Interesting that BTK Killer is a Republican! What a shock!

[saracat]

A white male Christian Republican! Alot like the crowd in the WH except on a smaller scale. http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/news/special_packages/btk/11062645.htm

[Dogmudgeon]

1. Well, smack my ass and call me "Jeebus"!

O.K., not really. I just like saying that.

--p!

[liberalitch]

30. SMACK!!!!!! JEEEEEEEEEEBUS!

[ClintonTyree]

2. I imagine the gunman in the church................

was one as well. One of those people from the "heartland" that exemplifies the "traditional values" that bush's core voters always seem to talk about. "Traditional values" like this, I can do without.

[lonestarnot]

15. I'd wager on this! Just has the look. n/t

[Bluzmann57]

3. His political beliefs don't really matter

He is just a bad guy, whether he's a republican, Democrat, or somewhere in between. He allegedly murdered a bunch of people, did so in a brutal fashion, and should be made to pay for his crimes with a life sentence with no possibility of parole. I am sure that somewhere out there, there is probably some murderous bastard who voted Democrat at one time or another in his life too, unfortunately. I don't think politics should matter when it comes to murder. Justice should.

[ComerPerro]

4. Yeah, but imagine you live in Kansas

and your are constantly lectured by your relatives and people you know about moral clarity, values and the Republican Party.

All the time they tell you that Democrats are out of step with the American way of life, that Democrats are immoral, that Republicans are good honest people, and that Bush drew his vote because his values best reflect the values of good, honest, churchgoing people of the midwest.

Then you find out that the BTK killer was one of those good, honest, churchgoing people with whom apparently Bush shares his values.

I'm reminded of an old saying, about people who live in glass houses.

[saracat]

6. Thank You. I agree.

The point was the hypocrisy!

[ComerPerro]

7. Why post this now though?

Just curious. When it was discovered a week or so ago, everyone was talking about it. But I hadn't heard much since then...

[saracat]

34. I didn't see it a week ago!

[fat free goodness]

46. Be careful.

The BTK killer may have been Republican, but that does not say anything at all about Republicans. Implying it does only casts doubt on your logic and reasoning.
What if the rapist in Atlanta who killed four in an escape attempt happens to be a Dem? Does that lower Democratics? Of course not.

What other people belive cannot lower you. Only what you believe can lower you.

[ComerPerro]

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[Walt Starr]

10. Of COURSE his political beliefs MATTER!!!!!

Had he been a Democrat that would be all the Reichwing Media would be spewing 24X7!

[lonestarnot]

18. Walt Starr, what about Mr. Bryan Nichols...think he is a repuke? n/t

[Walt Starr]

22. If he's registered Democrat

Expect to be pummeled by that fact non-stop starting soon.

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[fat free goodness]

47. Anyone who attempts to use that

against Democrats is being demonstrably stupid.
It is logically incorrect to reason that because a particular criminal favors a political party that party is somehow tainted.
However, it is not stupid to make that assertion anyway, if people will believe it and you are willing to take political gain at the cost of honesty and integrity.
However, it is stupid to make such a claim if people will not believe it, and will therefore conclude you are dishonest and/or stupid for making the claim.

I think this claim is obviously enough stupid.

[Walt Starr]

48. Hmmmm, the Reichwing Media linked

Lynn Stewart to the Democratic Party. She wasn't even a registered Dem and they still did it.

If Nichols is a registered Dem, I guarantee you the reichwing media will run with that angle for days on end. Our only hope is that he's a registered Republican because ven if he's not registered to vote, they'll come up with a way to tie him to the Democratic Party.

[farmbo]

11. Don't matter, eh? Remember John Walker, the American Taliban?

The guy just happened to hail from Marin county, North of San Francisco, which is a Democratic- leaning county. (He didn't actually have a voting record) But that was enough for the Right Wing smear machine.

Rush, Hannity et al went into a month long offensive about how Democrats hate America and how this guy was living proof.

Political beliefs always matter.

[psychopomp]

14. Because right-wingers made a party issue of Walker-Lindh

doesn't make it right. I think that the party affiliation of the BTK killer is irrelevant; I would not make an issue of his voting (D) either if he had done so.

[lonestarnot]

16. You are right, however, there sure are a bunch of these lately...

[Padraig18]

8. This was 'news' a few weeks ago, when it was posted multiple times.

*sigh*

[lonestarnot]

50. You saying we're boring? LOL

[iconoclastic cat]

9. Fundigelicans and serial killers are both malignant narcissists.

I'm not shocked a bit! Hell, I'm more surprised that Topeka hasn't birthed a seven-headed goat-beast yet.

