A couple of notes to lurking Conservatives

[RobertSeattle]

1. Please quit quoting - especially out of context - Presidents FDR, Truman, Kennedy, and Clinton.
2. We don't need any "advice" from Republicans in regards to how to run the Democratic Party.
3. The next time you are "outraged" by something a Democrat said or did, take a second and ask yourself would you be equally "outraged" if a Republican did exactly the same thing?
4. A good idea, regardless of who it came from, is a good idea.
5. A bad idea, regardless of who it came from, is a bad idea.

DUers, please add your own...

[shoelace414]

1. how about

When complaining about something remember, your side controls all three branches of the government.

[MostlyLurks]

2. Facts Are Facts

Facts are neither "my facts" nor "your facts" - they are facts. Their source can be refuted, but not their substance.

[Eloriel]

7. Yes, and speaking of which -- you're entitled to your own opinions

but NOT your own facts.

[MostlyLurks]

23. I think you're wrong...

As a matter of fact, NewsDrudgeMaxTalonDaily says that 92% of all facts are unfactual. ;)

[Deep13]

72. Bingo!

Fact is fact regardless of what bullshit spin is put on it.

[AZCat]

13. Speaking of sources...

We like to see them, but please refrain from using "echo sites".

It bolsters your credibility when you can actually back up an argument, and while I can only speak for myself, I will be more willing to listen to your points if I can determine their validity.

[Snotcicles]

68. Mark Twain said

Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example.

[Nimrod]

3. 6: The next time you are defending a Republican..

Ask yourself if you would be as supportive if a Democrat did exactly the same thing.

[seabeyond]

21. next time you ARENT outraged by something a repug has done

ask yourself if you would be outraged if it was a democrat

i agree, wanted to add my way, lol

[cyclezealot]

4. We all say odd things off the cuff.

Look at Ann Coulter or Dubya off mike, about his hatred for certain reporters.

[Aristus]

5. Stop using Jesus to justify your hatred and bigotry.

Jesus is everything you hate: Love, compassion, mercy, forgiveness. He was a long-haired, pacifist, liberal, socialist Jew. And you claim to worship this guy?

Get real. :eyes:

[Merlot]

29. Someone should make a bumper sticker out of that!

"Jesus : Love, compassion, mercy, forgiveness. He was a long-haired, pacifist, liberal, socialist Jew. "

[Cannikin]

60. Thank you!

[Warpy]

6. And then there's

Good people are allowed to be wrong and to disagree. We on the left disagree with each other all the time. Remember that your opionion is just that, and wasn't graven into stone and passed down through the ages either, and treat everyone else with the same respect that you desire.

[swag]

8. Congratulations on your Deficit Champions!

Ronald Reagan, George HW Bush, and the Grand Champion of all (and on the verge of adding Trillions, as proud Dick Cheney recently told Fox News Sunday)

GEORGE W. BUSH

(with a little help from Dennis Hastert, Bill Frist, and the Republican Majority of Deficit Champions in Congress, of course)

[RobertSeattle]

17. Corollary: Don't Lecture Democrats on Deficit Spending

For 30 years it was standard Republican mantra about how evil Deficits were - when you gained power you only made them worse.

[ElectroPrincess]

9. Despite your desire and insistence ...

Alan Colmes is not considered a mainstream Democrat by most DUers. No we will not aspire to be as accommodating when discussing issues with right wing radicals.

Also, Desire as you might, we also don't elevate Joe Lieberman's values and style as that of an ideal democratic "role model" for our peers and children to emulate.

[ClintonTyree]

20. Alan Colmes.............

isn't he that cardboard cut-out they set next to Hannity on FAUX? I thought I heard the name before. :shrug:

[trotsky]

37. Nah, a cardboard cut-out might actually win an argument with Hannity.

Colmes always backs down.

