I don't know who's worse... Bush or bin Laden

[Dangerman]

I hate them both, although I hate Bush slightly more than bin Laden.

Which bothers me...

Who's worse, a guy who kills 3,000 innocent Americans in that black day in September 2001, or a guy who murders 15,000 - 30,000 innocent Iraqis and over 1,100 US troops since that dark day in March 2003?

[Cobalt Violet]

1. I think you do know who is worse.

And that is a very troublesome thought for a lot of us who think the same thing.

[freetobegay]

2. They are both animals

Which one is worse? History will decide that one.

[The Traveler]

3. Damn. That's a hard one.

Cut from the same cloth, I'd say ... just a different denomination.

[Arkana]

20. Indeed

It's hard now to say who's the bigger nutcase--Shrubya or Osama Yo Mama.

[2Design]

4. bin laden is paid thug of BFEE - so BFEE is worse

[Hog lover]

5. Bush is worse.

Bin Laden openly declares his intentions. Bush lies about his intentions and everything else.

[Technowitch]

8. Yeah, I'd have to agree.

Besides, Bush claims to be a loving, compassionate Christian man.

I prefer an honest fiend over a hypocrite any day.

[951]

9. I have to pick Bin Boy Bush didn't order an attack the Twin Towers...

for the sole purpose of saving his failing political careerer. :tinfoilhat:

[Is It Fascism Yet]

13. What makes you so sure?

What you makes you so sure Shrub didn't order an attack on the Twin Towers? I am not so sure. Whenever you want to know who did something, you just follow who benefitted from it. Wasn't Shrub an unelected, illegitmate, unpopular president, and, didn't he suddenly become the "war president" the "protector" of america? Didn't it give him an excuse to say we could never critized him because that would be "unpatriotic in wartime"? Didn't 911 offer him great photo ops, on ground zero with the firemen? Wasn't he a long time Bin Laden buddy? Didn't Shrub and Osama send private couriers back and forth all the summer of 01? Didn't he try to stop congress from forming a 911 investigational committee? Didn't he refuse to testify before that committee under oath and didn't he block the progress of their investigation when it led to the white house? What makes you so sure he didn't order the Twin Towers attacked? He certainly didn't prevent it, although he received a memo warning him of it a month before!

[dr.strangelove]

21. Logic???

"Whenever you want to know who did something, you just follow who benefited from it."

Are you serious about your logic?

I have never hid my opinion that the tin foil theories about bush ordering the WTC attack are flat out dumb. Instead of getting in another fight about that, I'll just say that I respect your right to have your opinion, I just think anyone who feels bush in ANY way wanted 9-11 to occur is wrong.

However, your basis for your opinion appears to be founded on very flawed logic.
People benefit from coincidences every day.
I got my job, and a huge salary increase, solely because of 9-11. The person I replaced was killed in the WTC. I would not have my job if she was not killed on 9-11. I would have taken the other job offer I received.

My sister was just promoted because her boss was killed overseas after he was "Reactivated." Because my sister benefited does it stand to reason that she should be a suspect. NO - she was the recipient of an increase in salary that she would trade for her boss's life any day.

I never met the girl I replaced, but I'd take the huge pay cut to undo 9-11.

[Is It Fascism Yet]

23. yep, I am serious

Poor kid, I am sorry you have that sad situation where you had to take over for a victim like that. I am sure you would give up the pay cut. Yes, I am perfectly serious. I am not saying I can prove Shrub was in colusion, only saying that it is a perfectly reasonable possibilty, and may well be true. There is no flaw in the logic that he falls under suspicion for the reason that he profited. In your case, if we look suspiciously at your job promotion, we dead end and our suspicions fall away, because you didn't try to impede congressional investigations of 911, you didn't refuse to testify, you didn't have osama bin laden as a dinner guest, you weren't illegitimate to start with, you didn't send private messages by courier to osama all through the preceeding summer, and you are not an oil tycoon with interests in the middle east. You didn't warn your cabinet not to fly commericial planes anymore, a month before 911, did you? Well, Shrub did. It is not any one thing that Shrub did that implicates him it is the combination of all the things he has done. I see no flaw whatsoever in the logic that brings me to these conclusions. Now if you want to talk just plain old gut instinct, I say the little weasel is guilty as hell.

