Memory Hole: Remember the USS Greeneville?

[GregW]

You do remember that, dontcha? Bush is in power a whole month and some of his oil buddies get to go joy riding in a Navy sub off the coast of Hawaii. Two of three key positions on the sub are manned by civvies when they do an emergency blow, straight up 400 feet through the bottom of a Japanese fishing trawler - killing nine on-board.

Did we ever find out who the joy riders were?
Did we ever find out what they were doing at the controls?
Did we ever find out if anyone was court-marshalled?

Or did we just forget :shrug:

[WLKjr]

1. I think people forgot

[ewagner]

2. I'd like some links too

I've seen rumors that the joyriders were corporate execs...but haven't seen those confirmed.

[proud patriot]

3. Not forgotten

with the deluge of everyday assults it's
difficult to focuss on any one thing .

thanks for the reminder , I don't think we've
found out who those civies were .

[Carni]

4. They were all big bush contributors

And several were tied to oil companies.

If you do a google search there's plenty out there about the incident but as usual no one in the TV media paid any attention!

[wicket]

5. I remember

It was horrible :(

[madmax]

6. I remember and I was thinking about that just the other day.

The media reported the names. All big money contributors. I have to look through my files to see if I can find anymore info.

[Demonaut]

7. the one at fault was the Navy, but I'd still like to know who was at the

tiller

[snoogins]

8. And the one in charge of the military is Gov. Fuckface

he is such an incompetent moronic murderous fuckup. He has so much blood on his hands its nauseating to even the most hardened hearts.

[billbuckhead]

10. Harken energy sold it's operations in Hawaii to Aloha

The Bush Harken Insider Trading Collection

Don't let Bush fool you, he's as slimy a businessman as any that ran Enron.

Harken Energy Chronology
October 25, 2002

The purpose of this chronology is to show plainly and clearly that:

1. President George W. Bush did indeed have material non-public knowledge of adverse financial conditions at Harken Energy Co. prior to the sale of his Harken stock and therefore violated 15 U.S.C. § 78u-1 , insider trading of securities based upon material non-public information.

2. The Securities and Exchange Commission was indeed aware of Bush’s insider trading violation and chose to stand down.

3. While serving on the Board of Directors at Harken Energy Company, George W. Bush’s performance, motives and ethics were no different than those of the corporate executives and officers of Enron, Worldcom or any other national corporation being criticized by Bush for doing what he did.

4. The Aloha Petroleum sale was an act of fraud and Bush was in a position to know it and prevent it.

5. George W. Bush sought business dealings with people strongly connected to and involved with BCCI, the empire of fraud and crime.

http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0210/S00178.htm

Harken Energy Corporation Internal Documents
October 31, 2002

"The documents the Center has obtained do not unambiguously resolve the question of what Bush knew about the sale of the Aloha subsidiary."
http://www.public-i.org/...

Board was told of risks before Bush stock sale
October 30, 2002

"One week before George W. Bush's now-famous sale of stock in Harken Energy Corp. in 1990, Harken was warned by its lawyers that Bush and other members of the troubled oil company's board faced possible insider trading risks if they unloaded their shares."
http://www.boston.com/...

Harvard invested heavily in Harken
October 30, 2002

"Back then there was relatively little focus on one major reason for the loss: Harvard Management's large and ill-timed bet on little-known Harken Energy Co., whose board included George W. Bush, then the son of the US president and now the president himself. Even as losses mounted, Harvard Management bailed out the troubled company, first by splitting up Harken and then by sheltering Harken's liabilities in a partnership"
http://www.boston.com/...

Bush Oil Firm Did Enron-Style Deal - Report
October 9, 2002

"President Bush's former oil firm formed a partnership with Harvard University that concealed the company's financial woes and may have misled investors, a student and alumni group said in a report on Wednesday."
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news...

Memos: Bush knew of Harken's problems
July 12, 2002

"When President Bush sold more than 200,000 shares in Harken Energy Corp. in June 1990, he said he did not know the company was in bad financial shape. But memos from the company show in great detail that he was apprised of how badly the company's fortunes were failing before he sold his stock -- and that he was warned by company lawyers against selling stock based on insider information."
http://www.salon.com/politics/...

Bush: Don't do as I did. President's proposals would bar type of loans he got from Harken Energy
July 11, 2002

"President Bush borrowed money from oil company Harken Energy Corp. while he was a member of its board, a practice he condemned this week as part of his plan to curb corporate abuse and fraud, the White House acknowledged Thursday."
http://money.cnn.com/2002/07/11/news/bush_loan/

Bush and Harken Energy
July 10, 2002

"Although the law requires prompt disclosure of what are called insider sales, or sales by senior executives, Mr Bush did not inform the securities and exchange commission (SEC), the US market regulator, until 34 weeks later. So technically Mr Bush was at fault."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/bush/story/0,7369,752706,00.html

Bush and Lay: A Common Pattern of Stock Dumps?
February 2, 2002

"In June of 1990, Bush sold two-thirds of the Harken stock he had received in the Spectrum 7 deal--and collected $318,430 more than it was worth when he first obtained it. Get low, sell high? Anything wrong with that? The month before this sale, Harken appointed Bush to a committee to determine, as Ivins and Dubose put it, "how restructuring would affect ordinary shareholders." According to Ivins and Dubose, who note the previous reporting work of "U.S. News and World Report," when Bush served on this committee, he was privy to information indicating the company was in trouble. He then dumped his stocks before this news became public. "U.S. News" concluded that at the time of the sale there was "substantial evidence to suggest that Bush knew Harken was in dire straits.""
http://www.thenation.com/capitalgames...

