2005 Budget in Brief, www.dhs.gov)

Whoops.

And even while Ted Kennedy is prevented from flying because he is on a Transit Authorities watch list, according to the Congressional Quarterly on 3/02/04...

"There is Still No Unified Terrorist Watch List" In fact, no one agency maintains a comprehensive list of database. In fact, on March 2004, some of the DHS officials suggest that "a consolidated list would not be necessary".

Oh.

Still, we are, more or less, at war. So when you've finished schooling your Republican Friends about the lies of GW, I'm sure they'll start to toss this olde but goody around...

"Kerry is a Flip Flopper. He says at first he voted FOR the $87 Billion Supplemental and then he voted AGAINST it.

Ask them this one simple question:

"So, if he voted FOR it the first time, Why didn't it pass?"


After letting that exquisite moment of stunned silence effuse through the air, let them off the hook - but not just yet.

Let them know that;

-- The Bush administration threatened for the first time Tuesday to veto an $87 billion package for Iraq and Afghanistan (October 22, 2003, WASHINGTON (AP))

Why did Bush threaten a veto? Because John Kerry and Joseph Biden proposed that because we are at war, the US government should follow Standard Operating Procedure and roll back a part of Bush¡¦s tax cut for the top 1% of America's wealthiest.

You know 'Shared Sacrifice'? (Although I think Senator Charlie Rangel on 05/05/2004 was talking about re-instituting the DRAFT, not tax cuts. Kids go to war but the rich keep their money. Sorry, I digress).

You see, in WWI, WWII, and Vietnam, this is how we managed the financial costs associated with War time activities.

In fact "In 1943, America's most affluent households faced a 93 percent tax rate on all their income over $200,000. The next year, 1944, the nation's top tax rate would rise even higher, to 94 percent on income over $200,000¡Xthe highest rate in American history." (Us Bureau of Labor and Statistics)

Even though Bush has raided social security to help fund the war effort, he decided that rolling back a tax cut on the top 1% of Americans was MORE IMPORTANT than our troops.


BUSH threatened to KILL the supplemental Funding. So actually, BUSH FLIP FLOPPED.

According to a head count of probable Senator votes, Kerry knew that the new bill, sans tax rollback, would pass easily.
So, he stood on a protest vote.

The bottom line? The tax cuts that GW instituted are valued at 680 Billion Dollars. But rather than take back less than 13% of that cut, we are now borrowing money to give to Iraq.

(Source: http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/president/2004-03-16-kerry-veterans_x.htm)

Not to mention one little tidbit of non-reported info -

It wasn't $87 Billion for the Troops. It was $67. The other $20 Billion dollars (or, about the same amount of money that would have been required to provide health care for 11 Million children under the age of 18) was designated as a BLANK CHECK that would be used to "Rebuild Iraq."

"We have to borrow that $10 billion ourselves to give it to Iraq as a gift," said Representative Dana Rohrabacher, a conservative Republican from California


Edited for Typo


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AmyStrange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-25-04 10:57 PM
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2. WHOA loads of good sh*t here...

I'm bookmarking this thread!!!

(psssst I hate to be nitpicky but could you fix your subj line pleeeeease - "taling" to "talking" - it's driving me bat sh*t - thanx)

d

someone should make a website of all these like I did for the DU slang dictionary:

http://DUG.SeattleActivist.org/
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AmyStrange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-25-04 11:01 PM
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3. PS: (welcome to the DU)...

check out the DU slang dictionary for a beginners explanation on slang used here at the DU. It's an officially "unofficial" source that all the coffee jocks are talking about - well I can dream can't I,

d

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cease_fire Donating Member (159 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-25-04 11:06 PM
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5. Talking Points - Bill Clinton and Al Gore
Do you ever get sick and tired of the BS about the Clinton Presidency?

You know, like the lie about how he really didn't create that many jobs or he let Osama Bin Forgotten go 3 times?

Well, here's everything you ever wanted to know about the best prez we've had in a long time...

http://www.ed.gov/PressReleases/08-2000/wh-0805.html
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cease_fire Donating Member (159 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-25-04 11:04 PM
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4. Web Resource - Facts and Fiction
This a fantastic site about SEPTEMBER 11th, WAR ON TERROR & HOMELAND SECURITY.

It has a table that has the Bush Admin's position in one column, and the truth in another.

http://www.bushlies.net/pages/1/





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WLKjr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-25-04 11:07 PM
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6. That's an awesome Idea
Maybe that should have it's own link on DU or just a thread set aside for just Talking points with facts to back them up.
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cease_fire Donating Member (159 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-25-04 11:08 PM
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7. Web Resource - "Bush Facts"
When you need to know the numbers (putrid as they are) about GW and his policies, this is the site you go to. It includes links to the raw data so no one can accuse you of pulling it from a bleeding heart liberal site - like Bill O'Shitty might...

