They want us to give up. To Accept the Inevitability of Bush's Power.

[KoKo]

They think that so many defeats will make us support them or people like them. The Liebermans, Bidens, Dodds, Landrieu's.

They think if they don't cover our protests against this illegal war, eventually we will stop protesting. If thousands of phone calls, faxes and letters aren't answered we will eventually stop trying. If our news is filled with murders and mayhem juxtaposed with Bush propaganda that we will accept that what they are telling us is true, or turn it off and isolate ourselves from our fellow Americans.

"Eventually we will have cut them off from mainstream American culture and they will suffer out in the wilderness," they say. "We have won, and we own it all, including both political parties" they say with glee.

Are they correct? :shrug:

[chicagojoe]

1. Never Say Die.

[Dhalgren]

Yes.

But only because we are comfort junkies. The fascists have made it so that the only way we can fight and make any discernible progress is to do so physically and dangerously. And comfort junkies don't like doing those things...

[Walt Starr]

2. Yeah, they're correct

We cannot fight when they own all four estates.

[Colorado Blue]

4. I think we should perhaps consider changing the structure

of the Federal Government to include the formation of a shadow cabinet.

Especially given the very narrow "mandate" possessed by the Bush Administration, the formation of policy which excludes the ideas of the loyal opposition is bound to be dangerously narrow as well as undemocratic.

I am going to write my Congresspeople about this. It would be a totally new feature in our system but other nations have it. I doubt that the founding fathers envisioned anything like what we have today - their whole point in designing the 3 branches and empowering the Press was to LIMIT power and narrowness of philosophy.

[firefox]

8. We have to end the two party system

It is the two party system that allows the powerful to control the government. If a third party can finish second in an election where a majority is required for victory, there is a platform for change. They can also beat the plutocratic servants one on one. The system is on lockdown. Even South American countries see the need to have it that way.

And it sure is troubling when nobody discusses this biggest of all problems.

[Colorado Blue]

10. I think Nader and the Greens and other parties have been

trying to get some traction, but without much success.

Unfortunately, they won't get anywhere unless some party on the Right makes inroads into the Republican stronghold.

I totally agree with you philosophically. Somehow, the Republicans have managed to cobble together an unholy alliance of seemingly contradictory groups: born-agains, crazy Rapture freaks, poor Southerners, rich capitalists, conservatives and neo-cons, etc. It would seem SOME of these groups could be peeled away but how? They aren't actually natural allies.

BTW - has anybody heard from Nader? He's so right about so many things, just not a viable candidate for President. But I'd sure like to hear from him 'long about now!

[Clark2008]

40. Not just poor Southerners

Poor mid-Westerners, too.
I'm tired of the South bearing all the heat for this. A higher percentage of Southerners voted for Kerry than mid-Westerners.
OT, a bit, but it's my pet peeve.

[hfojvt]

52. Mid-westerners do not have the electoral votes of the south

And something else - there were more Bush voters in California, Illinois and NY than there were in SD, ND, Iowa, Ks, Ne, and Mn.
My pet-peeve is the red-states bearing all the heat for this. Also, I am tired of the "poor" taking the heat for it too. Show me a graph of Bush voters by income level. I bet it was the middle class and up which elected the Fuehrer, with a little help from Diebold.

[FreedomAngel82]

56. Yes me too

As a southern girl I surely didn't vote for Bush and the republicans. No way. As long as the neocons are around.

[meow2u3]

13. Do you mean we ought to form our own shadow government

Sounds like a plan to me.

[Colorado Blue]

23. Yes - and make it part of the Federal Government. Probably

a constitutional amendment would need to be passed. But WHOEVER is in power would then get to hear some outside opinions before taking drastic action. It would be a far more balanced Federal branch that way.

Meanwhile I don't see why a group of good Democrats, etc., couldn't form a Cabinet and start talking and start issuing press releases, etc. Maybe people would listen!

