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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 10:47 AM
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FOX called GW "The New Reagan". Oh my.
Even when he was ga-ga, Ronnie had a heart.
He also had manners and some principles.
Self-made man.
Self-educated.

Hate to defend RR but cripes -- what an insult.


Feel free to add to the list.

Compare and contrast:
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 10:49 AM
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1. Sorry Fox
but while Reagan may have been an ideologue, he was not a wreckless rogue putting the whole world in a quandry over what to do next to stop a country totally out of control.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 10:51 AM
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2. Appears Smirko's Poppy Tried Killing Pruneface in '81
From the small world coincidences file:

Bush Son Had Dinner Plans With Hinckley Brother Before Shooting

The Associated Press Domestic News
March 31, 1981, Tuesday, PM cycle
John Hinckley HOUSTON

The family of the man charged with trying to assassinate President Reagan is acquainted with the family of Vice President George Bush and had made large contributions to his political campaign, the Houston Post reported today.

Neil Bush The newspaper said in a copyright story, Scott Hinckley, brother of John W. Hinckley Jr., who allegedly shot Reagan, was to have dined tonight in Denver at the home of Neil Bush, one of the vice president's sons.

The newspaper said it was unable to reach Scott Hinckley, vice president of his father's Denver-based firm, Vanderbilt Energy Corp., for comment. Neil Bush lives in Denver, where he works for Standard Oil Co. of Indiana.

In 1978, Neil served as campaign manager for his brother, George W. Bush, the vice president's oldest son, who made an unsuccessful bid for Congress. Neil lived in Lubbock throughout much of 1978, where John Hinckley lived from 1974 through 1980.

CONTINUED...

http://www.hereinreality.com/hinckley.html

The shooting would've sped things up, from a purely BFEE perspective.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 12:15 PM
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28. That could be good news-- a veiled threat from, like, James Baker,
or another o' Poppy's pals.

Or maybe they're telling us that GW's lost his mind. Quel suprise!

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Jade Fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 10:51 AM
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3. Bush seems to be emulating Reagan lately....
Edited on Sat Feb-26-05 11:06 AM by Jade Fox
playing the affable nit-wit (sorry, I can't defend Reagan on any front), and
unfortunately it works. Like Reagan he is an empty suit that Americans
project their affection on to, and the less actual person there is, the
easier it is to project.
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etherealtruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 10:56 AM
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9. Off subject...
...the artwork in your post is incredible! Can you give info about it?

On subject: I agree wholeheartedly with your post.
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Jade Fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 11:03 AM
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16. It is artwork from the Minoan culture....
which existed on the Island of Crete from 3000 BC to 1500 BC (if memory
serves). They were the dominant culture in the area during their time,
peaceloving, creative, well-off, egalitarian for women.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 12:16 PM
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29. Who/what destroyed the Minoan culture? Just curious.
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Jade Fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 12:32 PM
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34. It is believed they were...
weakened by a natural disaster (a volcanic eruption), and were then
conquered by the Myceneans (Homer's people) who were much more
war-like and took advantage of the Minoans vulnerable state. A lot
of what is known about the Minoans is theory, because there are no
written records.

One of my favorite things about the Minoans is that they seemed to
have produced no weapons and were entirely peaceful, but they
had plumbing systems (including flush toilets) the likes of which
were not duplicated until Victorian England. Now that's having your
priorities straight!

This is my memory from having read quite a bit about the Minoans
many years ago. I hope it is correct.
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 10:51 AM
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4. I think there are a lot of similarities to Reagan,
none of them good. GeeDubya has even blown past Nixon on the evil scale.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 12:21 PM
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31. Nancy vs. Laura:
Let's discuss.

Laura can't stand to look upon the serpent she calls a husband.
Nancy was so wrapped up in Ronnie that even their KIDS were left out.

Laura dresses like she's from, well, Midland Texas, circa 1972 K-Mart.
Nancy was a fashion icon. (Creepy imho but true nevertheless).

Laura's hosted 4 dinners at the WH in 4 years. Lazybones.
Nancy entertained her little Manolos off--she knew how important it was for domestic and foreign relations.

Etc. ad neausem.
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Syncronaut Seven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 10:53 AM
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5. delusional
Edited on Sat Feb-26-05 10:55 AM by Syncronaut Seven
Delusions
Definition

A delusion is an unshakable belief in something untrue. These irrational beliefs defy normal reasoning, and remain firm even when overwhelming proof is presented to dispute them. Delusions are often accompanied by hallucinations and/or feelings of paranoia, which act to strengthen confidence in the delusion. Delusions are distinct from culturally or religiously based beliefs that may be seen as untrue by outsiders.

Description

Delusions are a common symptom of several mood and personality-related mental illnesses, including schizoaffective disorder, schizophrenia, shared psychotic disorder, major depressive disorder, and bipolar disorder. They are also the major feature of delusional disorder. Individuals with delusional disorder suffer from long-term, complex delusions that fall into one of six categories: persecutory, grandiose, jealousy, erotomanic, somatic, or mixed. There are also delusional disorders such as dementia that clearly have organic or physical causes.

Persecutory

Individuals with persecutory delusional disorder are plagued by feelings of paranoia and an irrational yet unshakable belief that someone is plotting against them, or out to harm them.

Grandiose

Individuals with grandiose delusional disorder have an over-inflated sense of self-worth. Their delusions center on their own importance, such as believing that they have done or created something of extreme value or have a "special mission."

Causes & symptoms

Some studies have indicated that delusions may be generated by abnormalities in the limbic system, the portion of the brain on the inner edge of the cerebral cortex that is believed to regulate emotions. The exact source of delusions has not been conclusively found, but potential causes include genetics, neurological abnormalities, and changes in brain chemistry. Delusions are also a known possible side effect of drug use and abuse (e.g., amphetamines, cocaine, PCP).

Diagnosis

Patients with delusional symptoms should undergo a thorough physical examination and patient history to rule out possible organic causes (such as dementia). If a psychological cause is suspected, a mental health professional will typically conduct an interview with the patient and administer one of several clinical inventories, or tests, to evaluate mental status.

Treatment

Delusions that are symptomatic of delusional disorder should be treated by a psychologist and/or psychiatrist. Though antipsychotic drugs are often not effective, antipsychotic medication such as thioridazine (Mellaril), haloperidol (Haldol), chlorpromazine (Thorazine), clozapine (Clozaril), or risperidone (Risperdal) may be prescribed, and cognitive therapy or psychotherapy may be attempted.

If an underlying condition such as schizophrenia, depression, or drug abuse is found to be triggering the delusions, an appropriate course of medication and/or psychosocial therapy is employed to treat the primary disorder. The medication, typically, will include an antipsychotic agent.

Prognosis

Delusional disorder is typically a chronic condition, but with appropriate treatment, a remission of delusional symptoms occurs in up to 50% of patients. However, because of their strong belief in the reality of their delusions and a lack of insight into their condition, individuals with this disorder may never seek treatment, or may be resistant to exploring their condition in psychotherapy.

Terms:
Hallucinations
False or distorted sensory experiences that appear to be real perceptions.
Paranoia
An unfounded or exaggerated distrust of others.
Shared psychotic disorder
Also known as folie à deux; shared psychotic disorder is an uncommon disorder in which the same delusion is shared by two or more individuals.


Resources:
BOOKS
American Psychiatric Association. Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, 4th ed. Washington, DC: American Psychiatric Press, Inc., 1994.
Maxmen, Jerrold S., and Nicholas G. Ward. "Schizophrenia and Related Disorders." In Essential Psychopathology and Its Treatment, 2nd ed. New York: W.W. Norton, 1995.
Siegel, Ronald K. Whispers: The Voices of Paranoia. New York: Crown, 1994.
PERIODICALS
Manschreck, Theo C. "Delusional Disorder: The Recognition and Management of Paranoia." Journal of Clinical Psychiatry 57, supplement 3 (1996): 32-38.
ORGANIZATIONS
American Psychiatric Association (APA). Office of Public Affairs. 1400 K Street NW, Washington, DC 20005. (202) 682-6119. http://www.psych.org/.
American Psychological Association (APA). Office of Public Affairs. 750 First St. NE, Washington, DC 20002-4242. (202) 336-5700. http://www.apa.org/.
National Alliance for the Mentally Ill (NAMI). 200 North Glebe Road, Suite 1015, Arlington, VA 22203-3754. (800) 950-6264. http://www.nami.org.
National Institutes of Mental Health (NIMH). 5600 Fishers Lane, Rm. 7C-02, Bethesda, MD 20857. (301) 443-4513. http://www.nimh.nih.gov/.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 10:56 AM
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8. Ow! My head hurts from reading all that!
:hi:
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Syncronaut Seven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 11:01 AM
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15. Just wanted to make sure
Fox & * had some resources to draw on. I suspet this latest Reagan thing is a desperate plea for help.

That's what a nice guy I am. ;)
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 11:11 AM
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22. Gosh, you're swell!
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teamster633 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 11:17 AM
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25. shrub is a textbook case study.
From the above we can see that it's likely he fried a number of the synapses in his limbic system with his reckless overindulgence in cocaine and alcohol. From his weak attempts to speak in public it would appear he's suffered some damage to Wernike's area as well. Thus, his inability to form or understand meaningful sentences or otherwise communicate at an age-appropriate level(read adult). Research has linked this to chronic vitamin deficiencies associated with alcoholism as well. He would be the perfect poster boy for that famous PSA...

This is your brain,
this(*) is your brain on drugs(and Jack Daniels).
Any questions?
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 10:53 AM
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6. Hey, FOX is right! Neither has a functioning brain!
I'll give Ronnie this--and ONLY this--he was a self-made man--he didn't have everything handed to him on a silver coke spoon.
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two gun sid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 10:55 AM
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7. I agree with FOX.
Ronny was a ignorant, lying, heartless, warmongering, media creation, fuckstick who did more harm to this country than he ever did good. Oh, and he was also a war criminal who allowed the constitution to be overridden by a gang of crooks.

I think George is living up to the Reagan legacy perfectly.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 10:59 AM
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13. bush is way more dangerous
CIA dominated interference vs. massive outright conquests on the issues of international relations. Also, bush will threaten friend or foe and has a more radical foreign policy agenda.
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two gun sid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 11:16 AM
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24. Bush is more dangerous. If only because Ronny's dead.
If Reagan would not have started showing symptoms of Alzheimer's in his second term, the neocons would have conducted the same adventurist foreign policies that Bush does now.
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StClone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 10:57 AM
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10. Reagan was a bad Actor
Ronnie was a media invention that the public believed. His failed policies are reincarnated with the current media praised disaster. Bush actually succeeds where Reagan only dreamed. Both had the goal of destroying the very Government that fostered their rise to wealth and power.
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Stop_the_War Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 10:58 AM
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11. Reagan was a murderer....so they have something in common...
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Catshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 10:58 AM
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12. Dang. They're really playing with themselves now.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 11:01 AM
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14. It's apropos... similar dumb policies, similar scandals, but one diff:
Reagan helped terrorists and Saddam.

GWB wants to kill 'em all.
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thecorster Donating Member (336 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 11:05 AM
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20. LOL
great witty comment
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 11:12 AM
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23. Except that it's true. History can be very ironic...
especially when the very moronic gett put in charge...
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two gun sid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 11:08 AM
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21. Yeah, and Reagan's dead but, not dead enough I guess.
Fox loves digging that evil bastard up and worshipping him.
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 11:03 AM
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17. It never ceases to amaze me
how the right finds more and more new ways to commit idolatry with their half baked heroes. They shouldn't quite worship the man if they are going to make the kinds of holier than thou claims that they do.
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yella_dawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 11:03 AM
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18. So Bunnypants is a brain-damaged and now dead president? n/t
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peekaloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 11:05 AM
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19. Yes. Poppy is the same puppeteer.
fuck 'em all. Bringin' back the Iran-Contra crims and larfing in our faces.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 11:31 AM
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26. yes he is the new Reagen but without the
personality,wit,and insight. after ronny was shot he lost all the ability to understand what was going on and he became the tool for bush and his klan who used reagan to overthrow the democracy.it was the war between the west coast conservative republicans and the neocon`s of the east coast and when bush was forced upon reagan the west coast republicans lost. reagan was not the best guy in the world but george bush and his klan are far worse.
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European Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 11:57 AM
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27. you mean-a piece of shit being named after a turd-don't you.
I do think ray-gun cared about the U.S.-which the Chimp doesn't.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 12:18 PM
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30. Well, both were complete frauds who governed as puppets
Edited on Sat Feb-26-05 12:19 PM by ComerPerro
So, in that sense, they are alot alike.
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UdoKier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 12:23 PM
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32. Yep. Reagan was a lousy prez....
But Dumbya's not fit to fetch his slippers. Even Helen Thomas had an affection for him, regardless of how she disagreed with him.

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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 12:27 PM
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33. GW isn't even "The New George H. W. Bush". Ironic.
Edited on Sat Feb-26-05 12:41 PM by elehhhhna
The reeps want to pretend Ronnie's GDubs Daddy, but GW's got a perfectly awful ex-president for a father, already. Bizarre.
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