Congress Considers New Law to Protect Lawful Commerce of Firearms

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This legislation is long over due. Hopefully, it will get passed this year without any attached amendments.


"Nation's Manufacturers, Labor Support Firearms Industry in Effort to Prevent Unjust Lawsuits Intended to Ruin Responsible Businesses

NEWTOWN, Conn., Feb. 16 /PRNewswire/ -- Legislation introduced in the U.S. House of Representatives would prevent further abuse of our nation's courts when frivolous lawsuits against law-abiding businesses seek to blame them for the criminal misuse of legally sold firearms.

Rep. Cliff Stearns (R-FL) and Rep. Rick Boucher (D-VA) introduced the bill, HR 800, with strong bipartisan backing from 92 co-sponsors. A Senate bill will be introduced shortly. Titled "The Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act," it enjoys support from business groups, such as the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, the National Association of Manufacturers and the National Association of Wholesalers, as well as organized labor whose members' jobs are endangered by such reckless lawsuits that are brought against their employers with the intention of bankrupting them."

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[aquart]

1. I thought we had enough gun laws.

No more needed?

[applegrove]

2. If the 'regulations/laws' help out a corporation rather than a human

being ... then they are 'good' and 'right' laws/regulations. You cannot have too many laws protecting the right of corporations to make money (even if it was they themselves that flooded the market and created the need for guns in cities - causing a black market to erupt). Apparently you are not responsible for your own stupidity if you are a corporation!!

[Pawel K]

3. What stupidity?

The stupidity is clearly in the person here not the corporation. A corporation can not be held liable for something they produce that works as it is intended. So if I kill a person with a knife should the knife maker be sued?

[applegrove]

5. Sorry 'stupidity' is the wrong word. How about exploitation?

The gun manufacturers fund the NRA and all sorts of fights against anti-gun registration laws (waiting a week; requiring very tough storage measures; etc.) which contributes to a situation where a black market has evolved and their guns are used in crimes and murders. And they have to not answer for that in any such way?

:boring: I am so sleepy and will go take a nap on my regulated MATTRESS. But don't touch the guns.

My god mattresses have to be fire resistant! Now cigarettes are too. Because they are dangerous!! Why? Because it makes sense and it saves lives!!! Which is why changes and regulations are put forward. To make the USA a better and safer place.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

7. So, Dow shouldn't be held liable for producing Agent Orange?

It did work as intended. How about the manufacturers of Zyclon-B? Those stupid judges at Nuremburg thought differently than you.

Under your rationale, the manufacturers of Botulism, Anthrax, or dirty bombs, shouldn't be held responsible if their "working as intended" products kill a few million people, because someone was stupid enough to use them.

[applegrove]

8. If they interfere with the regulations to make the things safer - yes!

When they actively stand in the way, fund organizations, and encourage a culture where the things are purposely not being made safer, then, yes!

:boring: Back to my very safe mattress!!

[Pawel K]

12. Guns are pretty safe

Makes like Beretta have installed systems that pretty much eliminate the possiblity of a misfire. Face it, the only time someone gets hurt or killed by a gun is when another person wanted to hurt or kill that person or when the gun is in the wrong hands. It has nothing to do with the gun it self.

[applegrove]

14. And mattresses do not spontaneously combust. I had a fire. And I

don't know if it was blowing out a candle of a cigarette ash that started it. No idea. But you do things to be careful of the problem and cut the odds of mistakes and then you have fewer lives wasted.

NRA has lobbied to stop any regulations on guns. So guns run amok in the poorest neighbourhoods. And a whole pile of White people in Suburbia do not care to have to pass a screening process or lock them away very safe - because they have been taught no not care. NRA has been a very active group. People don't die from stab wounds at the rate they die from guns. Guns are deadly. You either want to cut down the number of deaths by guns - or not.

And don't tell me government regulation is bad because the pharmaceuticals get intellectual property rights and that is a regulations. So don't give me that flack.

Mattresses are regulated. Guns should be. To mitigate the damage a mattress or a gun could do in the hands of a mistake prone human - you need regulations.

[Pawel K]

15. but you are going off point

I am simply saying gun makers are doing things to make guns safer and there is absolutely no reason to be suing them; every thing they do meets (many times exceeds as in Beretta's case) regulations and they follow all the laws.

You are talking about the NRA; but this is not what the topic is about. What you are trying to do is punish everyone that has anything to do with guns because you don't agree with our gun laws. The bottom line is the government is responsible. The only way to change these laws is to have the government do it. If you the government isn't willing to do it you have no right to go after people and corporations that follow the law.

"And don't tell me government regulation is bad because the pharmaceuticals get intellectual property rights and that is a regulations. So don't give me that flack."

I'm not saying that and again you are going off point. This thread has nothing to do with gun control.

"Mattresses are regulated. Guns should be. To mitigate the damage a mattress or a gun could do in the hands of a mistake prone human - you need regulations."

And how do you propose we make guns safer? Lock them up in a safe, put locks on them? You still have to understand that all this is the gun owner's responsibility; a gun manufacturer can not go in to each home and make sure this is done.

You are right, knifes don't kill as many people but they still do. So if we allow gun makers to be sued we have to allow knife, pencil, and scissors makers to be sued if someone misuses them.

[applegrove]

16. Over 3000 Americans a month are killed by guns, same as on 9/11 except it

happens every month.