Normally it isn't a problem, but this president has fired even his own good people - PLUS - he's an "activist". IMO the best presidents are the ones who DON'T DO TOO MUCH. This guy thinks he's gonna be up there with LINCOLN.

Help. We need some BALANCE.

[zippy890]

34. interesting idea

it makes a lot of sense
oh, sorry, it won't work for that reason.

I'm getting quite cynical these days, and fear our country is headed for a civil war. This may be the only way an idea like yours is realized. Problem is, the idiots have all the guns.

[Arianrhod]

6. It depends on how long-term we are thinking.

I have little confidence that my actions, small as they are, will reverse the prevailing order of things in what's left of my lifetime. I think, for my term of existence anyway, that they genuinely have won.

The most heartening thing I've ever read during this two-decade struggle I've been in, was the admonition not to become attached to outcomes. If we latch onto a specific result that we simply must have, then we are setting ourselves up for utter despair if that result doesn't occur. I did everything I could to get Kerry elected, even turned one Repub into a Dem. But I never put my hopes into winning. And I have never despaired, no matter how deep into the cesspool this administration sinks.

I do the work because the work is there to be done. And I have patience. :)

[Walt Starr]

7. I see it all being over in 2006

Nothing short of global thermonuclear war will stop it should the Democrats lose more seats in 2006.

[Arianrhod]

14. I'll work just as hard for 2006 as I did for 2004.

But I don't think we have a prayer of winning.

My strategies are becoming much, much longer now. :(

[Colorado Blue]

11. Blessings - and thank you. Maybe the struggle is all we

really possess.

[Arianrhod]

15. "The struggle is all we have."

Yes, maybe.

Doesn't sound very heartening, does it? <sigh>

[Colorado Blue]

22. Oh, I don't know. It's similar to Zen and Dao and to a lot

of artists' philosophies. We can't hold on to time and possessions are an illusion! BUT - we can be vital - totally awake and alive - and engaged in our world.

Sometimes, I've been really extremely poor. I came to see something: often, "just surviving" is the same thing as "really living." How many of us are numbed by material things, dead-end jobs, the illusion of safety and security?

On the other hand, there's doing what we're doing, being really aware of our world, riding the wave.

Is that so bad?:)

[Arianrhod]

24. Oh, I agree totally.

In fact, it was a Zen source that I was reading. :)

No, my concern is not for my own livelihood or comfort. Although I miss those when I don't have them (I've been impoverished before, too), they aren't my goal in life.

I live with the intent of doing as little harm as possible to everyone and everything, and of mitigating suffering where I can. What distresses me is that this administration and its worshipers are intent on just the opposite: Producing as much pain as they possibly can. This is what I find disheartening.

You sound like someone who thinks the way I do. :)

[Colorado Blue]

30. You too! And you're right, for my part I confess I have

been deeply bummed since November, 2000.

Shall we regard it as a Challenge?

Ah well. It's getting really late - take care and Happy Saturday!

[Arianrhod]

37. Spiritual challenges are the best. :)

They always lead to growth.

Hope your Saturday is cool, too.

[Colorado Blue]

38. Your name is Celtic, right? I had a dream last night, of a

planet with two moons, where I met once again my lost love; where all my dreams came true.

Unfortunately, IT WASN'T THIS ONE:)

Maybe in Otherworld. I'll wait:)

[Arianrhod]

44. Yes, Goddess of the Moon.

I sincerely hope that you are one day reunited, thus making your dreams true.

I think that there are different forms of dream, ranging from deeply spiritual through prophetic to mere random samplings of the day's events. But we can always find keys to ourselves in them, particularly, I think, in those details that seem a bit odd or out of place. The fact that your planet had two moons is interesting to me. The moon, of course, is the mistress of emotion, thus leading me to think that your dream has a strong emotional basis to it. I always pay very close attention to such dreams. :)

[Colorado Blue]

45. Oh - dreams are where I live, dreams and visions. I am a

painter so I have an excuse:)

My shrink thinks - well, never mind. He has NO IMAGINATION:)

Anyhow I painted the dream, two moons and all. I painted my friend in the form of a stag, so as not to arouse Suspicion in The Hubby:)

It isn't the first time I've had this vision - the moons I mean. My sister says it's due to my being a Spiritual Resident of Jupiter, or maybe IO.

