The casual Republican's perspective on the WH Lies

[RevolutionStartsNow]

My husband is a "casual Republican"; he votes Repub, when he bothers to vote at all. He instinctively distrusts Dems, but also has come to realize that * is rather dimwitted. I suspect he is more representative of the typical Repub than the Freepers.

His comments so far on this WMD Lies issue: "Well, all politicians lie -- I bet there are lies in every speech." and "It was still the right thing to do to get rid of Saddam."

While he would never jump to Bush's defense on this, he's also not likely to be outraged.

I bet there are many more like him -- of course if a Democratic president had done this same thing, he'd be all over it. Party loyalty is going to keep a lot of people from admitting how outrageous these lies are.

[kentuck]

1. Would he feel the same if your child was in Iraq ?

There's a bit of unreality and a bit of distorted reality in our thinking...

[bearfan454]

2. I know what you mean

My wife didn't like Clinton because of the bj but she had a very high paying job at the time. Now she works for Walmart as a cashier for 8.00 an hour. I told her that she might not like Clinton, but at least you could get a job when he was president.

[BOSSHOG]

3. So the casual republican would find fault with the conservative

full frontal assault on Bill Clinton for "lying?" We haven't "gotten rid of Saddam." Do we know where he is? Has the bush administration put an end to terrorism by "getting rid of" Saddam? Party loyalty is the cowards way out. Eat your crow republicans. bush cooked it up for you. Where are the flag wavers today? Please share with your husband my disdain for his attitude. Tell him, his attitude is killing our kids in iraq, but I guess that is okay to a "casual republican." I find blood stains on camouflage uniforms far more disgusting that cum stains on a dress.

[priller]

4. How does he feel about the $4 billion a month price tag?

Most Republicans are supposedly offended by wasteful govt programs. There's non more wasteful than the Pentagon. What's his view of the cost? Add in the $1.5 billion a month we're spending in Afghanistan. Worth it?

[lcordero]

5. Did he like the fact that this lie costed 210+ American lives on top of

4 billion dollars a month of tax dollars?

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6. I agree that his stance is outrageous

because it doesn't take into account the cost of this war, particularly the deaths.

My point was simply that party loyalty can cause people to be blinded to the real story here. Even a casual observer like my husband isn't jumping on this, because he'd have to admit that he supports the wrong party (raise your hand if your spouse likes to admit they are wrong, LOL). Imagine how much harder it will be with the die-hards.

[TomNickell]

8. We don't need to convert the diehards....

We just need to bleed off 1-in-20 or 1-in-20 who would otherwise vote Republican. That converts the narrow Democratic victory of the last election into a solid Democratic victory they won't be able to steal.

[TomNickell]

7. Well, my tax accountant....

Last April, before the war obviously, I got into a conversation with the accountant doing our taxes. A pretty mainstream conservative guy in a very conservative community.

He raised the issue--taking advantage of a rare encounter with a liberal, I think. The man was very troubled by the whole question, including the prospect of Iraqi suffering. The question whether the WMDs would actually be found was important to him.

For conservatives holding any kind of consistent principles, this war was wrong in many different directions. If the war had ended perfectly, with Iraqi children kissing American troops and a stable parliamentary democracy with an independent judiciary and a fluorishing market economy, all the principles would have been forgotten. In the situation we actually have, I think these questions fester and come back to bite Mr. Bush.

[quilp]

9. Supporting Bush in a lie is not "party loyalty".

It is loyalty to one man. Too many countries have gone down that road. Your husband will see how dangerous that is. Remind your husband Clinton was impeached for "lying" that did not bring on a war. As a Republican does he still support that impeachment?

[RevolutionStartsNow]

10. Yes he does

Interestingly enough, he voted for Clinton. But he turned on him immediately after he was elected because he felt like Clinton disrespected the Repubs that voted for him. He thought Clinton ran as someone who would not play partisan politics and make positive changes for everyone, and then he felt betrayed. So he hates Clinton.