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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 01:18 PM
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CALLING ALL LEGAL BEAGLES! Did Levin do what I think he did?
Did he legally outmaneuver the Repubs?

http://www.thehill.com/thehill/export/TheHill/News/Frontpage/032305/schiavo.html


During Senate consideration of the bill Sunday, Levin engaged in a colloquy, or conversation on the floor, with Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (R-Tenn.), stating his belief that the bill would not require the court to issue a stay.

Frist agreed, saying, “Nothing in the current bill or its legislative history mandates a stay. I would assume, however, the federal court would grant a stay based on the facts of this case because Mrs. Schiavo would need to be alive in order for the court to make its determination. Nevertheless, this bill does not change current law, under which a stay is discretionary.”

A House Judiciary Committee aide said that the final law was stronger than the initial Senate bill and that it did require the judge to issue a stay.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 01:21 PM
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1. The Appeals Court
Cited this in rejecting the reinsertion of the tube
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RuleofLaw Donating Member (345 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 01:22 PM
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2. It appears so,
The 11th Court of appeals directly quote the exchange between Frist and Levin as to why they may, and not shall, issue a TRO.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 01:23 PM
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3. No. They knew this all the time. The bill was basically to
allow the parents"standing" to request a stay. It was denied. and so they appeal. The last resort will be Scotus. But hey would have had no "standing" to make any requests without the bill. The bill itself is probably illegal and SCOTUS will eventually throw it out.
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 01:29 PM
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6. I hope to God somebody investigates the legality of the bill,
but I wonder if Levin didn't do enough maneuvering to allow the feds some wiggle room regarding whether or not the tube had to be reinserted.
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meegbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 01:26 PM
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4. From salon.com "War Room"
Edited on Wed Mar-23-05 01:26 PM by meegbear
<snip>
But the judges in the majority looked not to the desires of the congressional Republicans but to the text of the law that Congress passed and the president signed. On its face, the law does not require the federal courts to issue a temporary restraining order. Rather, it says that the courts "shall issue such declaratory and injunctive relief as may be necessary to protect" Schiavo's legal rights. If federal judges concluded that those rights had already been protected -- as Whittemore, Carnes and Hull all did -- then no injunction would be "necessary" to protect them further.

As Carnes and Hull explained, their reading of the words of the Schiavo law is buttressed by its legislative history in the U.S. Senate. In order to win unanimous consent for the bill from Senate Democrats, Republicans dropped a provision that would have required the issuance of a temporary restraining order -- a point Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist made perfectly clear in a discussion with Democratic Sen. Carl Levin on the Senate floor last week. Levin said he was opposed to an earlier version of the bill "because I believe Congress should not mandate" that a federal judge issue such an order. Levin then asked Frist whether he "shared" his view that the final version of the bill left the question to the discretion of the federal courts. Frist said:

"I share the understanding of the senator from Michigan, as does the junior senator from Florida who is the chief sponsor of this bill. Nothing in the current bill or its legislative history mandates a stay. I would assume, however, the federal court would grant a stay based on the facts of this case because Mrs. Schiavo would need to be alive in order for the court to make its determination. Nevertheless, this bill does not change current law under which a stay is discretionary."

Based on that assurance, Levin said he would not "object to the unanimous consent agreement under which the bill will be considered by the Senate." If Levin had objected, the bill could not have passed without a roll call vote, which means that its passage would have been delayed -- a prospect congressional Republicans would not accept. Thus, the compromise version of the bill -- the version that gave the federal courts jurisdiction over the Schiavo matter but did not dictate any particular outcome -- was the law that Congress adopted and the president signed.

Schiavio's parents, Tom DeLay and the religious right no doubt wish that Congress had adopted something else. But wishing it doesn't make it so. Congress passed what it passed, and two federal courts have now interpreted it to mean what it meant. The next stop: the United States Supreme Court.
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 01:33 PM
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9. Thank you!
:party:
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Jersey Devil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 01:29 PM
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5. You really have to read the opinion to appreciate it
The 11th circuit quoted the conversation between Levin and Frist and how the mandatory stay language that was in the original bill was taken out at Levin's request. He certainly did do a job on Frist.
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 01:31 PM
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8. YEEEAAARRGGHH!!!!
So the Senate Dems were satisfied before they even left town?! Were they laughing as they left D.C.?

:party:
:toast:

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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 01:30 PM
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7. NBC's justice dept. reported said this morning...
that the Senate and House Republican lead motions COULD have asked for a stay but didn't.

No mention of Levin but the fundies aren't going to like that if they heard it.
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 02:16 PM
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10. kick
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