Maybe they have no wars on Jupiter.

Have you a favorite vision, or one that recurs?

[Arianrhod]

46. Curouser and curiouser.

I like it that you're a painter. :)

I find it interesting that you chose a stag to represent your friend. I just sent off a novel to the copyright office, in which the "leading man" is represented by a stag. Synchronicity reigns in my life. :D

I used to have recurring dreams, but once I left my teens, they stopped. I once awoke in the middle of a dream, and when I went to bed the next night, it continued from where it had left off.

My favorite dreams are archetypal--visions of odd beings, castles, remote wildernesses, high rocky crags. Being a Cancer (with a Scorpio moon), I tend to have lots of water dreams. Water, of course, is baptism, initiation, rites of passage, death and rebirth. I often dream I'm drowning, but instead of dying I simply pass over to a new plane of understanding and existence. This makes sense, since it's what I'm trying to do in my "real" life. hahaha

[Colorado Blue]

47. I've had LOTS of water dreams! I am a Pisces, with Leo

rising and Sag. moon.

My sister is a Cancer, my old man is a Scorpio and the "stag" was a Leo.

It is to laugh.

My mom died in 1971, and I dreamed again and again that she was hailing me from the far side of a raging torrent. I couldn't reach her although I plunged into the water. Finally, the dreams stopped and I like to think it's because she is happy now, or at rest:)

Synchronicity - AMAZING, isn't it??? The paintings that being shown now use the Persephone story as a take-off point so they're all about death, transformation, so forth. I'm continuing to work on the idea, I keep seeing this woman floating into a door, a dark passageway.

[Arianrhod]

49. My goodness.

I also use the image of a woman in a doorway in my story. It's also about transition and transformation, and dark passageways play kind of a central motif to it. Sure we're not channeling each other? hahaha

[Colorado Blue]

57. Whoa. Maybe we are channeling each other:)

[Arianrhod]

60. It's a good meme--transformation.

I feel more hopeful when I focus on it. That we and others I've spoken to are aware of it may mean that currents are moving underneath the stream.

I certainly hope so.

[nostamj]

3. are they correct?

no. but they certainly OPERATE as if that were true. and, with the MSM solidly in their pocket(book), most are kept ignorant of what they're doing... <sigh>

THAT LAND WAS YOUR LAND
(With deep apologies to Woody Guthrie)

THAT LAND WAS YOUR LAND, BUT NOW IT'S OUR LAND
YOUR PRISTINE MOUNTAINS, WE'LL REDUCE TO RUBBLE
AS WE CLEAR-CUT FORESTS, AND POLLUTE YOUR WATER
YOUR LAND IS UNDER OUR CONTROL

WE ONLY TALK TO THE K STREET PAID SHILLS
AND NEVER LOOK AT PROTESTORS' HANDBILLS
WHAT'S ONE MORE SPECIE? HERE COMES THE RAPTURE!
YOUR LAND IS UNDER OUR CONTROL

THAT LAND WAS YOUR LAND, BUT NOW IT'S OUR LAND
YOUR PRISTINE MOUNTAINS, WE'LL REDUCE TO RUBBLE
AS WE CLEAR-CUT FORESTS, AND POLLUTE YOUR WATER
YOUR LAND IS UNDER OUR CONTROL

WE'VE LIED AND SLANDERED AND WE VOTE IN LOCKSTEP
AND WE WON'T ADMIT TO A SINGLE MISSTEP
THE RICH AROUND US, THEIR VOICES ARE SOARING:
YOUR LAND IS MADE FOR US TO TAKE

