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DistressedAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 07:32 AM
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Civilian Contractors Report More Abuses In Iraq! Unarmed Civilians Killed!
Edited on Wed Feb-16-05 07:43 AM by DistressedAmerican
Found this interesting story coming out of Iraq. I always assume that these reports are like mice. If you see one there are hundreds you did not catch! This whole exercise is repugnant. Bring our troops (and civilian contractors) home!

What rules do these folks operate under? Your guess is as good as mine!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6947745/

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U.S. contractors in Iraq allege abuses
Four men say they witnessed shooting
of unarmed civilians
By Lisa Myers & the NBC investigative unit
Updated: 7:43 p.m. ET Feb. 15, 2005There are new allegations that heavily armed private security contractors in Iraq are brutalizing Iraqi civilians. In an exclusive interview, four former security contractors told NBC News that they watched as innocent Iraqi civilians were fired upon, and one crushed by a truck. The contractors worked for an American company paid by U.S. taxpayers. The Army is looking into the allegations.
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DistressedAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 08:07 AM
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1. A bit more of the article...
Edited on Wed Feb-16-05 08:48 AM by DistressedAmerican
Please take some time and read this. It is appalling.

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They claim heavily armed security operators on Custer Battles' missions — among them poorly trained young Kurds, who have historical resentments against other Iraqis — terrorized civilians, shooting indiscriminately as they ran for cover, smashing into and shooting up cars.

(More On The Contractor From The Same Article)
This is not the firm’s first brush with controversy. Custer Battles is a relatively new company in the booming field of so-called "private military companies" in Iraq providing veteran soldiers from around the world for various security jobs. Named for founders Michael Battles and Scott Custer, who are military veterans, the company quickly nabbed lucrative contracts in Iraq, where U.S. authorities needed firms who were willing to accept high-risk assignments.

The company is already under criminal investigation for allegations of fraud centering on the way it billed the government. Those allegations are also at the heart of a lawsuit by former associates. In September, the military banned the firm and its associates from obtaining new federal contracts or subcontracts.


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I haven't paid much attention to the issue in far too long. We can no forget about these folks. Mercenaries accountable only the Halluburton's, Kellog, Brown and Root's and the other money driven, extra-judicial, private industry, killers that cozy up to BushCo? These are the folks committing the bulk of our WAR CRIMES over there.

These folks saw so many Iraqi civilians killed they can't even total the number. That's just 4 of them. How much territory did they cover? Not much! What didn't they see? Plenty I'm sure!

What info do you all have on these civilian contractors and their methods.
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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 08:26 AM
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3. Pretty wild stuff. E-mail your congressmen.
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DistressedAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 08:24 AM
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2. Gonzalez Gets To Decide How To Handle These Folks!
Edited on Wed Feb-16-05 08:24 AM by DistressedAmerican
Looks like it will be our good friend Alberto Gonzalez that will be making the call on whether these folks are violating the "quaint" Geneva Conventions or not. Wonder what he thinks?

Maybe they should be treated as illegal enemy combatants. I've got some questions to ask them!

The Link:
http://www.cdi.org/news/law/defense-monitor-prisoner-abuse.cfm

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Questions rightly have been raised about the training of detention personnel, and the abuses have raised additional systemic questions about the role of reservists and civilian contractors.

Unlike during the Vietnam War, there presently has been a massive mobilization of guardsmen and reserves, which means for many of them a change in practical terms to full-time status. And the trend towards contracted outsourcing characterizing American government in recent decades also has impacted the U.S. military. The military has been adamant that all military personnel, including Guard and Reserves as well as regular full-time personnel, must be held to the same standards. The Department of Justice is wrestling with precisely how to approach the question of prosecuting relevant civilian contractors.

The Geneva Conventions mandate appropriate training for the entire military; they go still further, however, calling for an effort to educate the general population about their principles. These obligations, together with bigger questions about what America stands for at home and abroad, invite reflection. Americans must ask what more we can do in our political life and educational system to nurture a knowledge and appreciation of the humanitarian ideals of the Geneva Conventions, and the call to pay greater respect to human life and the dignity of the human person they imply.

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DistressedAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 08:28 AM
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4. I Bit More Info On The Legal Situation Regarding Contractors
Edited on Wed Feb-16-05 08:30 AM by DistressedAmerican
The Link:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/06/17/mariner.contractors/

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Private contractors who torture
Joanne Mariner, FindLaw Columnist
Special to CNN.com
Thursday, June 17, 2004 Posted: 2:57 PM EDT (1857 GMT)


(FindLaw) -- The soldiers responsible for the disgraceful physical and sexual abuse of Iraqi prisoners may face court-martial proceedings, at least if the military justice system functions as it should.

