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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 06:00 PM
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Adopt an Embryo?
Edited on Mon Mar-14-05 06:00 PM by jdj
This is getting weird.

14 Spanish Women Pregnant with Rescued Embryos
BARCELONA, March 1, 2005 (LifeSiteNews.com) - 14 Spanish women are pregnant with embryos that they rescued from medical experiments from an in vitro fertilization unit in Barcelona. The head of the facility, Dr. Olga Serra, said that couples who had lost a child, infertile couples, and single and homosexual women were among those who came forward to adopt an embryo. About a third of the people coming forward for the programme are from outside Spain.

"There are also couples who already have children and for ethical reasons consider this a new kind of parenthood, to provide a solution for a leftover embryo and avoid its use in research," Dr. Serra.

(this is a link someone furnished to support the "Walmart supports forced abortion in China" argument, that's where I found this.)http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2005/mar/05030108.html

Is it like going to an animal shelter...instead it's an embryo shelter? Truth is stranger than fiction.


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Stop_the_War Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 06:02 PM
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1. that site is a right-wing piece of shit
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 06:08 PM
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4. yes, and I explained that.
however, I thought the story was interesting, I had no idea people felt so moved to "rescue" embryos when living breathing children languish in foster homes.

By the way, here is the article I originally linked to:

Restrictions on freedom are blatant. “The law grants married couples the right to have one child and allows eligible couples to apply for permission to have a second child if they meet conditions stipulated in local and provincial regulations. Many provincial regulations require women to wait 4 years or more after their first birth before making such an application.”

Regarding forced abortion, the report notes that “Seven provinces--Anhui, Hebei, Heilongjiang, Hubei, Hunan, Jilin, and Ningxia--require "termination of pregnancy" if the pregnancy violates provincial family planning regulations.”

Moreover, other forms of coercion also lead to coerced abortion and sterilization. “The law requires couples who have an unapproved child to pay a ‘social compensation fee,’ which sometimes reached 10 times a person's annual income, and grants preferential treatment to couples who abide by the birth limits,” says the report. “Officials often strongly encouraged women with multiple children to undergo sterilization, such as tubal ligation, according to multiple reports.”

“Psychological and economic pressure were very common; during unauthorized pregnancies, women sometimes were visited by birth planning workers who used threats, including that of social compensation fees, to pressure women to terminate their pregnancies,” says the report. “Additional disciplinary measures against those who violated the child limit policy by having an unapproved child or helping another to do so included job loss or demotion, loss of promotion opportunity, expulsion from the Party (membership in which was an unofficial requirement for certain jobs), and other administrative punishments, including, in some cases, the destruction of property.”

this is to be used against wingers who support walmart and it's 18 billion/year trade with China.
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Stop_the_War Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 06:03 PM
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2. They weren't "rescued", that is how the site phrases it....
after all, it's a right wing site. They were just using leftover embryos for the people that needed them.
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 06:09 PM
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5. hmmmm....is this a side market?
Edited on Mon Mar-14-05 06:14 PM by jdj
I wonder if they were charged, and how much.

Damn, maybe Rove is moonlighting for this company in the marketing dept?

edit: I have to post this sentence:

"However, the problem of what to do with the un-numbered thousands, or possibly millions, of frozen embryonic persons in IVF facilities around the world, presents a moral quandary that the Church has yet to resolve."

Frozen Embryonic Persons? Damn, that should have been the post header
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 06:07 PM
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3. Can't I adopt a sperm instead?
I'll call it "Tadpole Ted".

Problem is, those widdle guys only live for something like 10 days.
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Career Prole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 06:10 PM
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6. I hope they're doing background checks.
"Hey traffickers! Miss the boat on the Tsunami Orphans? Don't feel left out...adopt an embryo and grow your own!"
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Stop_the_War Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 06:13 PM
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7. this anti-choice site is wacko and it's trying to twist stories around
Edited on Mon Mar-14-05 06:15 PM by Stop_the_War
This is just an example of a laboratory giving out leftover embryos to those that need them. However, lifenews or whatever it's called feels the need to change the story and say that they were "rescued".
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 06:15 PM
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8. but you can't "give out" embryos...(sorry, "frozen embryonic persons")
they have to be kept frozen and then thawed and implanted under controlled conditions. Someone is doing that for these folks, and probably not for free.
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Stop_the_War Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 06:18 PM
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9. but I'm saying this site is deliberately changing the words of their news
I don't think the original source said "rescued" or "adopted".
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