THAT LAND WAS YOUR LAND, BUT NOW IT'S OUR LAND
YOUR PRISTINE MOUNTAINS, WE'LL REDUCE TO RUBBLE
AS WE CLEAR-CUT FORESTS, AND POLLUTE YOUR WATER
YOUR LAND IS UNDER OUR CONTROL

WE'VE MORE AMBITION THAN JUST THIS NATION
SO FREEDOM'S MARCHING AND TYRANTS ARE FALLING
IF WE CALL THEM EVIL, WE JUST WANT THEIR OIL
THEIR LANDS ARE THERE FOR US TO OWN

THAT LAND WAS YOUR LAND, BUT NOW IT'S OUR LAND
YOUR TOWNS AND CITIES, SHOCK 'N AWED TO RUINS
AS WE BUILD NEW BASES, WHILE WE FAKE ELECTIONS
YOUR LAND IS UNDER OUR CONTROL

WE SPIN THE GLOBE AND PICK A NEW QUAGMIRE
INTO THE QUAGMIRE, WE SEND THE YOUNG MEN
WITH THE OBSCENE PROFITS, WE KEEP OUR OWN SAFE
YOUR LIFE IS UNDER OUR CONTROL

THAT LAND WAS YOUR LAND, BUT NOW IT'S OUR LAND
YOUR TOWNS AND CITIES, SHOCK 'N AWED TO RUINS
AS WE BUILD NEW BASES, WHILE WE FAKE ELECTIONS
YOUR LAND IS UNDER OUR CONTROL

NOW THAT YOU KNOW WHO RUNS THINGS
KNOW WE DON'T CARE WHAT YOU THINK
YOU MUST SHOP AT WAL-MART
AND EAT A BIG MAC
WEAR YELLOW RIBBONS
WHILE WE STEAL MILLIONS
YOUR LAND WAS THERE FOR US TO TAKE

THAT LAND WAS YOUR LAND, BUT NOW IT'S OUR LAND
YOUR PRISTINE MOUNTAINS, WE'LL REDUCE TO RUBBLE
AS WE CLEAR-CUT FORESTS, AND POLLUTE YOUR WATER
YOUR LAND IS UNDER OUR CONTROL

THAT LAND WAS YOUR LAND, BUT NOW IT'S OUR LAND
YOUR TOWNS AND CITIES, SHOCK 'N AWED TO RUINS
AS WE BUILD NEW BASES, WHILE WE FAKE ELECTIONS
YOUR LAND IS UNDER OUR CONTROL

[loudsue]

27. WOW, Nostamj!! Too Kewl!!

I'm going to send that out to all my Guthrie-era friends!

:kick::kick::kick:

[catzies]

5. It worked for them for 30+ years, ever since the Dixiecrats

By the relentless application of their methods, they got the South to vote against their own interests (think "What's The Matter With Kansaa?").

They think it will work with the rest of us, eventually.

So, to answer yor question, not just NO, but HELL NO.

[merh]

9. Call them and tell them we haven't given up and we won't give up!

Thom Hartmann provided this toll-free number to the Congress: 1-877-SOB-U-SOB

I tried it this morning and it does get you to the switchboard!
The operator will transfer you to any office.

1-877-SOB-U-SOB
(1-877-762-8762)

So use this number to let your represenatives & senators hear from you! Tell them that you are tired of being ignored! TELL THEM IT IS OUR COUNTRY AND THEY WORK FOR US!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3287853#

[fooj]

19. Thanks, Merh! It's time we administer a huge dose of reality to those

bastards on Capitol Hill! We can "make" you...we can "break" you! Enough, already!

Peace!

[kentuck]

12. "They can kiss my ass on the county square...."

"I didn't go to the 8th grade for this bullshit...."

"Chef" from Apocalypse Now

[Rockerdem]

16. Yes, they want us to give up

But that would be a tantrum, not a logical act. Maybe its because Im older, but I have seen too many political pendulum swings in my lifetime. When it looked like the Reagan era would go on forever, bang, his successor suffered a humiliating defeat.

