Why can't they put GPS bracelets on child sex offenders?

[Riding this Donkey]

These people cannot be reformed. This Jessica Lunsford case is just very very sad.

She was buried almost next door, by this animal.

With perps like this, I think we should be able to know where they have been every minute of every day. It could act as a deterrent.

What do you guys think?

[fujiyama]

1. Not a bad idea

Better yet, free prisons of non violent drug offenders, and lock up the sex offenders and child molestors - those that really can't be rehabilitated and really do pose a threat to society.

[Riding this Donkey]

2. Right, good point! n/t

[Wcross]

3. How would that help?

Unless you could keep track of every child there would only be a record of where the molesterer went. I don't know what we can do except keep them segregated from society.

[Riding this Donkey]

5. If they know we could put them at the scene of some horrific event

it could act as a deterrent. Possibly, I don't know, I am just outraged at this type of crime.

[Wcross]

6. Every sane person should be outraged.

I don't think a deterrent will stop these people. If going to prison as a convicted child molester doesn't stop them nothing will.
I can see a point in a gps sytem to track them so neighbors can be warned.

[ladjf]

4. How about a GPS bracelet on the child with alarm capabilities

should the child's location be changed during the night? A version of the "lo jack" that's on cars.

[rvgwinn]

7. dah

They could just shoot them too!

[ladjf]

34. Shoot who?

[madeline_con]

39. pedophiles

[Old Deuteronomy]

8. Silly!

Those are for hardened criminals like Martha Stewart!

[Devlzown]

9. It might could be rigged

in order to keep them away from schools and other places children congregate, but that's probably all. And I don't think it would be much of a deterrent. Child molesters are devious creatures, to say the least. Rehab doesn't seem to work for them. It seems like lockup or death are the only true deterrents for molesters.

[Itsthetruth]

10. Why Stop There

Why stop there? How about including convicted drug dealers, rapists,robbers, anyone ever convicted of any violent crime, etc.,
Why we could do that with non-violent criminals also in order to protect us law abiding citizens and our children.

To "protect and alert" the community require all convicted and released criminals to have a "criminal lives here" sign posted in front of their residence. Have their names and addresses posted on the internet so that everyone can see if a criminal lives near you.
And perhaps we should tatoo their foreheads to protect the public.

Let's take it just one step farther. How about people placed on a government "terrorist watch list"? Should't the public be alerted to individuals who might be lending aid and comfort to "potential" terrorist organizations.

Kind of sounds like something Nazis would do? You betcha!

That's a very slippery slope. We shouldn't go there.

[Devlzown]

11. I'm talking about child molesters.

I think they should be under some sort of surveillance for life. Rapists too. They are rarely, if ever, rehabilitated. If a drug dealer is released and goes back to his old ways, he slings some dope. Society can survive that. If a child molester or a rapist decides to repeat his crime, someone is traumatized to the point that he or she may not recover. Some crimes are worse than others and require harsher penalties. I wouldn't have the same penalty for selling a bag of weed and raping someone. Just because I think we should be vigilant when it comes to sex offenders doesn't mean I approve of the same tactics for fighting all crimes.

[Occulus]

23. What if they were railroaded into a conviction?

Something they demonstrably did NOT do. Something for which the "victim" testifies the offender was asleep when it happened?

Oh, I could tell a nice little story about that happening to someone close to me, but "it only happens on TV and in the movies", so I guess his experiences were all just a fiction.

Here's a shocker: innocent people actually are from time to time convicted of sex offenses. Anopther shocker: peeing on a tree in MI can get you on the sex offender registry for life. Isn't that nice?

It's very, very, very, very, easy to get someone convicted of such crimes if and only if you have one child willing to stick to their story. Absent any actual proof, you can end someone's productive life forever.

It's even a worse situation when a kid is smart enough to know that, like the situation I'm talking about. Smart kid, didn't like stepdad, concocted a story, ruined a man's life forever. It does happen, and draconian measures such as what we're discussing here make their situation worse.

By the way- MY address is on the sex offender's registry, and I didn't commit any such crime. However, I live with someone who was convicted, so I get to be punished as well.

I can't sue the state. I have no recourse. If someone sees him driving my car (which he does), I have the added issue of someone maybe thinking it's HIS car and, say, ripping off the license plate, or breaking in and stealing all the info out of the glove box... both of which recently happened.