Bush Facts: You Can't Argue With the Truth
http://www.drivingvotes.org/bushfacts.shtml
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cease_fire Donating Member (159 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-25-04 11:12 PM
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8. Web Resource - The Truth about our Economy
"The Economy is Strong"

"The Economy is getting Stonger"

Sure it is...

Here's how to torpedo that one...

http://hoffmania.blogspot.com/2004_07_25_hoffmania_archive.html#109130310606476399
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cease_fire Donating Member (159 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-25-04 11:13 PM
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9. Web Resource - 1000 Reasons NOT to vote for Bush
The MOTHER of all resouces against having a Shrub as the Commander in Creep.

Listed by DATE of infraction!!!

http://www.thousandreasons.org/listC.html
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cease_fire Donating Member (159 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-25-04 11:15 PM
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10. Talking Points - Economy, Health Care, Tax and Spend
Great, short answer talking points when you don't need a hyperlink to back up the claim.

The information is solid, of course...


http://www.outragenation.com/talking_points.shtml
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Comadreja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-25-04 11:17 PM
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11. If "Strong Leader" means pre-emptive attack
Who is most likely to use nuclear weapons pre-emptively? Who is more likely to start a nuclear war, JFK or Bush?



A country which has dangled the sword of nuclear holocaust over the world for half a century and claims that someone else invented terrorism is a country out of touch with reality. --John K. Stoner, 2001
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cease_fire Donating Member (159 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-25-04 11:19 PM
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12. News Article - Halliburton - they really do suck...
As our own news media becomes zombie-like in their cheerleading of this administration, we often have to turn to international sources to get the real scoop.

Here's a great article from a Kiwi newspaper all about how Halliburton really sucks.

At the end of an article is a "Cheat Sheet" which gives a chronlogy of all of their Transgressions.

http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/WO0409/S00238.htm
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cease_fire Donating Member (159 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-25-04 11:22 PM
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13. Official Government Data - The Bush Presidency
Nothing beats a refuted lie like having a link right from a Government Web Site, even if it is from the Democrats...

This is a comprehensive listing of everything that Bush has done to fuck up our world...

http://democrats.senate.gov/resource_center.htm
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cease_fire Donating Member (159 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-25-04 11:23 PM
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14. And for my 100th Post....
An oldie but goodie...


"The Top 30 Bush-Iraq Lies"


Beep Beep!


http://www.politicalstrategy.org/2003_03_10_weblog_archive.htm


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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-25-04 11:26 PM
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15. great resources, cease fire.
thanks for all the links
the republican party only has one platform and that is distribution of wealth.

They spend millions and billions researchign people's triggers to find out how to distract people from knowing this.
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nightperson Donating Member (550 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-25-04 11:45 PM
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16. Here are some of
Edited on Sun Sep-26-04 12:16 AM by secondtermdenier
mine on foreign policy.
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jbm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 12:04 AM
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17. abortion issues...
Under Clinton the rate of abortions declined by nearly 20% from what they were under Reagan and Bush cause a good economy and funding for contraceptives reduces the number of abortions. The abortion rate is on the rise again under this Bush. Ask em if their goal is to loudly declare that they object to abortions, or to truly end them, cause if they want to end them they had better support a liberal.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 12:15 AM
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18. from RFK Jr &.....
Edited on Sun Sep-26-04 12:24 AM by G_j
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Bush is sabotaging the laws that have protected America's environment for more than thirty years

Bush's Environmental Protection Agency has halted work on sixty-two environmental standards, the Food and Drug Administration has stopped work on fifty-seven standards. The EPA completed just two major rules -- both under court order and both watered down at industry request -- compared to twenty-three completed by the Clinton administration and fourteen by the Bush Sr. administration in their first two years.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/_/id/5939345?rnd=1096038176143&has-player=true&

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the Bush administration sought to charge some returning troops a first-ever $250 fee to enroll in the Veterans Administration medical plan; to block expanded health care for returning reservists and National Guard members; to restrict officials of the Disabled American Veterans organization from visiting soldiers in the hospital; and to cut the extra $250 per month received by the families of combat soldiers to $100, calling the larger outlay "wasteful and unnecessary."

(from a Kevin Philips book review of Howard Dean's "Winning Back America")





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cease_fire Donating Member (159 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 12:24 AM
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19. Talking Point - Saddam
"It's bad that Saddam killed his own people".

But it's okay that we do it?
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cease_fire Donating Member (159 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 02:02 AM
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20. Kick - this thread needs more links... eom
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Carla in Ca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 02:19 AM
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21. I posted this earlier tonight


Too many people think * is better for safety/security. why, Why, WHY isn't the fact that 9/11 happened on his watch the issue? The August 6th PDB allows us to say "* knew", right?

This, IMO, should be THE talking point in swing states.






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