[ProfessorGAC]

10. How About: What Are You STILL So Angry About?

They are incapable of framing an opinion without misplaced outrage. The Professor

[Democrat 4 Ever]

11. Be sure and donate since you are using this site as a

political truth university. Education is not free and you should pay up. You can then go back to your "community" better informed, hopefully you will choose to contribute to a smarter freeperland - so fork it over. And if you "underwhelm" them with your knowledge you will always be welcome back here as long as you play nice.

silly type - oops!

[trotsky]

12. Remember that liberals ALWAYS win in the end.

Your side is doomed to failure, conservative.

Monarchy? You lost.
Slavery? You lost.
Women's suffrage? You lost.
Civil rights? You lost.
Gay rights? You're losing.

[fasttense]

32. You hit it on the head. That's why liberals are progressives

because they want society to grow and progress.

[displacedtexan]

14. And stop asking us to provide info on "Good Dem Party Websites," ...

"Good Dem Party info sources," and "Good Left-leaning blogs."

I'm also sick of all of the "Let's divide & conquer DU by pitting its members against each other by using wedge issues."

We need a control word (known to us through PMing only) to warn DUers when we suspect one of these trolls.

[ClintonTyree]

15. And we're not falling for your...............

main stream media controlled assessment of Howard Dean as our Democratic Party Chairman. We see through your bullshit. You KNOW he's going to be the one who kicks your asses back beneath the rocks you crawled from under, SO SHUT THE HELL UP ABOUT IT!

[peacetalksforall]

16. If you can't take a few minutes to check a history book for yourself,

don't discount all the parallels between the definitions of and application of fascism, communism, nazism, totalianarism in other decades and centurees and today's right wing cabal in America (a merger of military, intelligence, banking, media, politicians, and industry-corporations) and whose agenda is to dominate to the point of slavery, camps, and serfdom, if you have the capability to project about where this is going.

Try to get your mind around what is really happening here with the thought that we may no longer be practicing democracy, but that we are having religion forced on us - a 180 turn from what we have been told is the main reason white people from Europe came to this land.

[zbdent]

18. On #3

Don't "spin" when your outrage is dampened by someone who points out (with hardcopy evidence) where your party decided to let such actions/words slide with just a shrug of your shoulders and "boys will be boys", or something to that effect. (Packwood/Thomas/Gingrich/Giordano/Giuliani vs. Clinton is a prime example)

[livinginphotographs]

19. I will stop backing up facts with quotes from www.michaelmoore.com

If you stop "backing up" "facts" from worldnetdaily or some other equally shitty rag.

[laheina]

49. I'll give you 10 to 1 odds

that if a repug says it then it was on Drudge that very morning. They aren't intellectually curious enough to take it farther than that. :puke:

[Ravenseye]

22. Make Cogent Arguments and We Will Listen

Spew hate, opinion, or drivel and we won't.

Use facts, ask questions (even pointed questions), and maintain civility and maybe we can all learn something.

If you come here to rant or to lecture, you're not going to go far. If you come here to engage, listen, and discuss you'll (generally) be accepted.

I know I for one enjoy an interesting and civil discussion of the issues with a conservative who knows what they're talking about. I've learned things before, and I know the conservatives I've talked to have learned things themselves. The more we isolate ourselves and yell the worse the rift in this country will get.

[applegrove]

24. Please stop trying to change the truth about fascism.

Your Neocon leaders copied Disraeli's musings on 19th Century politics and came up with only one thing on their own: Neocons tried to update Disraeli’s ideas for the 20th Century by bullying us into ignore all the facts of the 20th Century. Noise will not hide the fact that the neocons are actually intellectually void. As hard as you try, fascism is not a product of the left. The facts are that fascism is based on right wing patriotism, phony pride, and propaganda. Fascism tricks a nation into fulfilling the needs of a narrow elite.

[Freedom_from_Chains]

25. It's about principles, not personalities.

n/t

[ArnoldLayne]

26. The Republican is now the party of Borrow and Spend

Borrow and Spend. :dem:

[laheina]

50. Or pilfer and steal ;) nt

[No Exit]

27. "You love war so much, get thee to a recruiting office!" n/t

[alittlelark]

28. This may be petty, but PLEASE use the 'Check Spelling' option.

Capitalization can be good too (the 'shift' key)!

