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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-03 10:12 AM
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Clinton was impeached for THIS...now it's Bush's turn

Starr Report
Grounds For Impeachment

There is Substantial and Credible Information that

President Clinton Committed Acts that

May Constitute Grounds for an Impeachment


Introduction

Pursuant to Section 595(c) of Title 28, the Office of Independent Counsel (OIC) hereby submits substantial and credible information that President Clinton obstructed justice during the Jones v. Clinton sexual harassment lawsuit by lying under oath and concealing evidence of his relationship with a young White House intern and federal employee, Monica Lewinsky. After a federal criminal investigation of the President's actions began in January 1998, the President lied under oath to the grand jury and obstructed justice during the grand jury investigation. There also is substantial and credible information that the President's actions with respect to Monica Lewinsky constitute an abuse of authority inconsistent with the President's constitutional duty to faithfully execute the laws.

There is substantial and credible information supporting the following eleven possible grounds for impeachment:

1. President Clinton lied under oath in his civil case when he denied a sexual affair, a sexual relationship, or sexual relations with Monica Lewinsky.

2. President Clinton lied under oath to the grand jury about his sexual relationship with Ms. Lewinsky.

3. In his civil deposition, to support his false statement about the sexual relationship, President Clinton also lied under oath about being alone with Ms. Lewinsky and about the many gifts exchanged between Ms. Lewinsky and him.

4. President Clinton lied under oath in his civil deposition about his discussions with Ms. Lewinsky concerning her involvement in the Jones case.

5. During the Jones case, the President obstructed justice and had an understanding with Ms. Lewinsky to jointly conceal the truth about their relationship by concealing gifts subpoenaed by Ms. Jones's attorneys.

6. During the Jones case, the President obstructed justice and had an understanding with Ms. Lewinsky to jointly conceal the truth of their relationship from the judicial process by a scheme that included the following means: (i) Both the President and Ms. Lewinsky understood that they would lie under oath in the Jones case about their sexual relationship; (ii) the President suggested to Ms. Lewinsky that she prepare an affidavit that, for the President's purposes, would memorialize her testimony under oath and could be used to prevent questioning of both of them about their relationship; (iii) Ms. Lewinsky signed and filed the false affidavit; (iv) the President used Ms. Lewinsky's false affidavit at his deposition in an attempt to head off questions about Ms. Lewinsky; and (v) when that failed, the President lied under oath at his civil deposition about the relationship with Ms. Lewinsky.

7. President Clinton endeavored to obstruct justice by helping Ms. Lewinsky obtain a job in New York at a time when she would have been a witness harmful to him were she to tell the truth in the Jones case.

8. President Clinton lied under oath in his civil deposition about his discussions with Vernon Jordan concerning Ms. Lewinsky's involvement in the Jones case.

9. The President improperly tampered with a potential witness by attempting to corruptly influence the testimony of his personal secretary, Betty Currie, in the days after his civil deposition.

10. President Clinton endeavored to obstruct justice during the grand jury investigation by refusing to testify for seven months and lying to senior White House aides with knowledge that they would relay the President's false statements to the grand jury -- and did thereby deceive, obstruct, and impede the grand jury.

11. President Clinton abused his constitutional authority by (i) lying to the public and the Congress in January 1998 about his relationship with Ms. Lewinsky; (ii) promising at that time to cooperate fully with the grand jury investigation; (iii) later refusing six invitations to testify voluntarily to the grand jury; (iv) invoking Executive Privilege; (v) lying to the grand jury in August 1998; and (vi) lying again to the public and Congress on August 17, 1998 -- all as part of an effort to hinder, impede, and deflect possible inquiry by the Congress of the United States.

The first two possible grounds for impeachment concern the President's lying under oath about the nature of his relationship with Ms. Lewinsky. The details associated with those grounds are, by their nature, explicit. The President's testimony unfortunately has rendered the details essential with respect to those two grounds, as will be explained in those grounds. (Continues...)
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quilp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-03 10:19 AM
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1. YES!! Every Republican who vote for impeachment should be asked.
"Do you still believe it was justified? And Why?
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-03 10:20 AM
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2. Step One:
Get them on the record, under oath.
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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-03 10:25 AM
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4. It was never about 'being under oath'...
...The Pukes set a 'perjury trap' for Clinton by asking him embarrassing questions about his personal life. The 'under oath' crap was just an excuse to push the impeachment forward. Clinton's 'crimes' never rose to the level of high crimes.

- The Clinton impeachment was the last step in a series of witch hunts and fishing expeditions where the Neocons were looking for ANYTHING to force Clinton to resign.

- Remember...they started with WHITEWATER and ended with a sex scandal.

- The point: if a president can be impeached for lies about sex...certainly Bush* can be impeached for lying about the need for war.
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SoFlaJets Donating Member (556 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-03 10:21 AM
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3. Um excuse me....
but Ari said it was over-this is not a scandal keep repeating it to yourself as you whistle past the grave yard.Hide under thye blankie George until the monster goes away and say"it was Bill Clinton who actually told Tenet about the nukes"Who wants to bet that somehow Clinton gets dragged into this.Ooops it already is happening;saw this morning one of the military guys on MSNBC saying"George Tenet-who is actually a CLINTON appointee...."They are the accountability party thank god the adults are in charge again...
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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-03 10:31 AM
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5. We can apply this same 'logic' to Bush's* Lies:
There also is substantial and credible information that the President's actions with respect to Monica Lewinsky constitute an abuse of authority inconsistent with the President's constitutional duty to faithfully execute the laws.

- Doesn't 'president' Bush* have the same 'duty' to faithfully execute the laws?
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