Tonight's South Park...don't read if they piss you off

[bliss_eternal]

Tonight Matt and Trey needed to bring home the point of how unimportant voting is.

The kids lost the right to have a cow as the school mascot after the evil "Peta" people came in with their 'eco-terrorism.' They had to find a new mascot and their choices were Turd Sandwich or Giant Douche. Little Stan hated each choice and decided he wouldn't vote for either because they both sucked. After being shunned for not voting by his family, friends and chased out of town by a gun-weilding Puff Daddy (Vote or Die), he was banished from South Park.

Alas, poor Stan was forced to seek refuge with the Peta people. They were eventually exterminated by the Puff Daddy posse and Stan went back to South Park to reluctantly cast his vote. He voted for the guy that lost and complained his vote didn't count anyway. His father assured him it did, whether his candidate won or not. When the townspeople find out Peta is history, they rejoice that a cow can be their mascot again. Then Stan's father tells him his vote really didn't matter.

The credits ran with Matt or Trey (or both-dunno') singing to get out and vote. (yeah...right).

It was the least funniest episode I ever saw. I don't appreciate their hypocrisy of being pissed over celebs voicing their political convictions yet they continue to shove their obvious views on anyone that will listen, buy a ticket to their movie or watch their show. So maybe I just won't watch anymore.

It also pisses me off that these guys obviously don't have a clue what it means to be oppressed or denied the right to vote. Yet they are encouraging others not to. As far as I'm concerned, right now they are the Giant Douches, wrapped in an even bigger turd sandwich. Their whole 'not giving a shit' and above everything attitude is old. Maybe they'll give a shit when their now crappy show is outsourced along with Bush.

May they get over themselves one day...

[mark414]

1. didn't you get the symbolism of bush and kerry turd and douche?

[Clintmax]

40. Yeah

I watched it last night and got the same feeling. I won't be watching South Park anymore.

[Hog lover]

2. Wait a minute - you have to think when you watch South Park

They get in digs at everyone - I didn't see this episode, and some of them are pretty stupid, but maybe they had a message about how fickle people are about thinking their vote counts. If it turns out the way you wanted it to (you get your cow mascot, after all), you then wonder why you got so involved and bothered voting. If it DOESN'T turn out how you wanted, then you also wonder why you got involved and bothered voting.

I'd be interested in others' analyses of the episode.

[StrongbadTehAwesome]

16. it basically boiled down to this

Summary:
When voting, you're always stuck with a lousy choice between a turd sandwich and a giant douche, and the choice doesn't really make a difference because they're both extremely stupid. Therefore, choosing not to vote is perfectly acceptable and should be respected at least as much as the choice to vote (hinting, 'maybe even more so because at least the non-voters realize that it's all stupid and that there's no real choice.")

I get their point, but I don't agree with it. We're not "stuck with" the choice - that's why there are primaries. If you didn't vote in those, you can't bitch about how much the candidates suck. Furthermore, if you really believe that there aren't any real differences between the two major candidates, there are several third-party candidates for you to choose from (and there's always the 'write-in' blank).

Legitimizing apathy and cynicism isn't cool.

EDIT: I can't spell!

[Sterling]

45. I agree Trey is a Douche and Matt is a Turd sandwich.

They are way too LCD to be looked at as political thinkers. They should stick to singing poo and stoned bath towles.

[Technowitch]

3. Hmm... that's too bad. Might just have to delete that one off the TiVo

[norml]

4. Matt & Trey piss me off with their freeper chic.

I'll not give their brand,or their advertisers any of my money. They should take a good look at how preachy they themselves are being.

[Bark Bark Bark]

6. This Is How "Team America" Was SUPPOSED To "Work:"

When Paris is blown to smithereens by Team America during a wild-goose chase seeking WMDs:

...Liberals were supposed to be intelligent enough to treat it as satire: Team America = a bunch of psychos killing innocent people for a transparently false mission. (Tee-hee!)