[Vinca]

12. It would be interesting to check the political affiliations of all violent

criminals. If my suspicions are correct, the Republicans don't have a bunch of garden-variety nuts, they've got bona fide, homicidal psychopaths. And, of course, they've all got guns.

[BlueEyedSon]

13. Family Values!

[Mike Daniels]

17. Hey, let's guess the affiliation of the guy in Atlanta while we're at it

But, given that he likely falls into the Democratic field it'd be best not to make an issue of him or gang members or anyone else that would blow this whole discussion out of the water as a crock of sh*t argument.

[Balbus]

19. Great...

Someone has to barge in and kill another thread by spouting logic. :mad:

[Norquist Nemesis]

20. err...you mean a Georgia Democrat like Zell Miller?

I agree party affiliation doesn't really make a difference. One thing that occurred to me about Nichols (but moreso with Ross in the Chicago murders) was the "activist judge" rhetoric. Personally, I think politicians should be more thoughtful and responsible to avoid spewing the hate. :)

[UTUSN]

21. It's Relevant and the Wingnuts Are SNAPPING

They are the SAME people. The ones who made a coup attempt against FDR, who Fundily self-righteously judge others, who hypocritically do what they preach against, who stormed the Miami elections office, who stormed the TN legislature, who perpetrated an anti-democracy FAKE impeachment on CLINTON, who perpetrated an anti-democracy recall in California, who worship Shrub, who work their rapacious way through life and the earth.

[Protagoras]

23. Anyone ever seen any data for backgrounds of

nutcase killers? People who walk into post-0ffices or churches and open fire? People who run pedophilia rings? I'm thinking an in depth study is called for.

betting in advance that the overwhelming majority of freak killers out there come from repressed, angry, fundie, conservatives.

We have to have some sociology student who needs a thesis topic...this should be it :D

[plant-fan]

26. Do atheists perpetrate many mass murders ?

Between the Wisconsin deal and Mr. BTK, I'd like to know...

[bvar22]

27. Stalin would rank pretty high.

*

[plant-fan]

28. Nah, I mean with their own damn hands.

[rniel]

24. Most child molesters and serial killers are republican n/m

[bvar22]

25. All republicans are not psycho bigots,

All republicans are not psycho bigots,
but ALL psycho bigots ARE republicans.

39 out of the top 39 executives at Enron were republicans.

[Heddi]

29. John Wayne Gacy was a registered Democrat

what's your point?

[bicentennial_baby]

31. Thank You

Thanks for that...c'mon people, let's focus on what's really important, which imho, is not the political affiliation of an accused serial murderer.

[Heddi]

32. No, Thank YOU

Sometimes, I really don't think there's a difference between Freepers and Du'ers--we're SO caught up on Political Party, Religious Affiliation, Where someone lives in the country, what part of the country a particular crime happens in---that we just don't see the bigger picture--which is, Humans are Humans, and humans have always done terrible things to one another. We've been killing and murdering and raping and plundering LONG before there were any political parties, long before there were Fundamentalist Christians, long before Texas and the South in general were demonized for their mere being (Excuse me...long before any city to the West or South of the Northeast, or east of WA, OR< and CA)

This thread is NO different from any Freeper Thread. None.

His murderous spree has NOTHING to do with his political affiliation. NOTHING at all. To suggest so is a complete insult to those whose lives were irrevocably changed because of this monster. To suggest that his evil tendencies are ONLY due to his political beliefs and NOTHING else smacks of ignorance.

[saracat]

40. Heddi , there has been actual scientific research into genetic proof that

political philosophy is genetic. Political affiliation nor or a tendency to have a certain belief structure, even when NOT indicated by party, i.e."liberal Republicans"is apparently inherited.. Many studies have been done on this and there is a book at examining this. If I can locate the name , I will post it. I think there is a huge difference between this thread and any Freeper thread. This is an attempt on most parts to point out hypocrisy and not to cast blame.
The fact that some even question that it might be wrong to ponder the question of political affiliation shows a difference immediately. Freepers would never consider that. They would be cramming it down the throat of the media immediately.

I think political persuasion can be just as motivating force as any other belief system. People have been killing in the name of religion for centuries.The Christian and Muslim Churches have the blood of millions on their hands. All civil wars are political in nature.There is a considerable intersection between religion and politics in many instances.

"His murderous spree has NOTHING to do with his political affiliation. NOTHING at all. To suggest so is a complete insult to those whose lives were irrevocably changed because of this monster. To suggest that his evil tendencies are ONLY due to his political beliefs and NOTHING else smacks of ignorance."