One soldier has already been charged, and six others are likely to be brought to court soon. Although no military officers have yet been prosecuted - and Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld has not resigned - at least six officers have received career-ending reprimands.

But what of the civilian contractors who worked hand in glove with the military at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison? Will the atrocities they committed be, at most, bad for their careers - a source of negative letters in their employment files? Or will the civilians who shared responsibility for the criminal abuse meted out to detainees at Abu Ghraib be tried, convicted, and sent to prison?

The most likely option, under the rules crafted by the U.S. occupation authority, is prosecution in U.S. civilian courts. Although the victims of abuse were Iraqi, the civilian contractors will probably not be punished in Iraq. Under an order issued last year, civilian contractors enjoy protection from local criminal prosecution, even for crimes such as murder, torture, and rape.

Last Thursday, Attorney General John Ashcroft announced that the Justice Department had jurisdiction to prosecute civilians implicated in crimes in Iraq. But whether these prosecutions will actually take place is far from clear.
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I sure as hell didn't hear about Asscroft prosecuting any of these folks. I'm sure Gonzalez will do a MUCH BETTER JOB!

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Prosecutorial options in Iraq
To facilitate its outsourcing of the business of war, the Pentagon has extended generous legal protection to civilian contractors in Iraq. Under a June 2003 order of the Coalition Provisional Authority, civilian contractors are protected from prosecution in Iraq for crimes committed as part of their official duties. (The exact, though convoluted, language is: "acts performed by them within their official activities pursuant to the terms and conditions of a contract between a contractor and Coalition Forces or the CPA.")

Since torture is presumably not foreseen in the contract, it is theoretically possible, if unlikely, that the abuses at Abu Ghraib could be deemed to have been committed outside of the contractors' official activities. But the possibility is not all that important, since the June 2003 order also provides that crimes committed during the contractors' free time can only be prosecuted by local officials if coalition administrator Paul Bremer gives his written consent.

The U.S. could, in any case, consent to local trials. Section 5 of the June 2003 order notes that the contractors' immunity from prosecution "may be waived by the Parent State." For contractors in the employ of the United States, the order specifies, it is the U.S. government that could authorize the waiver.

Prosecutorial options in the United States
Although the Iraqi victims and their families would no doubt prefer local trials, such an option is unlikely. Nor, under U.S. constitutional rules, are military trials of civilian contractors allowed.

The most likely option for American civilian contractors implicated in Iraqi abuses is prosecution in the U.S. federal courts. There are two federal laws that could be used, depending on the offense at issue.

The most serious crimes could be prosecuted under the War Crimes Act of 1996. War crimes, as defined in the law, include grave breaches of the 1949 Geneva Conventions (such as torture or inhuman treatment) and violations of the Conventions' common article 3 (such as "outrages upon personal dignity" and "humiliating and degrading treatment").

Possible penalties for conviction under the law include imprisonment for life, for a term of years, or, if the victim of the crime dies, the death penalty.

Other crimes could be prosecuted under the Military Extraterritorial Jurisdiction Act (MEJA). MEJA, which was enacted primarily to protect American soldiers and their dependents living abroad, covers federal crimes punishable by more than one year's imprisonment. Passed in 2000, the law is still untested.

Obstacles to prosecution
Although Ashcroft recently announced the Justice Department had jurisdiction over the crimes of civilian contractors in Iraq, he has not indicated that he actually plans to bring such cases. And, indeed, the odds of successful prosecutions are not very promising.

Rather than sending FBI agents to Iraq to investigate the crimes, Ashcroft has said that federal prosecutors would await the result of the Pentagon's investigation. But while military investigators may be expert in gathering evidence for court-martial proceedings, it is the FBI's job to respond to civilian crimes. In 1998, for example, after the bombing of two U.S. embassies in Africa, more than 900 FBI agents were sent on-site to investigate.

The government's lack of enthusiasm for a vigorous investigation is a worrying sign. To successfully prosecute crimes committed in Iraq would require a serious commitment of resources. Who would, for example, bring the victims to the United States to testify? And would an American jury really convict an American contractor responsible for harming a foreign - or even an enemy - detainee?
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 11:28 AM
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11. DistressedAmerican
Per DU copyright rules
please post only four
paragraphs from the
copyrighted news source.