...Neo-Cons were supposed to get a stiffy because Team America wuz blowin' up them Commie Terrorist Frenchies and they damn Yeeuropeein' city. (Yeeeeehaw!)

Didn't work, though. Liberals are intelligent enough to treat it like the infantile pap it is, and Neo-Cons don't "get" puppets. Total searing bomb in nationwide release--and not even Japan is going to line up to see this sad mess.

Meanwhile, "South Park: Bigger, Longer & Uncut," a far superior laugher made to show the horror and foolishness of war and totalitarianism--when Clinton was in office, of course--is turning out to be sadly prophetic under Bush. But you'll never hear Matt and Trey point that out.

Matt and Trey pose Libertarian--but they're bigger phonies than everyone they send up in their shows and movies combined.

[teryang]

5. American Dada

Southpark. It sucks.

[JSJ]

7. never ever found this pair funny- but then i hate limited action animation

[SemiCharmedQuark]

8. In the EW article they say originally TAWP was supposed to be TA v. Libs

They added the terrorists later.

[saracat]

9. Stupidity masquerading as political cynicism!

[Dover]

10. Can't think of a good reason to watch ANYTHING on FOX.

I don't even go to that channel (and I don't have many...no cable either). Of course the other networks aren't much better but there are a few decent shows. Spending only about an hour in front of the t.v. these days, which is just fine with me.

[shmendrick]

23. South Park isn't on Fox

South Park isn't on Fox. It's on Comedy Central.

Also, the shows on the Fox Network (as opposed to Fox News Channel) are pretty good too.

[secular_warrior]

11. This is one of the reasons why I have little tolerance for "hipsters"

Most of these "artists", especially those who are white, are so cutesy with their whole "saying-it-but-not-really" schtick, which allows them to be offensive without really being attacked for anything, because after all, "We're not really saying anything. But wait, we may be." It's a trick that all of corporate hipsters use to get young white liberals defending them, as well as the young white right-wingers.

The hipsters and their fans are so detached from reality. Everything they do is simply to be cooler-than-thou with zero concern for how it affects anyone in the real world.

[Swamp Rat]

14. Like this hip guy?

[ever_green]

21. I agree /eom

[Downtown Hound]

12. Time to give old Trey and Matt the cold shoulder

The South Park movie was really the only great thing they ever did. I always thought the show itself was overrated, however it did used to give me a laugh from time to time. But it hasn't been funny for a long while, and the hypocrisy and and negativity they have been demonstrating lately has really pissed me off.

[bliss_eternal]

22. Agreed! I liked the movie, too BUT

I'm with you on their hypocracy and negativity. It's pissed me off, too.

I'm not going to support them or their work anymore. I didn't see Team America after they made those stupid remarks.

The show hasn't been as good as I once thought it was, I wonder how much longer it will last anyway?

Thanks for your comments!

[Robeson]

13. I thought they were more Repug than Dem a long time ago

[Cat Atomic]

15. Don't they seem like they're about 4 years behind the times now?

PETA and politically correct language don't symbolize the left anymore. Apathy isn't cool anymore.

It just seems like there's been this huge political shift in the country, and the Southpark guys were too busy playing with their sports cars to notice.

[Robeson]

18. And their jacuzzi's and bank accounts...

...probably worried about losing those Bush tax breaks, too!

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[Cabbage]

30. I have seen many many

many personel attacks. What you meant to say was personel attacks are not welcom if your post numbers are low. If I were to agree with everyone a couple hundered times and then started saying what I really think it would be ok.


But whatever. The south Park guys are only funny when they make fun of things we hate. Sort of like Drudge.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

31. No I mean when over half of your posts are of you attacking others

It tends to reflect badly, whether that is 9/18 or 1000/2000. Personal attacks are never ok and often deleted by the mods, no matter what the posters pc is.