The signs that were there in 92 are present now: an arrogant presidency, a shaky economy, ideological fissures in the GOP, political miscalculations (see: Social Security), cramming through unpopular measures like ANWR, fiscal bankruptcy, etc. Basically, they wear out their welcome and begin to wear the black hats poorly. Trust me, there is mega opportunity for us in the very near future. There couldnt be a worse time to give in.

[AndyTiedye]

17. Not Much Hope Left

They think that so many defeats will make us support them or people like them. The Liebermans, Bidens, Dodds, Landrieu's.

Some will out of desperation. Possibly in hopes of retaining some
influence. They will happily throw core Democratic constituancies
overboard in the process.

They think if they don't cover our protests against this illegal war, eventually we will stop protesting.

They seem to have succeeded there. Where are the protests?
I don't even hear about any protests here on DU!
Last protest I was at was me and one other person!

If thousands of phone calls, faxes and letters aren't answered we will eventually stop trying.

More like because they are not acted on. So many of our Democrats
voted for the IWR despite all the outcry against it. And now with
the bankruptcy bill and the ANWR.

If our news is filled with murders and mayhem juxtaposed with Bush propaganda that we will accept that what they are telling us is true, or turn it off and isolate ourselves from our fellow Americans.

"You can fool some of the people all of the time."

"Eventually we will have cut them off from mainstream American culture and they will suffer out in the wilderness," they say. "We have won, and we own it all,

They have already done that, through their control of the media.
"Mainstream American culture" is whatever the media says it is.
Anything they don't cover is by definition outside the mainstream.

including both political parties" they say with glee.

They don't own the Democratic party yet, but it would only take one
more stolen election.

Are they correct? :shrug:

Looks that way.:cry:
I would really like to see some evidence to the contrary.

I'd like to see the pendulum swing back, but something is wrong with it:

[Rockerdem]

21. All you did is document the arrogance that I talked about

Look back to 92. After a series of unpopular acts which were result of similar hubris, the leaders were ejected. Things looked bad in late 91. But voters were so outraged (without rioting, marching or any other outward signs), that they accepted Bill Clinton, even with his much propagandized warts.

Chronicle the unpleasantness: a war going badly, rising gas prices, ANWR, the attack on Social Security, the deficit, (and possibly the Plame and other unforseen scandals), etc. This is ripe for a leadership change.

Its a different environoment now. Marches and demonstrations are not accurate gauges of discontent, nor the most effective outlet. Americans, when they get fed up, vote. It nearly happened in 04 against a sitting president. It undoubtedly will happen in 08 against his ideological successor.

[loudsue]

29. Rockerdem....back then we had a VOTE. Now, the MACHINES vote,

and guess who owns 'em??? THAT'S how we got HERE in the first place!


:kick::kick::kick:

[fooj]

18. I will never give up fighting for the integrity and honor of my country!

Never! I don't give a rat's ass WHO GOES DOWN in this fight!

"Truth and reason are eternal. They have prevailed. And they will eternally prevail; however, in times and places they may be overborne for a while by violence, military, civil, or ecclesiastical." --Thomas Jefferson to Rev. Samuel Knox, 1810. ME 12:360

"Truth will do well enough if left to shift for herself. She seldom has received much aid from the power of great men to whom she is rarely known and seldom welcome. She has no need of force to procure entrance into the minds of men." --Thomas Jefferson: Notes on Religion, 1776. Papers 1:547



As for the future of our democracy and its people...

Every day I can see powerful forces of light shining through the darkness. That light is in ALL OF US! It comes from a flame of hope and passion within us all. As that burning light shines brighter, we will ignite a flame of promise for all of the world to see. Keep the faith. Draw strength from your convictions. Our time is now.

TRUTH IS OUR MOST POWERFUL WEAPON!!

Peace!