Thank you.


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DistressedAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 08:36 AM
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5. Human Rights First Has A Few Suggestions Of Laws That Apply...
Edited on Wed Feb-16-05 08:43 AM by DistressedAmerican
The Link
http://www.humanrightsfirst.org/us_law/detainees/us_torture_laws.htm

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Security Detainees/Enemy Combatants
U.S. Law For Prosecuting Torture and Other Serious Abuses Committed by Civilians Abroad
While civilians may not generally be tried in military courts for violating U.S. laws, at least three federal laws provide a means for prosecuting non-military personnel, including CIA officials and civilian contractors, for criminal activity: the Military Extraterritorial Jurisdiction Act of 2000; the War Crimes Act of 1996; and the Torture Act of 2000.

The Military Extraterritorial Jurisdiction Act of 2000 (MEJA)
18 U.S.C. §§ 3261 - 3267

MEJA provides for federal jurisdiction over crimes committed abroad by civilians who are "accompanying or employed by" the U.S. military. The statute covers all civilian employees of the military, as well as civilian contractors (and subcontractors), employees of contractors (and subcontractors), and dependents residing with these workers. MEJA covers both citizens and non-citizens, except for those who are nationals of, or ordinarily resident in the host country. MEJA also covers discharged and, in some cases, active duty members of the armed services.

MEJA creates no new substantive offenses, but incorporates a range of existing federal criminal offenses that may be used to prosecute defense contractors and others who commit crimes outside U.S. territory. Federal crimes subject to MEJA prosecution include murder, manslaughter, assault, sexual abuse, and the criminal statute prohibiting "deprivation of rights under color of law." Federal law sanctions not just those directly responsible for committing such acts, but all those who assist, abet, or order such crimes, as well as those who help conceal them. (These laws can be found at 18 U.S.C. ?? 2-4.)

To date, there have been almost no cases in court that rely on MEJA powers. Proposed regulations under the statute were issued for comment in February 2004, but have not yet become final. As of June 2004, one MEJA case had been filed, but not yet gone to trial, in federal court in Los Angeles. That case involves charges of murder against the spouse of an Air Force officer stationed abroad.

One possible problem with application of MEJA to crimes committed in Abu Ghraib and other U.S. detention centers in Iraq or elsewhere is that it does not extend to members of, or contractors to, non-military agencies such as the CIA. Only those working with or accompanying the U.S. military are covered by MEJA.

The War Crimes Act of 1996
18 U.S.C. § 2441

The War Crimes Act provides federal jurisdiction over prosecutions for "war crimes," which the law defines as "grave breaches" of the 1949 Geneva Conventions, violations of Common Article 3 to the Geneva Conventions, and certain other offenses. These so-called "grave breaches" can include offenses against noncombatants, or surrendered or injured combatants, involving "willful killing, torture or inhuman treatment . . . willfully causing great suffering or serious injury to body or health."

The Act applies whether the crimes are committed "inside or outside the United States," and whether the "person committing such war crime...is a member of the Armed Forces of the United States or a national of the United States." (It does not apply to non-citizens or nationals of the United States.) The statute also applies if the victim is in one of these categories. War crimes committed in the course of declared or undeclared armed conflicts, or during military occupation, are covered by the Act.

The Torture Act of 2000
18 U.S.C. §§ 2340, 2340A, and 2340B

The Torture Act makes it a federal crime for any U.S. national (or anyone later found present in the United States) to commit torture or conspire or attempt to commit torture outside the United States. Crimes under the Torture Act are punishable by fine and/or imprisonment up to 20 years; or, if the victim dies, by life imprisonment or death.

Although the Torture Act is intended to implement the United States' treaty obligations under the Convention Against Torture (which the United States ratified with certain reservations in 1994), there are some important differences between the definition of "torture" under U.S. law and the concept of torture in the Convention, particularly with regard to "mental pain or suffering," which is more narrowly defined in the Torture Act.

The Torture Act defines "'torture' an act committed by a person acting under the color of law specifically intended to inflict severe physical or mental pain or suffering (other than pain or suffering incidental to lawful sanctions) upon another person within his custody or physical control." The law then limits the scope of "severe mental pain or suffering" to mean "prolonged mental harm" resulting from (i) the intentional infliction or threatened infliction upon the victim or a third person of "severe physical pain or suffering"; (ii) the administration or threatened administration upon the victim or a third person of "mind-altering substances or other procedures calculated to disrupt profoundly the senses or the personality"; or (iii) the "threat of imminent death" of the victim or a third person. Unlike the U.S. law, the Torture Convention does not require that mental harm be "prolonged," nor does the Convention limit the types of causes for mental harm.