[smirkymonkey]

32. Well, your spelling IS kind of a red flag!

Not to mention your impeccable grammar. Add to the low post count, confrontational manner, senseless logic and what do we come up with?

[robbedvoter]

28. Great minds think alike - see my post - missed yours

Seems that since "embedded' in Hollywood, They were always superficial, but at least they had a sense of what kiddies were talking. Now they lost touch with what's really hip. they all tend to become so narcissistic over there - it's all about who got in the best clubs before whom and whose agent is bigger.
The most pathetic coda for these too: hipsters no more.

[belle]

57. Yes, they're very 90's. It is interesting to see how Jon Stewart evolved

and they didn't. Overgrown manchildren, oh well. They can still be funny sometimes--the "Passion" parody was inspired--but on the whole, I'm over them.

[AlbertoMo83]

17. I still like South Park

OK so fuck Matt & Trey I mean they're just a couple of fucking idiots who don't have anything important to say, but I cant help it I still like to watch South Park once in a while. It takes my mind off many things for a little while. Its just a stupid-ass show which is why its so funny in my opinion. Its just a big fucking joke to me and if u dont like it thats fine, everybody is different. I personally think everybody should stop making such a big deal about Matt and Tre's political beliefs, who gives a rat's ass?? Besides "Team America" bombed at the box office LMAO.

[Cabbage]

19. It is a tv show.

Don't get so emotional. It wasn't worth a post.

[robbedvoter]

27. Check my name - the theme makes me extremely emotional.

Can you figure it out why?

[Hong Kong Cavalier]

35. And just who are you to determine

what's worth a post or not?

No, really. I'd like to know.

[shmendrick]

24. I found it funny.

I found it pretty funny.

I do HATE the PETA people, and while this election IS important and every vote DOES matter, can't we still laugh?

[robbedvoter]

29. yeah, let's laugh - Florida voters so dumb - yuk, yuck, gufaw!

Election humor makes me hurl.

[Chelsea Patriot]

41. "They're He-e-e-e-re!'

Put your hands togather for..

The Lady Miss shmendrick and her little sister, Cabbage!

Why do you girls always use the royal "we"?

Because you're Big Nelly Que-e-e-ens????

Oh, We do still laugh...especially at bad drag acts!

[shmendrick]

44. I don't get it

I don't get it.

I never used the term "we."


Sexism? Homophobia? Queens? Is there any place for this at DU?

[GodHelpUsAll2]

55. Some of us can

but it appears that some can not. It's a cartoon for pete's sake. People are upset over a cartoon?

Where I agree this election is the most important I have yet to see in my life time, it is quite sad to see how drastically the political enviroment has changed people.

No one laughs much, everyone is constantly waiting, in attack mode for the next shoe to drop and there is an entire thread of hostility dedicated to a freaking cartoon. Cries of outrage, cries to boycott, complete shock and awe. And the worst part for me at least, is when this very same behavior was aimed at the Dixie Chicks for their comments on Bush, the very people that are wanting Stone and Parkers heads on a plate where crying freedom of speech, unfair treatment, they should be allowed to speak what they think.

You decide, have people become the very things they despise in others?

[robbedvoter]

26. Reminded me of 2000. Jon Stewart, Maher were also in that group - and

let's face it, most celebrities, Nader supporters. There were 2 messages on teevee:
1. Bush is great
2. They are both the same, voting is not cool

Funny how the hipsters are 4 years behind everyone else (since, most of the proponents of script 2 learned the conseqhences of hollier than thou attitude).

And, no, this was not even the unfuniest South Park. I remember one I cringed through and through - about the rich blacks moving in.
The one bright part in last night episode:
after all the noises of: "it's so close, we don't know yet" the douche (Kerry) wins thousands to hundreds to the turd (Bush). I'll take that as prediction.

The Daily Show was the sad topper - advancing the "527s" script from RNC - which equates Moveon with the lying fascists - forgetting the truth/lies distinctions.

