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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 01:16 AM
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Put yourself in Kerrys shoes, What would you do?
Edited on Fri Nov-05-04 01:27 AM by walldude
I posted something like this as an answer to another thread but I thought it deserved a little more thought.

Think about John Kerry's history. The real one. Vietnam. He came back from the war and stood up, against his government, against the odds, and probably against his better judgment, for what he believed in. He fought. He fought the good fight. He fought against Iran-Contra. Against an international banking and drug cartel. He fought with John McCaine against an apathetic government to finally find out the truth about POW's. (That bastard really hates the troops :eyes: )

Now think about what we know about Bush. The war, Valerie Plame, Abu Grahib, Medicare cost scandal, secret energy policy meetings, PNAC, the list goes on and on. Now think about how much more evil shit you would know about Bush if you were a Senator and perhaps privy to some classified documents. I'll never forget the look on Ben-Veniste's face when he asked Rice to allow the "Bin Laden Determined To Attack In The U.S." document to be de-classified during the 9/11 commission hearings. You could just see in his eyes that it would have destroyed the administration. Bob Graham admitted in his book that the administration classifies documents in the name of national security, not because the information needs to be classified but because of it's political ramifications. People high up are hinting that the shit goes even deeper than we know.

Now, think about all the evil nasty shit they said about Kerry during the campaign. Not just Kerry either but his fellow vets McCaine, and Cleland. A bunch of draft dodgers calling them un-patriotic and against the troops. Lies upon lies, vicious attacks on personal beliefs, gleefully evil attacks on the family's. Not only were they vicious but they enjoyed it.

Now remembering Kerry's history, put yourself in Kerry's shoes. You've served the public for over 20 years. You are rich beyond your wildest dreams, you have a great family, you could retire at any moment and live happily ever after. You lost a rigged election, and thats not the half of it, it was against the most oppressive regime in American history. You got more votes than any other President in history except for your opponent, who has a history of fixing elections. You stand against the greatest threat to the Planet Earth since the asteroid that wiped out the dinosaurs. You have the money, you have the connections. You have a fireball of a wife who is probably ready to take up arms for you. Most importantly, you have... nothing to lose. What would you do.

I think if I were John Kerry I would realize that if I started going off half cocked with no evidence I would be made to look like a fool, so to placate the enemy I would concede and let him play out his little re-election fantasy. Then I would take those thousand lawyers I had and get to work. No one is infallible and as openly brazen about it's crimes as this administration has been, you know somewhere there is a loose end. A person who will talk, some unshredded paperwork, a machine that will spit out the vote count that matches the exit polls. I would be silent but relentless. Knowing that there is an extremely high probability that there are hundreds of thousands of lives at stake here, nothing on earth would stop me from finding what I needed. Irrefutable evidence. Once I had it I would use it to personally wipe that smarmy motherfucking smirk right off that assholes face. Pardon my language.

Personally I would pay every penny I had to see the smirk wiped off the chimps face. But I doubt it's even enough money to wipe his ass. Kerry and Soros on the other hand.....


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Joylaughter Donating Member (498 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 01:19 AM
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1. Yes
It is either as you say, or we must face up to the possibilty that JK is in on the game. That would be a knife in my heart./
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 01:20 AM
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2. Exactly. I pray it's the former. nt
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demodonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 01:35 AM
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4. No Way
Neither JK nor JE are in on any "game". I saw BOTH these guys speak on the campaign trail, Kerry in July, Edwards in both July and last Sunday.

If they were playing out some sort of "game", and yet could inspire and speak the passionate way they did, they BOTH should drop politics and go directly to Hollywood -- with that much acting skill either would be a shoo-in for an Oscar very quickly.
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reeree Donating Member (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 01:22 AM
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3. Cry.
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mazzarro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 01:35 AM
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5. I wish that the fantasy of exposing the evil chmip* will come true
But I DOUBT IT! Kerry like most of the legislative democrats value getting along more than the principles of the party and the general welfare of the average person and the nation.
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 01:40 AM
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7. If it were me it would go beyond
party and politics. Kerry is known for looking past these things before. Plus he could feed his ego by taking these evil bastards down. It's not as far fetched as it seems...
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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 01:38 AM
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6. All you say may be true...
... but Kerry asked his party and people to support him in a run for the presidency. They nominated him, and expected him to do his very best on their behalf. He took their campaign money to enable him to get exposure.

Tens of thousands of people showed up before and during the polls to watch the election for him--and they were reporting a veritable plethora of irregularities.

Kerry's quick capitulation has probably driven people from the party, people who'd probably long ago sensed that the Democrats were being far too easy on the Republicans in a spirit of bipartisanship which simply wasn't shared by the right wing, but stayed with the party rather than bolting to the Greens.

In those terms, Kerry, if he really wanted to be the President, needed to show to his party, and the country, that he was really willing to fight for it.

The simple fact is that all the damage Kerry might be able to do in the Senate to Bush, he could have done without ever leaving it to run for President. And, after four years in the Senate with Bush as an illegitimate president, whose Florida machine robbed a previous Democratic candidate of the presidency, he hasn't done one thing to genuinely damage Bush while in the Senate. I don't think he's going to go out of his way to do so in the next four years, either.

I'm not trying to be overly rancorous, but I am saying that Kerry's decision was political. Perhaps he calculated that it would buy some respect for Democrats in the next four years. If he thought that, I don't know what the hell he's smokin'.
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 01:48 AM
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8. If he had attempted to fight openly
the press and the Administration would have chewed him up and spit him out. Gore already made that mistake. Remember? The bastards were trying to say the Dems were trying to steal the election, almost funny since thats exactly what they were doing. Why make the same mistake twice. Try a new tactic. Maybe your right, after all it's only what I would do if I were in his shoes. But there's always hope.
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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 01:58 AM
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9. To my knowledge...
... he's not fighting behind closed doors, either. There's been no request for a recount anywhere.

And, I remember 2000 a bit differently than you do. I remember the Bushies claiming Gore was trying to steal the election when, in fact, Bush filed suit first to stop a legal recount, which, if it had continued, would have caused Bush to lose fair and square. Gore's only two mistakes were in conceding too quickly and then changing his mind five hours later when the count changed, and in not making the point, simply and clearly, that he was well within his legal rights to demand a recount.

If Kerry comes out now and says, changed my mind, want to challenge, he will have made the same mistake Gore did, and he'll get torn up for it.

Cheers.

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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 02:02 AM
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10. Better check out the BBV thread
BevHarris just posted. At least someone is fighting it..
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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 02:09 AM
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12. That is not an action taken by the...
... Kerry campaign. From what others have said about election law, the only person who can request an official recount is the candidate.

What is going on now is a records request under Florida's Sunshine Act for tabulation records, machine certifications, etc. It's not a recount, and only a recount is official.

A recount, I believe, has to be filed before the vote is certified by the SoS. After that, one would have to file suit. In both cases, the candidate has to be primary party.

Cheers.
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 02:26 AM
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13. When I said someone is fighting
Edited on Fri Nov-05-04 02:27 AM by walldude
I didn't mean the Kerry camp. I even mentioned Bev Harris by name ;) . And if I'm not mistaken if fraud is proven then it doesn't matter if Kerry called for a recount. They don't need to recount the votes to determine fraud.
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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 03:19 AM
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14. Well, the question seemed to be was...
... whether or not Kerry was doing any in the background, and you then mentioned others working in Florida.

And, if fraud is proved, it doesn't change the election results after they've been certified. It only proves that someone committed voting fraud, not that the defrauded candidate won.

Fraud only gets the people participating in the fraud (which I'd like very much to see, if it's the case--the only way to minimize election fraud is to put the people responsible in jail--fines to the campaign don't do any good).

Nah, Kerry had his own reasons for not challenging the results. One day, he may explain them.

Cheers.

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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 03:32 AM
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15. Someone here has said
that they are likely quietly trying to find solid, bankable evidence of fraud, and a whistleblower willing to step forward.

They are in stealth mode. Smart if you ask me.

And I predict a return of "Kerry the Investigator."

Either way, I want him to live to fight another day.
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BrendaStarr Donating Member (491 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 02:04 AM
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11. Other people put millions in and their careers on the line
to help Kerry.

Damn it some people gave too much to the cause for one man to just run and hide.

I'm thinking Soros, celebrities who backed Kerry and then earned emnity from the red states other politicians who will be targeted by the Rs in their next political battle because of their support for Kerry.

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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 04:08 AM
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16. Maybe Kerry has more power in the Senate...
and therefore, he can get to the bottom of what he knows.

I have no doubt that insiders have been slipping him information on this administration. And maybe the best way to beat the repugs at their own game is to expose them for the lying, cheating bastards that they are.

I WANT to believe this election is not over, but it looks pretty grim. But the idea of Senator Kerry returning to fight gives me hope that we WILL learn the truth.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 04:19 AM
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17. If I had his money, I'd move to Europe. eom
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