Most non-U.S. nationals fall outside the jurisdiction of the Torture Act, since it only applies to suspected torturers who are U.S. nationals, or who are later found physically present in the United States. Conduct prosecuted under the Torture Act need not, however, be linked to armed conflict, nor must the accused have any connection to the military. As with MEJA and the War Crimes Act, there have been no completed trials under the Torture Act
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DistressedAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 08:53 AM
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6. Strangly, Halliburton Subsidiary KBR Does Not List Hired Killer
On its homepage.

http://www.halliburton.com/kbr/ourServices.jsp

They DO list:
Construction | Consulting | Engineering | HS&E
Logistics Management | Operations & Maintenance
Process Technology | Procurement | Program Management
Project Development | Project Management
Research & Development


Those are some developing and managing fools over there AND at such competetive prices!
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DistressedAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 09:09 AM
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7. Custer Battles Services Include Great Ones Such As...
Edited on Wed Feb-16-05 09:10 AM by DistressedAmerican
Abduction, Kidnapping, Extortion Threat Information and Response

SO, IF YOU ARE LOOKING TO DISAPPEAR SOME FOLKS OR AFFRAID OF DISAPPEARING YOURSELF, CUSTER BATTLES CAN HELP:

http://www.custerbattles.com/services/globalriskkfretir.html

"Custer Battles has considerable experience in kidnap and ransom support—both with respect to training (travel awareness training, including how to conduct oneself in the event of a kidnapping) and in the response to a ransom demand (where we have directly managed negotiations). We also understand the organizational aspects of the issue as our team has put together a K&R program for a major insurance company and assessed the threat on a country-by- country basis for underwriters."

THEN IF THEY ARE COMING AFTER YOU, CUSTER BATTLES CAN HELP WITH ITS:

Close Personal Security Detail

http://www.custerbattles.com/services/secescorts.html

"Custer Battles offers Personal Security Detail (“PSD”) to provide close protective escort support to client personnel in hostile environments. The service includes a “meet and greet” upon arrival, transportation to the clients’ facilities, and protective armed PSD accompaniment when required."

I'M NOT SURE WHAT IS INVOLVED IN THE "MEET AND GREET"! PROBABLY SOME SORT OF BREAKFAST BUFFET?

STILL NOT FEELING SAFE? HOW ABOUT SOME:

Weapons Training

http://www.custerbattles.com/services/trainingweapons.html

"Small Arms Training and Testing: 50 yard, reactive steel targetry, 10 lanes, available for moving sequence shooting skills. Sequences can be individual or in teams. Range available for testing a variety of small arms weapons including rifles and submachine guns.

Sniper: several locations on site that afford observation and target engagement, either stand-alone or in concert with maneuver elements.

Shoothouse: Close Quarters Battle live fire exercises for SWAT, Special Operations Forces, etc.. Two story facility that can be operated day and night. Targetry will represent realistic scenarios."

NOW THAT MY FRIEND IS A FULL SERVICE COMPANY!


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ConcernedNonpartisan Donating Member (85 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 09:44 AM
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8. Nothing new!
Torture, humiliation, kidnapping and death have always been "tools of war".

In the past there has always been a conspiratorial "host" government or willing "allies" to perform the tasks. (ie. In Korea, the South Korean government and unnamed UN allies; In Vietnam, again the government however we did have some "pseudo military" forces on the payroll. Prior to Korea, communications were not as effective nor as efficient as today and hiding what was being done was much easier.

In the case of Iraq, we failed to establish a "host" government strong enough and had NO "willing" allies, so, the job fell to our own "troops".

Being unable to elicit the direct aid of the established military, an "underground pseudo military" became necessary.

Nothing new.
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DemonFighterLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 10:04 AM
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9. These guys were on TV last night
Olberman, I think. Disgusting story and these fellas want to cool the hatreds over there thusly helping our troops.
W* loves this stuff; normal people don't.
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DistressedAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 10:32 AM
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10. I'm Just Glad To See Some Folks Stepping Forward
The story is sickening and it is just one of many. The rest continue to go ignored/unreported.
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