There are sickos out there who want to kill sex offenders, regardless of the offense or lack thereof. I worry someday someone may mistake me for him from behind and......

I shouldn't have to live like that. I'm innocent. Why am *I* getting punished right along with him?

[Devlzown]

28. There are innocent people

sitting in jail right now. Does that mean we should do away with jails? Your frustration is understandable. I know that people aren't always guilty of the crimes they're accused of. The burden of proof is the problem with your case, not the punishment. We usually lock up murderers for a very long time and most of these people, I believe, are guilty. If it turns out that someone locked up is innocent, don't blame the harsh penalty, be angry that the burden of proof wasn't great enough to have that person convicted in the first place.

[Conservativesux]

43. And then there is Robert Blake who should be in prison....

for the rest of his life for murder.

[Conservativesux]

42. Because most Americans dont know what thier rights are, and they dont...

..give a damn for your rights, even if you know what they are.

I agree, its much to easy to jail people for bougus charges these days.

[Itsthetruth]

29. Careful What You Wish For

I know. But, where do you draw the line? The right-wing can take what sounds like a good and reasonable proposal and expand it. That's my point.

[Devlzown]

30. To make something like that work,

you must have a responsible government. To have a responsible government, you must have an aware and educated citizenry. Right now we have none of those things, so yeah, I get what you're saying. But anything we use to combat crime can also be abused. We have to be as watchful over our government as we are over our criminals.

[nickshepDEM]

12. Id support something like that.

Im not sure if something like this is already in place, but I would like to see a mass letter, email, or some type of notification go out to everyone in a neighborhood when a sex offender moves into the area.

[Az]

13. Cannot be reformed?

Are you basing this observation on the outcome of our vengence based justice not reforming them? Or are you even considering demanding a more rehabilitative justice system be implemented?

There are a number of ways pedophiles can be treated. Psychologically, medically, behavioral modification, and other paths exist. These are treatable conditions. We simply seem to have chosen not to pursue them due to our pentiant for vengence. Treating them seems to many to be a reward rather than the punishment we so wish to visiti upon them.

Personally I would rather treat them and fix the problem rather than simply trying to bell the cat as it were. Security never works. It will always fail. Remove the problem where it is possible. Then we won't have to implement draconian security measures.

[Riding this Donkey]

15. As far as I know from everything I have read, they are incorrigible, and

they cannot be "reformed" medically or through therapy.

[Az]

16. Reading about it right now

And it is treatable. Not curable. But definately treatable. Like alcoholism. Once treated there is a very low incidence of relapse (1.2% for treated vs 58% for untreated). http://www.ipce.info/library_3/files/cloud_ped_time.htm

[Riding this Donkey]

18. Would you trust the treatment enough to let him baby sit your children?

If not then, I think you might be on my side.

[Az]

19. The issue is

that if we treated more instead of simply sweeping them under the carpet then this would become less of an issue. Child molesters are created by child molesters. We have the ability to significantly decrease the number of incidents by treatment. Instead we seek to demonize and destroy these people. The upshot is that they do not seek treatment and go underground. This makes it harder to deal with them and exasterbates the problem.

Understand the problem rather than just dehumanize the victims of it. This way people will not be forced to hide it from others. Do you think someone would volunteer this information in our society today? They would be lynched for even mentioning it. Of course they are going to hide it. People have been killed because of this.

We need to drag this problem into the light of day. We need to deal with it humanely and openly. Draconian tactics just make it more difficult to deal with.

[Riding this Donkey]

21. I didn't suggest the death penalty or castration, i suggested

putting them on a gps system. So authorities could know where they are at all times and be able to locate them. Give away their right to privacy for the good of society. These people cannot be trusted it has been proven again and again and again.

Although, with that said, I also have to say that I could care less if a child molester/killer wasted away in jail for the rest of his life.

[Az]

24. Saddly ironic

Most child molesters were once molested themself. They are created. It is not a choice to become obsessed with this. It is dropped on them like a ton of bricks against their will. They are as much a victim as their victim. Just as their victims victims will be victims. It is a cruel and sick process that needs to be treated. Not tossed in a dark hole and forgotten.

[Riding this Donkey]

26. I understand it and how it perpetuates and I believe that side of it,

but how do you put an end to it, they have got to be segregated from society somehow so there are less victims/future predators.