I am simply saying gun makers are doing things to make guns safer and there is absolutely no reason to be suing them; every thing they do meets (many times exceeds as in Beretta's case) regulations and they follow all the laws.laws need to be changed - come on - try gun control... just one time!!

You are talking about the NRA; but this is not what the topic is about. What you are trying to do is punish everyone that has anything to do with guns because you don't agree with our gun laws. The bottom line is the government is responsible. The only way to change these laws is to have the government do it. If you the government isn't willing to do it you have no right to go after people and corporations that follow the law.

"And don't tell me government regulation is bad because the pharmaceuticals get intellectual property rights and that is a regulations. So don't give me that flack."

I'm not saying that and again you are going off point. This thread has nothing to do with gun control. Gun control is just one of the many heads of this hydra. Don't tell me I cannot looks at the dynamics of the 'gun situation'.


"Mattresses are regulated. Guns should be. To mitigate the damage a mattress or a gun could do in the hands of a mistake prone human - you need regulations."

And how do you propose we make guns safer? Lock them up in a safe, put locks on them? Make them rarer on the street! Iris scans on locks for all gun storage. Think! You still have to understand that all this is the gun owner's responsibility; a gun manufacturer can not go in to each home and make sure this is done.who the hell do you think checks for fire detectors? The insurance industry/firemen/landlord/moral situation/renewal of licenses/contracts - take your pick.

:think: I think I will go and sit on my couch now that I am awake. That is regulated too!

You are right, knifes don't kill as many people but they still do. So if we allow gun makers to be sued we have to allow knife, pencil, and scissors makers to be sued if someone misuses them.
:think: instead I think I will go and sit on the floor on my pillow. That pillow is regulated too!

Over 3000 people a month are killed by guns in the USA. That is the same amount of people who died on 9/11. And look at the 'structural change' that resulted from 9/11. A whole War on terror and the Patriot Act, etc. Until gun makers do their dandiest to make the USA safe and gun ownership regulated: they should be open to being sued.

:boring: Know what? I am tired. I think I will go back to lying on my regulated mattress - and I will dream about the millions I will make by designing and selling iris scan locks for gun collectors everywhere (I just hope nobody in the industry picks up on my idea and gets rich that way too)

[Pawel K]

17. Again, off topic

All you are doing is talking about gun control. This is the government's job, not the gun makers. Do you understand that fact?

[applegrove]

18. And when gun makers fund the NRA & shake hands with the military

industrial complex (Eisenhauer coined the term) because they both know the power of getting little Johnny to hold a gun when he is 10, when we know how things work in power circles, when we know the dynamics, when we know the structure of the problem, and we know that the racists joyride on your whole machine - we are not allowed to use that information in the fight to make cities safe?

And you come up here to My Country with your bullshit and try and ring some bells and stop the structure of my countrie's laws to suit your little rich cabal?

All so that you get to act on all the good information you can gather. And people, representing people as opposed to industry, are not allowed to. You want me to think and act based on 12% of the problem? WHAT ARE YOU 5?

Throw a low lateral pass and I'll still be chasing the fucking ball ***hole!

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Times these crybabies by 30 and you have the number of people killed each month by guns in the USA

[Pawel K]

11. Your argument is flawed

What it sounds like to me is that you people have a problem with our gun laws. This is perfectly fine. However, what you are doing is trying to push your views on gun control by punishing the corporations that do nothing but follow the law. If you have a problem with our laws go to the government; don't try to get a huge settlement out of gun manufacturers.

As far as your Agent Orange argument. Again, who was the one that dumped this on millions of people? It wasn't the manufacturer; it was our government. If you sue the government over this that's fine; but suing the maker doesn't make any sense as they were clearly just doing what the government asked them to.

And again, by your reasoning if I stab someone should the knife, pencil, or whatever manufacturer be sued?

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9. How about a compromise?

What would be wrong (or unfair), about a "loser pays system"?

If a "not guilty" verdict was found in favor of the defendant, should the defendants legal expenses be repaid in full by the plaintiff(s)?

This approach to reigning in the firearms industry through means of bogus litigation is part greed, part dishonesty and part trying by the anti-gun organizations to raise more money and/or justify their existence.

[damntexdem]

4. Oh good, then the companies can get back to their business ...

of manufacturing means to drill holes into human beings.

Now, if we could just throw off that silly Constitutional prohibition, we could let some other companies get back into the business of buying and selling human slaves.

And while we're at it, let's repeal laws against medical quackery.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

6. Gotta protect those poor, innocent, death dealers.

How nice.

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10. Emotionalism and biased outrage...

"Gotta protect those poor, innocent, death dealers."

is a poor substitute for justice and sense of differentiating between what is right and what is wrong.

[applegrove]

19. Thank you for demonstrating the 'new' arguments against liberals

Emotionalism & outrage. The things that build democracy, made two people fall in love, lets a woman give birth to 10 children and love them all, allows devout to fall to their knees with passion and awe for their particular saviour, built language, invented insulin & perfume -------------- ahhhhhh that is all EMOTIONALISM.

A very corporate look at the world indeed.

I can see it now: the concept emotion will go the way of the concept Liberal - IN YOUR DREAMS!!

[benburch]

13. Good. We will be needing some guns soon.

And lots of ammo.