[Sparkly]

30. Retire the old "WE look like foolish conspiracy theorists" line

As in "WE look like foolish conspiracy theorists talking about election fraud / Plame / Guckert / anthrax / FBI memos / Chimp's back bulge, etc. etc..."

[Old Mouse]

31. READ the Bible before you quote it

[fasttense]

33. Good one, Old Mouse. n/t

[Enraged_Ape]

34. Approximately 10% of you right-wing conservatives are gay

Like 10% of everybody.

Count up all your right-wing friends and do the math.

[skids]

48. No good. They'd have to have at least 10. n/t

[Enraged_Ape]

58. You're right. I forgot about that.

Maybe they can count their cousins, grandparents, and the guys at their militia meetings.

[ScreamingMeemie]

35. Screwing around on one's country and lying about it is far more dangerous

to Democracy than screwing around on one's wife. :hi:

[Old and In the Way]

36. Remember to read the directions

when making the Kool-Aid. Or, if you can't read, get your mom to make it for you.

[KayLaw]

38. Conservatives? Here?

Really, I've encountered very few conservatives on this boards. People who listen slavishly to Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, etc. are not conservatives in my mind. They may be conservative-wannabe's but that's it. Conservatives don't support Big Brother, borrow-and-blow it government.

[RobertSeattle]

44. Excellent point - The Modern GOP is not Conservative

They are radicals.

[Kansas Wyatt]

39. George W. Bush is the most liberal budget deficit president in history.

Also, quit lying about the "liberal media." Everyone is aware of who gets burned in a negative light and who gets powder-puff questions.

Powder-Puff....
Cheerleader....
George W. Bush

[hatrack]

40. News flash for lurking conservatives

Bill Clinton is no longer President of the United States.

He stopped being President of the United States at 12:00 EST on 20 January, 2001, after reaching the end of his constitutionally mandated second term.

[applegrove]

41. Pretend that your enconomic policies do not benefit the elites.

Right now the Big Oil stock holders are making money hand over fist while their wealth is not sucked away by inflation like it was in the 1970s - even though the USA is at war. The Wal-Marts are making money by the open trade taking place in the world. This all takes place at a cost of jobs in the USA.

Don't you ever say that the Middle Class doesn't pay there way - or their taxes. They pay for everything. They even paid for the end of the cold war.

[MadisonProgressive]

42. If you've posted the exact same opinion in multiple threads

and nobody here is buying into it - don't keep going to more threads and posting the same garbage.:mad:

[applegrove]

43. Pretend that you were ordained to have complete control over every aspect

of your life. Don't start seething because it is 'black history month' and you have to listen.

Human beings make choices: they don't get to decided what each and every single one of the choices is.

[kiraboo]

45. Anybody ever notice how the lurking freepers

don't make comments on thread directed at them? We know they read 'em, but they want to pretend they don't. }(

[Mad_Dem_X]

46. Two words for them:

FUCK OFF!

[Burma Jones]

47. Remember, Tim McVeigh was one of YOU..............

In fact, the Taliban and Osama share much of your worldview........

[AuntiBush]

55. Right-on! Fellow Marylander!

:hi:

[Name removed]

62. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Burma Jones]

63. Well, name caller.........

First off, calling me a Dick right up front is stupid and annoying.

Here are some of the similarities between the present Republican right wing world view and the Taliban's: Appeal to authority without question. Objectifying Others. Mixing religion and government. Indoctrination instead of education. A "return" to religious values. The death penalty.

And, given that we all get tarred with the "flag burning, America Hating" label when so very few of us practice such activities, what problem do you have with a taste of your own medicine?

Also, remember, Right Wing American terrorists have killed far more innocent Americans than have American lefties.