[LiberallyInclined]

14. why not castration?

actual, not chemical.

[Az]

17. Eh we should just give up on them right?

I mean its not like they are humans. They are monsters. We will never understand what makes them. Best to just give up trying to understand and sweep them under the carpet. Forget them ever trying to enjoy the freedoms real humans enjoy. They deserve what we do to them.

Child molesters are made by child molesters. They are former victims trying to gain control of their fears. They have a condition which should be treated. Instead they are demonized and used to spread fear in society.

[LiberallyInclined]

31. it's been shown many times that they cannot be reformed or "treated"...

castration could allow them to live an otherwise normal life.

[Az]

37. This is a myth

Treatment results in a success rate of 98.5%. No treatment results in a 58% case of repeating their acts. Chemical castration is a part of some such treatments.

[Not_So_Right_Wing]

35. "they are Monsters..."

Yes they are. I have no compassion for child rapist.
We can talk about how they should be treated or how they would be in jail if there was space for them...but that doesn't save the children.
I agree we should give them treatment in a high security prison...but until that happens we need to scream from the rooftops when one of these monsters moves into the community, and if we can monitor their movement...lets do that to. They may have been victims before but the sympathy for that ends when they choose to victimize other innocent children.
Lets not coddle these perverts, in this case I'd rather have the children be safer than cry or whine about the rights of the a**monkey who rapes children!
This problem of not locking them up has been going on for too long...

[Az]

36. Missing the point

The point is to cut down on the incidents. But if we demonize them and drive them underground then they will never seek help voluntarily because even a whiff of such tendencies in such a hate filled community can lead to life threatening conditions.

Once such an individuals assaults a child certainly the society must leap to the child's defence. They must be isolated from others and their condition delt with. They must be incarcerated. But they must also be treated. For justice demands that after they serve their time they must be released. If there has been no treatment then we are just releasing a loaded gun back onto the street.

In the meantime their presense in society must be acknowledged as a natural condition that arises in people that is unacceptible but treatable. There has to be a way out for these people or they will hide themself. They will stay underground and untreated and become a real threat to your children.

[Not_So_Right_Wing]

40. They will not be a threat...

If they are isolated, alone, and sentenced to many years behind bars. I have no problem sending them to permanent half-way houses after they get out of prison. Lets end the cycle of abuse and child rape today.
I'm all for giving people the benefit of the doubt but at the expense of my child. If, as you claim, these are actions are a result of a cycle of abuse...how does it hurt us if we put an end to that abuse by locking these evil bastards away for the rest of their lives...? Screw rehabilitation if we can save future generations from such awful monsters...

[Az]

41. They are human beings

They are damaged human beings. They did not choose to be damaged. They can be treated. The damage done to them can be limited and they can safely return to society. That is what we hope for any person that steps outside of our societies expectations.

They are not monsters. They may have done monsterous things. But what we understand now is this is the result of monsterous things that were done to them. According to your logic we are better off locking away the assailent and all their victims for life. Just to be safe.

I fully understand the emotional reaction to these individuals. But the facts are that they can be treated. They can be made members of society once again. It becomes a question of whether we want to build a better society or vent our anger at a world that sometimes creates intolerable situations.

[Djinn]

46. how would that stop them molesting children?

it wouldn't stop their sexual inclination towards children and it wouldn't stop them acting on it.

[Donailin]

20. I agree with you

that these people cannot be reformed. The criminal activity is interlaced with their sexual identity, you can't undo that. And the real crime is that the offenders were victims themselves, one doesn't decide to be a pedophile in adulthood. They are exposed to this behaviour when they are children, and the recidivism rate is practically 100%.

[davsand]

22. Any sick f**k harms my kid and I'll be happy to track and treat him.

I'll track his ass down and I'll treat him to my version of justice. It isn't going to involve a trip to court, nor will it involve any need for rehab. I bet there won't be any more little kids hurt by that particular pedophile either...

I've seen the justice "system" and I am here to tell you that it doesn't always work for either the victims or the accused. There are far too many in prison that were sent wrongly and far too many let free that should be locked away. I have no faith that the courts could ever dispense anything remotely resembling justice for the injury of a kid by some predator.

I don't think any society has the right to call for death of any given individual. However, I do think that a mother or father who has lost a child or had one hurt by some sick fuck probably could and would be willing to make sure no other kid ever got hurt. I think this particular crime transcends any veneer of civilization that we have attained.

