Like a ton of bricks: throughout the campaign, I kept trying to figure out

[AzDar]

WHY Dumbya was only stumping to pre-screened audiences...how could he possibly win any new supporters by preaching to the choir?
I see it so clearly now; he didn't need to pick up any new votes. KKKarl just had to get Shrub through the campaign without making a complete fool of himself (this failed miserably at times, even under these "ideal" circumstances).They knew they couldn't lose....They planned on stealing it all along. WE NEVER HAD A CHANCE!

[OldLeftieLawyer]

1. Yes

That's what I think, too.

Unless Kerry's lawyers and investigators bust open the Diebold computer game.

[AzDar]

3. I know that hindsight is 20/20, but Jeebus... how did we not see this

before? And STOP it before it happened?

[librechik]

12. I saw it. I just didn't want to beleive it. n/t

[CAcyclist]

16. me,too

I thought it was weird how maunfactured and artificial everything about his events were - why even hold them? I thought it was for show - to show these scenes on tv of the adoring crowd and sort of brainwash us into following their behavior.

But the other thought was he didn't need to build a base because he was going to steal the election. Originally I thought he was just going to declare the elections suspended.

[DoYouEverWonder]

17. Kerry saw it

that is why he's had legal teams organized and working months before the election. Have no doubt they are crunching the data and collecting the evidence now.

Keep in mind, that by law, Ohio will not count their provisional ballots for 11 days after the election. That's one of the reasons why there is very little DEM response to this travesty. They are holding their fire for as long as they can. I think on the 12th day at the latest, all hell will break loose. So hang on, there is definitely more to come. We've only just begun.

[knowbody0]

2. no one this stupid could get ELECTED

[AzDar]

5. True. Of course, Shrub never has been elected! (president, at least)

[kittenpants]

9. ...stupid like a fox, rove anyway... aargh! I'm so mad at them.

[Atman]

4. BINGO!

Why did Dick Cheney give the amount they'd win by on MTP the weekend before the election? He could afford to be smug...he already knew. They could afford all the crazy shit like simply laughing about the bump in the jacket...because they knew. Bush never had to do a fucking thing to answer for anything he'd done, because they knew their bought and paid for media wasn't going to report it, because they already knew they were going to win. There was never any question.

We've been saying for AT LEAST a year that the ONLY way we could beat Bush was to turn out and vote in such massive numbers that the rigged vote wouldn't be believable. So, people waited in line for 10 hours in the rain. Polling places were mobbed all across the nation. HUGE turnouts, just as called for. But THEY CONTROLLED THE MACHINES. If we had turned out a Trillion people, the machines would have recorded a trillion and one votes for Bush...they had the vote embezzelment pre-programmed into the voting machines which just happen to be manufactured by one of thier largest contributors.

You are absolutely correct. We never stood a chance.

[AzDar]

8. Well -said. Makes me want to alternately bawl like a baby, and run

screaming down the street.

[Cleita]

6. I felt the fix was in because of Ah-nold.

No way Ah-nold should have been elected Governor even with the recall. I think fixing the California vote was a test run for the Nov. 2, election.

[CAcyclist]

18. Actually, that's not how he won

He won by promising to roll back people's car tax - he essentially bribed people.Lots of people could quote to the penny how much money they'd get back.

My mom voted for Schwartenegger - lots of democrats I know voted for him - they were blinded by his star power and a lot justified it by saying that he was really a democrat.

No, we Californians(I voted for Cruz) elected him fair and square as far as I can tell.

[Cleita]

19. Actually, for star power, Arianna should have

garnered a lot of votes off of him. I'm not saying she would have won it, but she should have had a Nader effect on him. I think most of us did vote for Cruz and it was delivered to Ahnold. There is a lot of shit going on in California I think in how the votes are recorded. I tried to volunteer to work in a precinct but I couldn't get anyone to return calls and was brushed off a couple of times in person with a promise to have someone call me. I felt they didn't want any outsiders.

[CAcyclist]

21. I probably should have qualified what I said

I think the way the election was set up was definitely irregular - I am just saying I don't think the machines themselves were rigged.

As for Arianna, I think she only split the votes that would have gone to Cruz.

[catbert836]

7. Yes, just include numbers whenever you can and

9/11
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[Butterflies]

10. Yup, you're right

I hadn't realized that before. That just makes me feel sadder - thinking of all or the thousands of people who volunteered for months and the voters who stood in line for hours. The bush people are evil.

[m berst]

11. hidden in plain view, isn't it?

The whole thing just reeks of a fix, and yet people are so agonizingly slow to face it.

Nothing about the last couple of years makes any sense - especially this ridiculous campaign and election we just wirtnessed - except and unless the elections were a fraud.

If your garden rake were missing instead of your democracy, you would call the cops on your neighbor with 1% of the evidence we have of election fraud.

It really has to be denial or fear. If this isn't what a stolen election looks like, what on earth is???

What, are the people in this adminstration too upright and honest for any one to suspect them?

Pure and simple: there needs to be an investigation

[Skittles]

13. you got it

I posted several times during the campaign that come hell or high water, these bastards were not going to let go; they are not through screwing America yet

[Cleita]

15. They couldn't lose because they know they are

guilty of war crimes and more. If they lost power, the left could go after them with indictments. This way they get away with all of this scot free.

[gulliver]

14. They didn't steal it. They obtained it through fraud and

demagogy. It's different.

[demgrrrll]

20. I just read through all of the comments over at Kos about this and

apparently this Fisher guy is saying that Blass? who was Creulla's attorney in 2000 has some connection with a Bay Point School where people are trained to hack to computers. Sounds tin foil hat but think about it, all the people trained at the Florida flight school there didn't they? When the going gets weird the weird turn pro. Thanks Hunter.