If our "side" has Stalin and Mao, your "side" has Hitler and Tojo........... Anyway, Stalin and Mao practiced and justified torture, just like your buddies. Stalin and Mao imprisoned people without charges.

And yes, I will admit that the American Left has more in common with Stalin and Mao than it does with the Taliban and Al Queda

[Name removed]

69. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Burma Jones]

70. Apology accepted

RW American terrorists are: The Ku Klux Klan and Tim McVeigh, there are probably others, but I think those two will do. The Klan and the Militia movement from which McVeigh arose, are decidedly right wing, certainly not mainstream, but certainly right wing.

I agree with you about House Cat and Tiger - but years of dealing with Hannity and Limbaugh have made some of us take up our adversaries' tactics. And when you threw down "Dick", I figured you were one yourself.

While you may be a reasonable guy, perhaps in the Goldwater mold, many of the right-leaning people I see tend to think there's no evil associated with their way of thinking. I see too much dealing in absolutes. There are very few absolutes. So, the Right Wingers that peruse these pages should probably take a look at what Right Wing thinking, taken to its extreme, can produce.

[Burma Jones]

65. Oh, and if you haven't figured it out

This site is all about rhetoric, or do you not know what rhetoric means??????

[Burma Jones]

66. One More Thing - Stalin and Mao are dead and gone

The Taliban and Osama, not to mention the Klan, are still alive and kicking...........

[skids]

51. Don't assume everyone here is a Democrat.

The person you are arguing with might be an independant, or Green, or one of many other things. Nor, as has been pointed out, do even the Democrats here consider everything each and every Democrat and the Democratic party as a whole does to neccessarily fully reflect their own views.

Especially if you hail from FreeRepublic, you might find this to be a bit perturbing. Here we respect dissent. What unifies us are our values, not a "party line."

Just bashing on the institution of the Democratic Party or individual Democrats won't help you. The principles and facts behind the matter are what we like to discuss.

[ultraist]

52. Stop using the "reverse discrimination" and "white guilt" repuke tpoints

Stop expecting us to buy into your defense of Bush's CULTURE OF HATE AND WAR

[Must_B_Free]

53. kiss the end of the pig with eyes on it...

[AuntiBush]

54. Stop Quoting WRONGLY about my beloved Presidents!

As an American History major, I've had enough of your party's usage, wrongly I might add referring constantly to our beloved, and most respected President Franklin D. Roosevelt! Not only was he a Wall Street Attorney before blue-printing out that ingenious "NEW DEAL," you're first lady, Laura has nothing over First Lady Eleanor Roosevelt, whom worked tirelessly for the civil liberties and rights of others.

Nothing makes me madder than, well Gannon, or whatever his name is! And stop portraying the word "liberal" as if it were a bad word! I am extremely proud of my liberal views!

:kick:

[guitar man]

56. you are free to dig a hole

...in the sand and stick your head in. Don't expect us to help you cover it up. If you want to bury your head in the sand, that's fine, we will always try to help you pull your heads out, when and if you are willing.

[DS1]

57. We're not picking on you. You're just usually wrong.

:-)

[sendero]

59. Don't confuse ..

... the talking points you regurgitate like a pull-string doll as actual intelligence or knowledge. You are being used and the folks using you are laughing at you as well.

[baldguy]

61. Just because you're making $80k/yr

That doesn't mean that you're in the top 1%. You've got more in common with the single-mom burger-flipper at Wendy's who works a second job scrubbing floors, than with the CEO who gets $5mil for planning to move your job to India.

[Arkana]

64. Don't use the damn Bible to justify your bigotry.

Remember, there are about 400 passages about helping the poor, but only 5 about homosexuality. You can't pick and choose--either it's all true or it's not!

[Norquist Nemesis]

67. Admit that being "Right"

does not give you divine insight and wisdom. Sometimes, you are just plain WRONG.

Own it when this happens.

[Deep13]

71. 6. We know where you live.

Just saying is all.:shrug: