About "outing" gay republicans.

[DrWeird]

Regarding whether or not "outing" the apparently already out Jeff Gannon, is homophobic, not that I think this is a substantial problem, but it sure is annoying. let's use a metaphor.

Let's say you're German, in the early 1930's. You're in the Democratic Party, the Reichstag is standing, and you're worried about this new Hitler guy that seems to be gaining popularity. Among his many platforms, his views on Jews ring particularly loud in the ears of the German voters.

Now, let's say you've got irrefutable proof that Hitler, despite his views on Jewish ancestry, is in fact part Jewish. Do you include this small but rather significant piece of information when discussing him? Or would you not out Hitler, for fear of bring anti-semitic?

[UdoKier]

1. Of course I would "out" Hitler.

Jewish ancestry would show what a total fraud he was.

Just as the PATTERN of hypocrisy and criminal behavior among most republicans shows what frauds they and their belief system are.

[hippiechick]

2. I'd think you'd out him, simply to demonstrate his hypocrisy

and to underline how what he SAYS and what he DOES are two different things. Some regular citizens need to have it broken down into that simplistic form of evidence in order to see these pols for what they really are.


JMHO ~

[pelagius]

3. The whole "outing" phenomena is distasteful to me...

...but if someone makes public statements decrying certain activities and is later found to be engaging in the very activities he denounces, it's fair game, I say.

For example, Bill Bennett's gambling was/is his own personal business. When he chose to annoint himself as America's teacher of virtues, though, he opened himself up to the type of scrutiny he received.

[oasis]

4. Let the chips fall where they may on this one. Full speed ahead.(eom)

[davidinalameda]

5. do you have any idea why someone might hide the fact that they're gay

do you have any idea?

and isn't it legitimate for people in any community to have differing opinions on issues?

if they're saying that all gays should be rounded up and put in death camps, yeah, I would out the person but comparing some of these people to Hitler is a bit extreme

[DrWeird]

8. Oh, I have some idea.

So you're saying you wouldn't out Hitler, because then he might be a victim of anti-semitism?

[Swamp Rat]

6. Happy Valentine's Day!

[Bouncy Ball]

7. Yep, I'd out him in a second.

Because it would make him a HUGE hypocrite and show people that he is one.

People would start to question his credibility, which would eat away at his power, which would mean his power to persecute Jews would be diminished, by however much it would be.

That would be worth it to me.

[CindyDale]

9. Yes, it would show that he's a nut job

and that is the real point you'd be trying to make.

[ck4829]

10. Yes, I would

There are 2 ways of doing it.

Let's continue on this Hitler scenario.

You are a champion of the Jewish people and wish nothing but to expand their rights and freedom, so by saying Hitler is a Jew you are in a way standing up for them.

If you were a constant Anti-Semite and your hatred of Jews was comparable to Hitler, than you are just doing it to 'out' Hitler.

[Beetwasher]

11. Exactly, That's Why Calling Gannon a GAY Hooker Is Perfectly Legitimate

These assholes make the distinction when they are anti GAY marriage. They make the distinction, they OWN the hypocrisy.

Great analogy doc! :thumbsup:

[Joe Power]

12. Outing hypocrites is the real issue

Who cares if they're gay? It is only an issue if they publicly support anti-gay policy or a party that promotes such nonsense. If so, have at them.

[pelagius]

13. "Hitler" hypotheticals are the worst sort of hypothetical...

...situations to set up, because -- barring a few freaks -- everyone has a moral certainty derived from hindsight about Hitler.

[in_cog_ni_to]

14. I would out Hitler in a heartbeat.

ANY gay repuke who supports this administration and their agenda, should most definitely be outed. It's the hypocrisy factor working here. They deserve it. They actually support amending the friggin' CONSTITUTION to stop gays from marrying! Doesn't that bother you in the least? It does me.

[verdalaven]

15. Let's look at this from another perspective

What if Jeff Gannon was Jessica Gannon, fake Coulteresque journalist for the right by day, call girl escort by night? Would anyone have a problem with "outing" her night job to reveal her for the hypocrite she is? I don't think so.

Besides, I don't see Gannon's being gay as the issue. The real issue is why did this administration allow a person they knew was not a journalist access to the WHPC, and not only that, they gave premium access to the President to a person who they knew (they had to know!)was participating in prostitution. Of all the RW weirdos out there to thrust into the limelight, why play with fire and put "Gannon" out there? It just seems strange.

Unless someone in the White House is trying to hurt Bush politically.

[ICantBelieve]

16. Isn't this analogy flawed?

Jeff Gannon is not the leader. Hitler was the leader. I don't think the analogy is valid. Would you "out" some Jewish reporter in Nazi Germany? Would that have the same effect as outing Hitler? Of course not.

Now, if you've got some proof that George W. Bush is gay, well, that would be something!!!

[lala_rawraw]

17. Yes

Beause then the whole argument is given the context: self-hatred. It is not the outing of gay Republicans by the way. It is outing of anti-gay, NeoCon people who will skewer their own to get ahead. No, sorry, they must be outed. These people are creating a hate environment against gays, while they happily live their lives. The thing is they are playing with peoples' lives, destorying them even.

[goodhue]

18. Would you out Bush?

Would you out McClellan?