The opposite of this statement may be true. While it is probable that his political affiliation were Not the ONLY cause of his actions, we insult the victims of this tragedy if we do not consider it as partly going to motive. It would smack of ignorance to completely ignore history and suggest politics plays absolutely NO factor.


While it is true that humans have always perpetuated crimes upon one another it has usually been for a reason . Since the advent of written history , we understand that those reasons have most often been power (politics), money, or sex. To refuse to examine those motivations in any murderer is to ignore the basics.

[Heddi]

42. You're confusing corelation with causation

My family is full of republicans. NONE of them have ever murdered anyone. NONE of them have ever been to jail. NONE of them suffer from mental illness.

Instead of pointing to political belief as a reason that someone is a serial murderer, why not look at the PROVEN histories that nearly all serial murders share:

History of vicious childhood abuse (sexually, verbally, physically)
History of severe family dysfunction
History of prolonged bed-wetting
History of punishment for masturbation or other normal sexual expressions
History of violence towards animals
History of violence towards other humans at a very young age

I've never seen an FBI profile that listed "republican" as being one of the profiles that a serial killer may fit. White male--definitely. Between ages of 25-40, definitely. Republican--never. Democrat--never.

Serial killers, also, are different than politicians who wage war, in the sense that serial killers aren't politicians. They're not after political gain. They're not after acquisition of land or power or money or status.

They're mentally ill--usually psychotic, sociopathic, anit-social behaviour. They kill in a ritualistic manner. They're not to be confused with MASS murders--they're SERIAL murders. There's a ritualisitic manner in which they kill, in which they pick out their victims, in which they keep mementos of their crimes.

Again, I would love to see a link from a legitimate source that lists the political affiliation of all of the SERIAL (not mass) murderers in our country's history.

[saracat]

44. I am not confusing anything. Of course most Republicans aren't

serial killers! I didn't make that conclusion. I merely said that political affiliation was correct to consider as going to motive in certain situations. I don't know whether it is applicable in this circumstance or not but one doesn't rule anything out. My point was that this wasn't "freeper thinking" with no basis in logic.
BTW, I also have Republican relatives, and I do happen to believe that anyone who voted for Bush is suffering from a form of mental illness, or incredible stupidity, as there was NO rational reason to vote for him. As Lewis Black says" I wonder what kind of drugs they would have to get you to take to make you think Bush is a good leader" ? That being said, they aren't serial killers either!

[meow2u3]

35. Gacy was the exception that proved the rule

The rule being that the vast majority of serial killers had been Repunks. Republcan ideology and the sociopathic personality disorder go hand in hand.

[Padraig18]

37. You have proof to back that statement up?

I'd like to see the evidence of the serial killers' political affiliation.

:eyes:

[Heddi]

38. Please provide a link

that the vast majority of serial killers are Republicans.

Any legitimate link will do

[Heddi]

39. Still waiting for a link

I just spent several minutes googling, and I came up with nothing.

Perhaps you have some secret link that validates your claims, though....

[oasis]

33. It's likely that the Wisconsin whacko was a Republican. He was a fundie

to the max.

[onenote]

49. its just as likely that he was apolitical

From what I can tell having perused his church's website, they basically disavow politics and are preparing for the end of the world. There was an article posted on the website about what Jesus would do in last year's presidential election and it came down on the side of not participating in the political process at all.

onenote

[MostPeopleDO]

41. sanity, please

Why do we lower ourselves to their level?
Around Detroit, once-murder-capitol-of-world, are the whitest of white suburbs.
Detroit is 80% black and 95% Dem.
It's easy for the whites(many Repubs, especially in the new sprawl zones) to associate blacks/dems with crime/laziness/urban decay.
And necessarily wrong.
These are such cheap shots.
I thought we were supposed to be the intellectuals...
you sound like Pat Robertson saying that gays and satanism go together.
Maybe I shouldn't have joined this board.

[loro mi dicevano]

43. Both parties have wackos. A disproportionate number of them seem to come

from Kansas, however. ;)

[Zorra]

45. Ted Bundy was a republican also.

Ted Bundy

He was a handsome, charming, urbane and extrovert graduate, who did charity work and campaigned for the Republican Party in the USA - Ted Bundy did not fit the bill as a serial killer.

And that was his great advantage. Friends, relatives and even detectives instinctively shied away from following up their suspicions about him.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/crime/caseclosed/tedbundy1.shtml

Of course, not every serial killer is a republican.

Does voting for Bu$h make you a serial killer?

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[oasis]

52. If Republicans got tried and convicted at the same rate as others

there would be far less crime. Trouble is, those sick bastards have the connections which allow them to roam around free.

That much we both know.