[WCGreen]

56. Now hold on nelly...

Don't you go messin' with Joh S and the gang over there at the Daily Show...

For more than five years this team of comedians has been the only voice of sanity on Cable....

They look for and find the insanity in almost everything that is out there whether politcal, cultural or religious......

And yea, just because I contribute to MoveOn and appreciate all they do don't think I wouldn't change that whole system if I could, make it a real level playing field but you have to go with what is out there....

Move On is a 527 and does operate under the same laws that allow the Swift Boat jerk-off's access to the political process....

The whole bit was funny, poignant and dead on sarcasm.......

[Nimrod]

33. Don't take it so seriously

This is "South Park". It's a cartoon with a black kid named "Token". How seriously can you take it?

You don't have to like it. You don't have to find it funny. You don't even have to understand it. But it's a cartoon that prides itself on being tasteless and pissing off everyone they can. Anyone who bases their voting decisions on South Park probably shouldn't be voting anyway.

Democrats like to pride themselves on our open-mindedness, tolerance, and support of free speech, then we turn around and get all hot and bothered over a cartoon. Chill out. If you don't like the show, change the channel - that's what we keep telling all the Reverend Wildmon types, right? There's a million things to get pissed off about right now, getting pissed off about "South Park" would seem a waste of good outrage.

Falwell outed Pinky Winky. Do you really want to follow in THOSE footsteps?

Just my $0.02.

[robbedvoter]

34. It was Tinky Winky and the timing of this "harmless" cartoon on voting

doesn't escape me. After all, red Sumner said "W is good for Viacom" - so I have to take him seriously. Good news is, unlike in 2000, these are the only "hipsters" saying they are too cool to vote...

[Nimrod]

38. Timing...

It's a current event that's on just about everybody's mind.

Teletubbies was never big on my calendar - I knew it was Something-Winky.

But I'm sorry, I just can't see animated 4th graders making racist and homophobic jokes as an attack on our nation. I'm trying, but I just can't.

I'll admit I'm biased. One of my pet peeves is the rampant oversensitivity in this country. I'm heavily against racism, antisemitism, homophobia, scatological humor, fat jokes, executing Canadians, and 90% of everything else that pops up on South Park. I'm sure you've noticed that Satan himself is portrayed as homosexual and sleeping with Saddam, right? That could be viewed as a horrendous public attack on gays. But it's a cartoon, and I'm not so full of self-importance to get all bent out of shape over a cartoon. Mallard Fillmore and B.C. are ridiculously pro-* and make no pretense of otherwise. I ignore 'em. How many people have gone screaming to the press about Doonesbury, and every time we tell them to lighten the hell up.

We should practice what we preach. There are enough attacks on our free nation without me getting distracted over one so unimportant and ineffectual. Save your energies for the real enemies.

[robbedvoter]

39. "rampant oversensitivity" = PC = right wing think tank creation

in the 80's. An offshoot of it in recent years: "republicans have more fun" - than them straightlaced liberals and their many rules.... Superficially making sense - unless you note that ALL THE GROUPS they want to take on, W is alreasy taling on economically, civil rights wise....
Sorry, I pride myself as having a sense of humor (liked some South Park episodes + the movie even), but RACISM AIN'T FUNNY!

[Ardee]

47. Oh thank you Nimrod

Just when I despaired of finding any sanity whatsoever among this group of "Liberals" your post saved the day!

Free speech is just sooooo yuckkkky isn't it? No-one who disagrees with you politically should be allowed to live much less work or express an opinion, after all what do you think this is, The land of the free or something?

[Nimrod]

58. The only sin...

...that humans will never forgive is a difference of opinion.

:)

[gratuitous]

36. Gosh, the episode was just so subtle and hip

I'm afraid the whole message was lost on the likes of moi--I mean, me.

[Killarney]

37. The argument that Bush and Kerry are the same

(turd and douche) is fucking ridiculous and the last four years have proved that.

Parker and Stone are four years behind the times and they're not funny anymore now that they are dumbass redneck shills.

[AmerDem]

42. who the hell watches that nitwit program

from the days that show started I think I was able to watch 5 minutes total. The two guys I always see talking about it ( not sure if they created it or do the voices) come across as spoiled, self absorbed goofballs.

That program is so unfunny!

[AG78]

43. It's a cartoon

If anyone takes their political stances from a cartoon(or puppets), they're insane. Just like anyone who forms their political stances from million dollar political attacks ads from anyone is insane.

The sad part is that there are probably many people who do just that.

I enjoy South Park. It makes me laugh, and that's all that the show is there to do. With all the crap that we do as a species, it's good to laugh, especially at yourself. They give every side their say, and then make fun of what was said. It's not comedy gold each time, but that's ok.

In real life, we deal with the problems that exist. South Park makes fun of those very problems, usually coming out on the side of rationality. They make fun of racism, but always end the show by saying it's not a good thing.

They made some jokes about voting last night. They went through a crazy story line to get there, but in the end, Stan voted, correct?

It's a cartoon that takes shots at everyone. Fighting the very real corporate/religious movement in this country is hard enough. Fighting a cartoon just isn't worth it.

[Sterling]

48. We need more mental hospitals.

You just diagnosed 90% of the USA as clinically insane.

[NightTrain]

46. Fuck Parker and Stone.

I liked "South Park" for a while but eventually came to realize that the show just wasn't that good. :shrug:

[neuvocat]

49. Trey and Stone are anti-undecided voter

and their hostility is quite disturbing as of late.

[NuttyFluffers]

50. didn't they also make "That's My Bush"?

i thought that was great too (if they did make it).

[Hippo_Tron]

51. I disagree

Granted I don't agree with the episode's message but they have a right to express their views. If they think that Kerry and Bush are a giant douche and a turd sandwhich that's their opinion and they are entitled to it and they are allowed to express it using whatever means necessary. If they think that this election is not a big deal and they want to make fun of Puff Daddy's "vote or die" then they have a right to do so. BTW I thought the whole concept was clever, hillarious at parts, a bit overblown on the PETA stuff (well, just plain aweful). Overall I liked the episode.

[Citizen Kang]

52. Sorry, it was pretty damn funny

The dig on the PETA people was that they treat animals better than their fellow human beings. I could have done without the eco-terrorist thing but so what.

The moral of the story is that we will always be stuck with uninspiring choices as long as politics stays so dirty, messy and evil. Face it, Kerry and Bush are not even close to being the best choices for president that we have available to us.

Watch the episode, then comment. And get a grip, its a cartoon comedy, not 60 minutes. You dont have to take it seriously.

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[mitchum]

54. Just two dorks with semen-spattered copies of "Atlas Shrugged"

Is that better?

[Atlas Mugged]

59. Oh, my......

...very succinct!

[TNOE]

60. I gotta agree with the people who say its just a cartoon

cartoons are made to make you laugh mostly (which is good for the soul) and sometimes make you think. I love South Park, it almost always cracks me up.

I saw Matt and Trey on Jimmy Kimmel (I think it was) and he asked them if they were trying to get people to not vote based on their movie, and they said no, but if you do not know the issues and really do not who or why you are voting for a particular person - then PLEASE DON'T VOTE. I think that's a responsible statement. They just find everything funny and I think the world could use a lot more humor these days.

I mean seeing Satan as a "feeling" "caring" homosexual is so over the top it is hilarious - and Satan going to God to get advice - and then making a deal with God to take Saddam to heaven where it turns out only Mormons are allowed in, and their Passion of the Christ episode was spot on. I like these guys and I'll probably always like them, as long as they keep churning out hilarious material. We can't always take everything so serious. (I suspect one of them probably is gay, but don't know which one is Matt and which one is Trey.

[Snivi Yllom]

61. that pretty funny

Love South Park. And anything that makes fun of Puff Daddy is good.