:kick:

[applegrove]

20. What is that expression... COLD DEAD HANDS

[Disturbed]

25. Give 'em enough rope...

and they will hang themselves. These Fascist will go the way of others before them. They will push too far and destroy themselves. People will only take so much before they rebel.

[Az]

26. The message is controled

They have no reason to fear us. There are going to be no massive protests. There is going to be no public demand to halt their efforts. They have gained enough control of the process and the means of distributing the message that there will simply be no uprising.

Although they do not own the media they have usurped enough of the flow that they effectively control the message reaching the public's ears. The protests and uprisings that have brought previous conservatives to a halt were enabled by the media. They were covered and helped spread the notion that people were upset and active.

These days no protests are covered for fear of seeming unpatriotic. Only bright eyed and bushy tailed support is allowed on the air. No one knows to be outraged. People don't speak out or make waves unless they feel it is the socially appropriate thing to do. And that won't happen unless they see others doing it to.

Furthermore people have become trapped by their lifestyles. Acting out against this regieme would take time away from their careers. It would endanger the things they have. We are left with weekend protestors. Unable to make a real dent and unconvered by the media if they even show up.

Bush and crew do not need to worry about the left. We are inactive and unnoticed even when we are active. They control the message and outrage is dead.

[KoKo]

36. That's what worries me the most. The death of outrage and questioning

of our government. Especially by the Party (Repug) which grew to power railing against the Goverment and being outraged by Everything we Democrats ever tried to do.

People forget how the Kennedy's were villified because of the father and then the sons. The "Dynasty" they were called. Every part of their life was examined for corruption, sex, lies.

Yet we have the Bush dynasty which is filled with people who've never done a thing for this country to help the average person. They lie, they have stolen money in stock manipulation, shady business deals with other countries, sex, drug use, abuse of power, etc. And there's no outrage from those who were so outraged for decades about what Democrats did or social activists tried to do in protecting people from the abuses of Government and Corporations.

It's all left to those of us out here on the Internet who have found each other in our ability to still have a conscience and to feel outrage.

We have to hope that as more people come online for news, they will join us. Those who are afraid because they think they are alone in their communities.

Well said AZ....

[TheWatcher]

28. No, they are NOT.

They can speak to me of their inevitablility all they want.

My response will always be the same:

Live Free Or Die.

[loudsue]

31. I've been thinking about something lately....

I've contemplated that, since the rise of the internet, on the one hand, it is our ONLY means of access to freedom of the press, and the way we know what is REALLY going on -- even better than we all did in the 60's & 70's. But, on the other hand, since we commiserate with one another so much on blogs, it sort of serves as "counselling" or "therapy", that keeps us from RIOTING, and really getting nasty and pushing back.

Plus, there aren't ENOUGH Americans with their kids coming home in body bags to bring it all to a hard boil. There aren't ENOUGH of us starving, or going without jobs so long that we've lost everything.

It's just that they've passed laws to take away all of our rights, but left the infrastructure in place to give the (deceptive) impression that we're still a nation of laws. (The fact that they are now shamelessly allowing republicans to break laws and get away with it, enough members of society haven't tallied up all the crimes to make it unbearable. ) It's only through the blogs that we get a big picture, but we're still here for one another...and MOST of us on the blogs are still comfortable "enough" that we're not yet tired of just talking (and pissing and moaning) to one another about it.

Once you know that someone on line is "doing something", and you can rant and get things off your chest, you don't feel as much like going out and burning down a building, or something.

But, I'll tell you this much: when the time comes that an uprising is what is required, the internet is sure going to help! I just wonder if, in some ways, it's helping to delay the inevitable.

:kick::kick::kick:

[zippy890]

35. I've had the same thoughts

internet blogging makes us feel connected and more influential than we really are.
and its so much more comfortable than taking to the streets.

You wrote "when the time comes that an uprising is what is required, the internet is sure going to help!"

True--if its working
what will we do when the pigs crash the internet?