Call it "mommy justice" or call it revenge--either way, I'd be itching to kill anybody that messes with my kid like that. I'm betting there are a lot of other parents who feel the same way.


Laura

[Az]

25. You better track down all his victims too then

Child molesters are typically victims of child molesters. All those kids molested are likely to become child molesters themself. Probably best to head it off and hunt them down now before they do other kids any harm.

[davsand]

27. Yeah, and if he'd been kept from molesting how many fewer would there be?

Look, I understand the victimization cycle, but I honestly think that I am not a good enough human to to feel a shred of sympathy for anyone who messed with my kid. Call me evil if you wish, but I am not gonna sit here and deny something I realized about myself after my kid was born.

Additionally, I think that no expense should be spared in treatment and therapy for kids who have been victimized (the ones that survive it, that is). A lot of the stats you cite are impacted by the fact that so many of those crimes against kids go unreported and untreated. I do think that with better and more intervention fewer abusers will be the ultimate result.

I don't let my seven year old play outside alone yet because I am acutely aware of the fact that there are people out there who would hurt a kid. I hate the fact that she can't be outside running around all day like we used to as kids. Maybe our parents were not aware of the danger back then or maybe it is just more common now--either way--it is a part of today's world.

I have to wonder if maybe we just need to do something to stop that cycle. Taking a few of the multiple offenders out of the game with life (and no parole) might be a way to do it, but my personal way (which is not everyone's choice) is a whole lot more permanent.


Laura

[Az]

44. Your reaction is perfectly understandable

Our human psyche responds to threats to our loved ones with outrage and anger. Actual harm and a thirst for vengence is created. This goes to how our minds work. We learn by observing others. We also learn the notion of treating others similarly to how they treat us. This works out in both good and bad situations.

If someone treats us well we treat them well and the bonds are made. But if someone treats us bad we return the favor and hopefully the harm they recieve is equal to that which they delivered and they will realise what it is they have done. This is a natural human condition.

But sometimes the harm done to us can so outrage us that we feel the need to harm them or even kill them. They represent such a threat to us and our loved ones that we have to destroy the threat. This is where the government has to step in. People seeking retribution for wrongs done to them lead to social chaos. And society cannot abide or survive such chaos because an eye for an eye leads to a nation of blind people.

But government stepping in does not alleviate the rage. It doesn't change our emotions. It doesn't slake our need for vengence.

I am sorry you cannot let your children play outside. It is unfortunate that you see the world through the lens the TV creates. Media thrives on sensationalism and emotional exploitation. Child abuse is a natural draw for such a structure. They paint a world full of predators and keep the people entranced in fear.

Yes predators exist. But children play outside every day and come to no harm.

[Conservativesux]

45. "Him"? What would you do if it were a "her" or are all molesters men ?

Women molest as well.

[Ariana Celeste]

32. No way could I support something like that.

If that were to happen, what's to stop the government from doing the same to juveniles who got caught shoplifting, or people who get caught with drugs, or whoever else they deem worthy of such tracking. Perhaps they would like to track commie liberal protesters, Jebus knows they pose a threat to national security.

I hate child molesters as much as the next person- I was molested myself as a child. But I can not agree with something like this. No way in hell.

Because it wouldn't stop there. No way in hell would it stop there.

Be rational here, people. Pedophiles, child molesters, child rapists- they need HELP. Rehab, longer prison sentences, harsher probation.

As someone else said- how about we get all the people who are in jail and prison for drug offenses out, and make room for all the child molesters to stick around awhile.

I understand this is a very emotional topic- everyone gets truly upset and angry when it comes to these people. But don't let it cloud your senses- going this far could only make things a lot worse for America. It would be like opening a flood gate.

[applegrove]

33. Yup. Corporate America better step in...I hear what corporations want

is the chips in kids (more money in putting something the size of a cell-phone in a child by operation than there is in putting in on the wrist of the child sex offenders released from prison).

Let us see if corporate America can step up to place and most efficiently deliver on a need rather than deliver on its own dreams of massive fortunes.

[madeline_con]

38. Another approach

two, really. How about executing them?

Or, for the faint of heart, we leave it up to them. If they step foot out of their house, the bracelet electrocutes them.

:nopity: