I'm a bit perturbed this AM

[shesemsmom]

I dropped my kid off at school and having so much to do today went on to the nursing home to visit my best friend for our regular Tuesday visit. I ran into an old friend who works there and we began to talk and she commented that she was *tickled* about the out come of the election after just telling me about how her two draft age kids were doing. Well as you might guess I lost it. I told her I expected that since she was so thrilled I assumed her kids had already signed up for the service. I certainly didn't think she should think that I should step up and sacrifice mine because she voted for that idiot and his twisted policies. I told her I believed that whom ever voted for that moron should have to sign their kids up first and then we wouldn't be needing to send any of our own. That ought to satisfy shrubs taste for blood for a while. I didn't say goodbye I just walked away leaving her mouth hanging a gap. Shit these people are so proud, It just makes me mad. I don't think she was so proud when I left.:nuke:

[liberal N proud]

1. Obvious Brain Washing!

By any chance is she a GOD fearing Christain that says praise the Lord to anything the minister says?
I find those people are the most sucked in by this crap.

Love your response.

[koopie57]

5. I fear

GOD fearing Christians

[gratuitous]

18. Gosh, please don't

I and my teeny, tiny congregation could use a little help feeding the hungry, visiting the sick and imprisoned, clothing the naked and housing the homeless.

[IdaBriggs]

2. Yeah! You, go, girl! :) nt

[Not Me]

3. I suppose there are hundreds of thousands--perhaps more

strained relationships over this election. I know I have a few.
But I refuse to walk away from my beliefs, and I will not roll over and be silent.

I guess it's all a big realignment in our individual associations.

One of the great things to happen this year for me is the comfort that I have gotten at DU.

[adadem]

12. Me, too

I've made tons of new friends while volunteering on the campaign. I told my "former" best friend that her vote for * was a vote against my children. She loves that red Kool-Aid.

[koopie57]

4. Thank you

for not only telling her off but for letting us hear about it. It will help me through today!

[choicevoice]

6. Bravo!!! Someone needs to tell these idiots the truth

They surely aren't getting it from anywhere else. The television, the print media and their churches all spew the same thing. I feel it is our duty to spread the truth even if it has to happen one person at a time. Again BRAVO !!!!

[fudge stripe cookays]

7. Ugh.

Sorry about your friend. It's always hard to find out someone you've been close to in the past has been brainwashed.

I should be getting a call from a friend who used to work here soon. She was laid off (idiot, huh? Still voted for the bastard.) but got a cushy job at Boeing not long after.

First thing I'm going to say to her is, "Didja vote for Bush?" If she says "Well, yes," I'm just going to tell her we don't have anything else to say to each other.

Your response was merited, and correct. There's another one here at work with 3 draftable sons, who doesn't seem to give a damn about it. Her response? It's just the sacrifice that mothers with sons have to make.

FSC

[havocmom]

8. Good for you! It is well past time to stop letting fools get by with crap

Some will never change, no hope for them. But some are just too lazy/self centered to pay attention. It is fine to blast away at them with the cold water cannon of reality!

Trying to get the link for enlistment papers, but it is not coming up for me this morning. We all need to download/print/carry them with us to shove in front of chicken hawk fools. Tell them you'll drop their signed papers off at the recruiters yourself and save them the trouble. Time for the dip-shits to put up of shut up.


Edited to add: OK got the link up:
http://www.dior.whs.mil/forms/DD0004.pdf
Have fun with it!

[DoYouEverWonder]

9. My sentiments exactly

I have a 12 year old boy and it will have to be over my dead body before I will ever let them take him.

However, every person I meet that supports Bush, I ask them why are they still here? Why aren't they in Iraq supporting their leader, fighting his war? I certainly would prefer for them to go, so that my only child will never have to.

[rkc3]

10. Glad to hear I'm not the only one whose brain hurts when I talk to repubs.

There are three buttons in the office to remind us libruls that "W is for Winner."

It makes it very hard to walk into these offices and keep my mouth shut - and with 30+ years experience as the class clown that's a tough task.

I keep telling myself that it's only four more years and maybe we'll survive it.

[WyLoochka]

11. I haven't let one

Bush* voter off the hook. Anyone who tells me they voted for that fascist gets an earful about what a fool they were to have voted against their own interests, and then I tell 'em - and I am coming back to haunt you with "I told you so...I told you so... I told you so. You are not going to be permitted to deny your culpability when the fascists destroy just about everything you say you hold dear. I am personally going to hold you accountable for your anti American, anti Founding Fathers, pro fascist vote. Shame on you."