:scared:

[loudsue]

42. Good question, Zippy.

When that happens, it's likely going to fall to university students, to once again take the lead, because they're in "community" with one another. In that environment, they can spread the word from campus to campus, while the majority of us will be on "black out" status.

And you're absolutely correct when you say "internet blogging makes us feel more influential than we really are". So much of what we do is talk to one another, rather than getting the word out to the general public. It's always easier to talk to people who already agree with you, or where you can provide a "link" to articles people might put some credence in, rather than talking to someone who doesn't have a clue.

But since bloggers can be ignored by the media and the politicians, for the most part, and because we don't ACT (as opposed to just writing letters to representatives we can't vote for legitimately anyway), we really don't carry a whole lot of influence. Even though we'd like to THINK we do, we don't!

ACTION, that can be seen and felt, is the only thing that will truly get a response. And now the bastards have taken away our RIGHTS to act, through the Patriot Act and the Dept of Homeland Security Act. So, they've left little room for there to be any kind of peaceful, or lawful, alternative to their facism.

That's where the Huey Longs, Malcom X's, and the like come in. The leaders and rallyers who can, with charisma, lead a group to a like mind, reach a lot of people. Their charisma and leadership skills allow their message to bring more people into the fold.

We don't have such courageous people at the helm these days. They'd get suicided in a big hurry, these days! We do have Jim Hightower, and Gore Vidal, and a few others who speak out. But they only reach a few, and aren't big organizers. The A.N.S.W.E.R. crowd has done some good to get people organized, but they're too redundant, and all over the map, to be as effective as I wish someone could be. They're not good "charismatic leaders", but they're good organizers. We're going to need both rolled into one. And, we need it SOON!

:kick::kick::kick:

[natrat]

32. it's like being in jail-not much you can do against coruption

i will never support lieberdick etc. but my conception of america is trashed-

[bobthedrummer]

33. My sig line is my response.

[madison2000]

39. Bush is a weak man and his power is founded on lies

eventually the truth will win out. I don't see people moving towards the right unless they are full of fear.

[jokerman93]

41. that seems to be the plan n/t

[Cha]

43. Never! I will Never be

ruled by a God Damn monkey!

[Iterate]

48. Absolutely not

The harder they push the more enemies they generate. Just because opponents are still being legal in their protests and mostly polite, or even compromising, in their opposition doesn't mean anyone has given up. One event could snap a reaction that would be global and violent. You can only push people so far.

Does this administration really think it's immune from history? Maybe. Bad move.

Besides that, the closer they come to 'winning' the more they'll turn on each other. They'll eat their young. It's the nature of the beast.

[dzika]

50. MSNBC: Anti-war protests in US and around the World

March 20, 2005

Video - MSNBC: Anti-war protests in US and around the World - 3/20

MSNBC reports that there are over 700 marches, rallies and protests in the U.S. and many more around the world.



Video in Real Media format (2 minutes)

[Iterate]

53. Thanks for the video link -around the world in two minutes

And what's with the laser light flash thing between scenes? I kept thinking someone was firing an RPG.

[ScreamingMeemie]

51. Well....they've got another thing coming then, don't they. We fought

one King George, and I'm willing to fight another. :hi:

[Q]

54. Bush & his cronies know their power is temporary...

...which is why they're trying to change and enact as many NEW laws as they can before their time is up. But while they may be gone in 2008...they know that the changes they leave behind will take decades to restore. Some of the intentional damage to this nation may never be repaired.

The Bushies have shown that it's possible for a small group of wealthy and power individuals to take full control of government, nullify the Constitution and pervert democracy and the 'rule of law' to serve their own interests.

That they can do all of this in complete secrecy and without oversight shows that they were successful.

[FreedomAngel82]

55. No way

I don't think so. Not from this democrat. If I'm pissed off I'm pissed off and they're surely going to hear from me. Even my own republican senators Bill Frist and Lamar Alexander. I wrote my congressman Zach Wamp earlier at how pissed off I was at how Congress has been acting lately.

[spanone]

58. N E V E R

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