Bush Name Helps Fuel Oil Dealings
July 30, 1999

"By the end of September 1986, the deal was done. Harken assumed $3.1 million in debts and swapped $2.2 million of its stock for a company that was hemorrhaging money, though it had oil and gas reserves projected to produce $4 million in future net revenue. Harken, a firm that liked to attach itself to stars, had also acquired Bush, whom it used not as an operating manager but as a high-profile board member."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp- srv/politics...

<http://www.buzzflash.com/perspectives/bush_harken.html>

[madmax]

9. Here's a link

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/1292744.stm

[ElsewheresDaughter]

11. i saw photographs of Kenneth Lay & wife disembarking the USS Greenville

on the day it happenned

[Eye and Monkey]

12. allegedly, John Hall was at the sub's controls (links)

At a Pentagon briefing, Joint Chiefs of Staff spokesman Rear Adm. Steve Pietropaoli said only one civilian was seated at the submarine's controls. John Hall said on the NBC "Today" program he was that person.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2001-02-16-sub-gns.htm

John Hall, 52, a polo pony rancher and independent energy contractor, told the Houston Chronicle the crew of the USS Greeneville closely monitored Japanese citizens as they waited for help in life boats.
http://www.the-catbird-seat.net/Greeneville.htm

It turns out that the man named John Hall who was one of the 16 civilians on the U.S. sub that sunk the Japanese fishing vessel last week is neither the Bank One director nor the ex-chairman of the Texas Natural Resource and Conservation Commission, but a Texas oilman. Calvin Woodward of the AP has identified him as director of Fossil Bay Resources Ltd, the company that fellow sub passenger Todd Thoman was connected with at the time of a '99 Houston Chronicle story. It reported that both Hall and Thoman were present at a Houston Polo Club benefit. Woodward reports that Thoman is no longer with Fossil Bay Resources. A biography of Hall at the Fossil Bay Resources web site notes that prior to the '90's he was involved in real estate development and construction, but since then he has been a principal/negotiator in a number of transactions between various national energy companies. Today's Washington Post, however, provides contradictory information. While Hall and Thoman were reported as being in Hawaii in connection with activities benefitting the Missouri Memorial Fund, "the two men had worked in the Houston office of Fossil Bay Resources Ltd., a Canadian venture. The Houston office was recently closed, and Hall and Thoman no longer work for the company, according to officials at the firm's Dallas headquarters." Regardless, the final question in our previous story remains: What is the relationship, if any, between the Thoman-Hall appearance on the "Today" show and the apparent need for the White House to orchestrate the media's response to the disaster? --Politex, 2/16/01
http://www.bushwatch.net/subgate.htm

The Navy Saturday..released the names of the 16 civilian guests :
Helen Cullen (Houston, Texas)QUINTANA PETROLEUM, HOUSTON, TX. Mike Mitchell (Irving, Texas)MANAGING DIR., ENCAP ENERGY ADVISORS, DALLAS, TX. Jay Brehmer (Overland Park, Kan.) AQUILA Carol Brehmer (Overland Park, Kan.) AQUILA John M. Hall (Sealy, Texas) AQUILA Leigh Anne Schell Hall (Sealy, Texas) AQUILA Anthony Schnur (The Woodlands, Texas) AQUILA Susan Schunur (The Woodlands, Texas) AQUILA Tood Thoman (Houston, Texas) FOSSIL BAY Deanda Thoman (Houston, Texas) FOSSIL BAY Ken Wyatt (Golden, Colorado) AQUILA Catherine Graham Wyatt (Golden, Colorado) AQUILA Jack Clary (Stow, Mass.) SPORTSWRITER Pat Clary (Stow, Mass.) SPORTSWRITER Mickey Nolan (Honolulu)GOLF PROMOTER Susan Nolan (Honolulu)GOLF PROMOTER "
http://www.bushwatch.net/subgate.htm

[Ravenseye]

13. Wow Totally Forgot About That! (nt)

[SoCalDem]

14. Read the NTSB transcripts.. COVER-UP

in spades..
http://www.ntsb.gov/events/2001/greeneville/transcript_index.htm


more @
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=ehime+maru+transcripts&spell=1

[rppper]

15. the captain was retired, the control room crew reprimanded

http://www.salempress.com/display.asp?id=317&column=Sample_Article8

the link has a pretty good overview of captain waddle's punishment.

the Greenville was the sister ship to the last sub i served on in the navy. i knew some of the crew on that ship. they were the newest boat in pearl harbor at the time....a showboat...just like we had been. i have taken hundreds of VIPs on outings. i can say with no doubt that the crew and the captain did nothing procedurally wrong. the Japanese boat was in the wrong place at the wrong time.....i served on subs for a decade, and i can tell you to the letter the procedure they followed. it was just bad luck for all involved, plain and simple. the oceans are very unforgiving.

[King_Crimson]

16. Don't forget the spy-plane incident..

off the Chinese coast either! That happened right in that time frame also!

[wishlist]

17. These hypocrites criticized Clinton over a few donors sleeping in WH

Apparently it was considered okay to abuse military resources at great government expense (leading to a tragic international incident) but it was considered disgraceful when the Clintons had a few friends sleep at the White House. This incident under Bushco was just swept under the rug.