Do we have nice conversations following this? NO - but frankly, I don't give a damn anymore about having "nice conversations" with fascist enablers. I know I'll get flamed here, "can't accomplish anything by not being 'nice' and all that pablum..." Save it, diplomat I am not. I want them to know, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that I hold them in utter contempt and personally responsible for aiding and abetting the fascist takeover of this once great country.

[Laelth]

13. Too little, too late, perhaps?

I found myself in a similar situation to the original poster, yesterday, as I was getting a haircut. My hair stylist was telling me that she had just had the natural gas disconnected from her house. She said she could no longer afford to pay the outrageous gas bill. I asked her if she had "shopped around" for another company that was, perhaps, offering lower natural gas prices in our de-regulated energy market. She said that she had, but that all the rates from all the companies were outrageously high. I couldn't help but mention, "You know, when they told us that de-regulation would make the prices lower for everyone, they lied." She said, "Yes. Just like all the politicians do whenever they open their mouths." This was the point at which I got a little aggressive. I replied, "Well, no. Not really. If I remember correctly, one party was telling us that de-regulation would increase competition and lower rates. The other party, though, was saying that de-regulation was a bad idea--that it would give unelected corporate execs the power to set rates and rip us all off. One party lied. The other was telling the truth."

My stylist changed the subject at this point, and I felt I had said enough and made my point. After all, I didn't want my hair butchered. Still, this was rather aggressive for me. Being a polite, genteel, Southerner, I am reticent to discuss politics openly with business associates or casual acquaintances. Now, I feel more inclined to engage those same people on the differences between our national parties. I wonder if many of us are reacting to this election by being more vocal about our politics. I also wonder if it's too little and too late.

-Laelth

[Iris]

15. OMG. Can you imagine going through life this way?

Not being able to afford fuel for your home and then just chalking it up to "all politicians lying"?

I really believe a lot of people who vote Republican simply do not believe things can be better. This is their lot in life and they've accepted it.

[Laelth]

19. I think you're right.

It's "hard work" to be a good citizen of a democracy. It means paying attention to what's going on, and most Americans don't do that. Many people see no difference in policies between the two major parties. They take for granted the liberal achievements of our nation (end of slavery, womens' suffrage, child labor laws, the 40-hour work week, the national parks, social security, unemployment insurance, civil rights, Medicare, Medicaid, legal aid, and Roe v. Wade), and then just assume that all politicians are crooks trying to line their pockets and rip us off. This flies in the face of reality. Liberals have always fought to make the lot of Americans, as a whole, better.

How many Americans actually know this? Very few, I think. The free press has failed us. It now serves only its laissez-faire corporate masters, and all those achievements listed above are in real jeopardy. It will take a major calamity, I'm afraid, to wake people up and make them pay attention again.

-Laelth

[Iris]

20. We may be in the midst of a major calmity right now.

I heard David Brock on AAR and he said we are about to find out what having a conservative government really means.

[AllegroRondo]

26. As Sartre said

how can anything be wrong? this is the best of all possible worlds!

[Laelth]

33. I think that was Leibniz, actually.

Voltaire's response to him in Candide was one of the foundational works of the modern liberal democracies. Most of our founding fathers were aware of that debate, and our nation took the path of science and the enlightenment as opposed to faith and religion. Thus, the very basis of liberal, democratic government is at stake now. It seems the masses prefer blind faith in an unaccountable ruler who is God's representative on Earth ... i.e. Monarchy.

-Laelth

[AllegroRondo]

36. I stand corrected

Now I'll have the Candide musical running though my head all day.

[Iris]

14. Anyone who uses the word "tickled" to describe the outcome of an election

shouldn't be allowed to vote.

[shesemsmom]

24. Oh Yes

Tickled was the word she used. That I think is when i saw RED

[Stand and Fight]

16. Right On!

:yourock:
I could not agree with you more -- I am most definitely in one of the reddest states out there, Oklahoma, and I must say that I fight the good fight everyday. There is not a day that goes by that I do not find myself stumped by the blindness of a Bush voter. To make it even worse, I'm not from here and I was once a staunch Republican. However, all of that started to change when they begun attacking Clinton. I can tell you now that there are people that I work with who continue to be upset about Clinton NOT being impeached. To imagine the tenacity it would take for several of these people to tell me to "get over it" in regards to the election! I'm originally from Las Vegas, Nevada and my wife is from Washington state. So, it makes it very hard for me to have to deal with so many dammed Bush reporters here -- especially living in a town that has been so heavily affected by his fiscal policies, or lack thereof, and they still think * is so great... It is somewhat sad. Needless to say, I cannot wait to be through with my job here. I abhor this area. There are some Democrats here, but few and far between.