[devinsgram]

27. I have to agree

Bin Laden know what he is and he puts it out there for everyone to see. He doesn't pretend to be something he's not.

[Mojambo]

6. Isn't this kind of like asking

Which is worse, NSync or Backstreet Boys?

Both are highly damaging to the world.

[TorchTheWitch]

7. this has been troubling me too

It's both sad and frightening.

Incidentally, it wasn't just Americans murdered on 9/11... mostly Americans but a lot of other people from a lot of other countries as well. I think it's appropriate to remember that.

[Is It Fascism Yet]

14. you are right

you are right it is appropriate to remember that. and also appropriate to remember that virtually all the saudi's who normally would have been in the towers were absent on that day.

[Hog lover]

18. Source of info on Saudis in towers? n/t

[Is It Fascism Yet]

16. Great handle!

Great handle, witchletta!

[TorchTheWitch]

24. thanks

George W. Bush = Wicked Witch of the West

Torch him

(and some people can't figure out what the W stands for) ;)

[drumwolf]

10. i think they're the same personality type but on opposing sides

And I think this question is akin to asking, "Who's worse, Hitler or Stalin?"

Of course, a pro-Bush supporter would say, "Well, Bush didn't cause people to fly planes into skyscrapers and kill 3,000 innocent civilians."

My response is that Bush doesn't have to do the kinds of things that Al Qaeda does, because he's the one with the military might and supremacy. Terrorism is a tactic of the underdog, and it's the Muslim fundies who are the underdogs and the American neo-con wingnuts who have the military strength.

I don't have the slightest doubt in my mind that if the tables were turned and it was the Muslim world that had all of the military, economic and technological power, Bush's fundie and neocon followers would be perpetrating suicide bombings on city buses and flying planes into buildings in the Arab countries.

[foo_bar]

11. their parents

[Is It Fascism Yet]

12. LOL,

Its a toss up!

[Name removed]

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[Is It Fascism Yet]

17. yep

yep...inside job...thats it in a nutshell...we been had

[Beam Me Up]

19. What makes you think bin Laden had anything to do with 9/11?

Other than the fact the National Security State run Federal Government and their Corporate owned Mass Media have TOLD YOU "bin Laden did it", what actual EVIDENCE has been presented?

WAKE UP!

9/11 was an INSIDE JOB. No way IN HELL bin Laden could pull off setting up numerous war game scenarios, including hijackings of commercial airliners, thus confusing NORAD and the FAA on the morning of 9/11 with multiple BOOGY BLIPS. NO WAY!

No way in HELL would the Secret Service allow a president to sit in a DISCLOSED LOCATION unprotected DURING AN ATTACK ON AMERICA BY UNKNOWN ASSAILANTS USING PLANES AS WMD ONLY MINUTES FROM AN INTERNATIONAL AIR PORT unless they *knew already* that he was not in any danger. Now, in a mutiple attack scenario situation of this sorts with confusion at high levels, HOW WOULD THEY KNOW WITH A CERTAINTY THAT HE WAS SAFE THERE IN THE SCHOOL FOR OVER AN HOUR?

bin Laden is a patsy. A very convenient and well paid patsy. Get a clue. The whole "war on terrorism" is nothing but a sham, driven from deep within the National Security State, to acquire by force TRILLIONS of dollars worth of oil and natural gas from the Caspian basin and Iraq.

[Is It Fascism Yet]

22. You know, that's a good point

That's a good point, that the secret service wasn't worried about the Shrub, I had not thought of that aspect, but your right, very good point.

[indigobusiness]

25. This is how it seemed to me, too. Everything was so pat and prefab

and ready to go.

It seemed rehearsed, the response I mean. It was like they had all the answers, but were still caught with their pants down.

None of it adds up. None of it.

[western mass]

26. Bin Laden tried to destroy the American way of life. He failed.

*, on the other hand, is succeeding pretty well.