[2bfree]

17. Oh dear..........

Are we related? I'm having a hard time keeping my mouth shut as well! Good for you!

[AmerDem]

21. Good for you

This is exactly what you should have done. As I tell everyone, all of these chest beaters ( especially between the ages of 18-30 ) have an obligation to enlist NOW in any of the branches of service. All branches of service are way down on their quotas for enlistment and the ones that were so willing to vote for this jughead in office have a direct responsibility to fill those empty enlistment slot!

[Toucano]

22. This is the third week

since Black Tuesday 04.

Obviously, many of us have moved on to the anger stage.

Good for you!

[Hong Kong Cavalier]

27. I think I'm permanently stuck in the Anger stage.

I'm gonna be angry for a hell of along time to come, and I'm gonna show my contempt for those who votef for Bush** and complain about something that Kerry would have made an effort to fix, like the economy, the illegal occupation, the environment. If anyone dares to complain to me about any of those things, and I find out they voted for Bush**, my reply to them will be "Tough shit! You voted for him, you DEAL WITH IT!!!"

Yeah, it's going to be an angry four years.

[ebayfool]

28. dupe n/t

[ebayfool]

29. 'many of us have moved on to the anger stage'

I skipped over the others to that stage on Nov 3rd. My oldest daughter & I are barely speaking over her vote for *ush. When I point out the crap he's doing already (no child left undrugged, draft, debt, etc) she gets flippant & says she doesn't want to discuss 'politics'. I have been raising her handicapped son (I'm sure the draftboard will try to disallow that, SSI started when the gop came into power) so it INFURIATES me that she could be so cavalier @ things like this that will directly affect her only son!

BTW - the only way she will not discuss 'politics' in my house is to stay OUT of my house! If I were at her home I wouldn't push this, but she has to take ownership of that vote in mine. She won't fight for this boy, but he's been my child for 13 years now - & I by damn will!

rant/off

[Toucano]

30. I totally understand

I went off on some "W" brandishing maroons on Monday. It's just that time, I guess.

One was complaining about tightened airport security for the holiday, and I said, "That's ridiculous! We caught Saddam! The American People are safer! We did what Osama told us to do."

It really pissed them off.

[Dyedinthewoolliberal]

23. Hey! That brings to mind

an idea that we ought get started. That is, whoever voted for * has to give their kids up to the military.
When enough of the kids come home in a box, maybe they won't be so thrilled with their choice.

[otohara]

25. You Go Girl!

I haven't had the chance, but I'm itching to say something similar to some right-wing mom I know. Our kids our "draft age" also.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

31. I face the prospect of Thanksgiving dinner with a rightwing brother

If he starts gloating, I'm just going to say, "It's a relief to know that whatever happens in the next four years isn't my fault. You've got what you wanted. Enjoy it."

There are several ways in which the Bush proposals could affect him negatively, but I'm going to let him learn that for himself.

[Cleita]

32. Good for you.

It's about time we became outspoken about this. Also, not all seemingly Bush supporters are that supportive. I was wearing my "I worked my ass off, so why did I get this ass (Bush)" T-shirt from Cafe Press when the shuttle came to pick up my husband to take him to his clinic appointment. The driver is a big redneck looking guy who wears a baseball cap that has stars and stripes all over it.

He told me he liked my shirt and smiled.

I breathed a sigh of relief. I hadn't intended to wear it when he came but I forgot I had it on.

[shesemsmom]

34. Oh WOW

I just noticed that this got flamed. Wow now I feel important as well as perturbed, But I must say after reading your comments that I feel better and more than justified, because I doubt I'll speak to her again. I helped deliver her children for crying out loud. I can't believe that live isn't precious to her.

[CatBoreal]

35. I have to endure Christmas with...

my right wing in-laws. I'm thinking of printing out some photos of the kids injured in Fallulah and keeping them in my pocket. When the dinner conversation eventually moves into politics and they start getting into the whole "The Americans are liberating Iraq" I'll toss a few of them on their plates and yell: "Viva la liberation!"

Cam