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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 03:53 PM
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So Dr. Cheshire says Terri Schiavo was misdiagnosed...
...Jeb must've asked him for a favor. Here's some interesting info on Dr. William Cheshire...

“The astonishing pace of biotechnology is serving up critical issues in which the church needs to be engaged,” says Trinity Graduate School alumnus William P. Cheshire, Jr. (MA/Bioethics ’01). Bill is assistant professor of neurology at Mayo Clinic (Jacksonville, Fla.) and serves as adjunct faculty at Trinity Graduate School. He claims that, “even more than terrorism, bioethics presents us with the crucial decisions of our day that the church dare not ignore.” Certainly in today’s post-9/11 environment, there are many possible evil scenarios that can no longer be dismissed as unimportant or morally neutral. And yet, says Bill, there is “among many Christians the dangerous temptation to sit this one out.”

Admitting to his failed relationship with Christ, Bill realized that, “while for many years I had accepted Christian doctrine intellectually, I had not fully comprehended it in my heart.” This is when “I felt the Lord drawing me irresistibly closer to him. I put aside many things in my busy schedule, left behind the research projects that could have led to academic promotion, and started spending time daily studying the Bible with the purpose of getting to know the Lord. Reading the New Testament,” says Bill, “left me hungry for more, so I read the Old Testament, completing all of the Bible in four months.”

That faded past of spiritual neglect has not slowed Bill’s pace, as he now exerts godly influence and authority in a field overrun with moral ambiguity, if not spiritual rebellion. Consider the prevailing notion that human embryos and infants—according to the teachings of some mainstream bioethicists—are only clumps of cells, neither fully human nor morally relevant beings. Peter Singer, for example, is the Ira W. DeCamp professor of bioethics at Princeton University’s Center for Human Values and, by many accounts, has developed to a fine art the rhetoric of misguided moral relativism. (One group even heralds his ethical stance, recently awarding him its 2003 World Technology Award in the ethics category.)7 Take, for example, the following passage from his Practical Ethics (1993), cited here from the chapter “Justifying Infanticide” in Writings on an Ethical Life: “The fact that a being is a human being . . . is not relevant to the wrongness of killing it; it is, rather, characteristics like rationality, autonomy, and self-consciousness that make a difference. Infants lack these characteristics. Killing them, therefore, cannot be equated with killing normal human beings.

http://www.tiu.edu/trinitymagazine/fall2003/cheshire.htm
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 03:56 PM
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 03:58 PM
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5. He should have his license yanked for this
A formal complaint to the Florida board may be in order.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 04:05 PM
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10. You said it.
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 04:27 PM
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21. He doesn't NEED a license...
Jesus will just allow him to keep practicing medicine. And protect him from malpractice and fraud suits as well, no doubt.

Actually, why would he need to "practice medicine" anyway? Can't he just whistle up his pal Jesus for a quick miracle or two?

Redstone
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Chalco Donating Member (817 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 04:29 PM
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22. If I'm reading this right, this guys an MA which means he's
not a Ph.D. or an M.D., therefore, he's not licensed or qualified to say squat. He doesn't have a license to take away. If this is the guy Jeb is using to make a case, he's in big trouble.
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eallen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 04:39 PM
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24. He's a board-certified neurologist.
Who returned to get an MA in bioethics.
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Chalco Donating Member (817 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 05:32 PM
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27. Thanks for the info. nt
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 04:06 PM
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11. This is what I don't understand. Has he or has he not
examined her? What was he doing by the side of her bed?
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 04:08 PM
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12. It was reported he stood by her bed
but did not perform a physical examination. That's all I heard. If this is the case, he has no business making any kind of comment on her diagnosis.
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 04:12 PM
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17. This makes no sense whatsoever!
How long did it take them to find a fundie bioethicist, and what did he do to come to the conclusion that she's not PVS if all he did was "stand by the side of her bed" ??

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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 04:20 PM
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20. He thinks he's God
there's 15 years of medical documentation and this fellow waltzes in at the 11th hour and proclaims Terri's been misdiagnosed.

"as he now exerts godly influence and authority in a field overrun with moral ambiguity"
(from the above mentioned article)
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 04:49 PM
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 04:09 PM
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14. Absorbing the aura..?
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 04:10 PM
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15. lol! n/t
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 04:11 PM
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16. That's what I mean! What was he doing? LOL!
:shrug:
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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 04:13 PM
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18. You're more restrained than I, Brklyn
I'd have suggested this fuckwad was jacking off.


(Am I allowed to say that on DU? I never did before. . . . . .)




Tansy Gold, not ashamed at all
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maveric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 03:56 PM
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2. OMFG!!
But I really shouldnt be surprised, should I?
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Lindacooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 03:56 PM
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3. If he's read the entire Bible, then he's read the contradictions
and factual errors. If he won't admit to those, then he's lying about having read the Bible.

And infants do not lack 'autonomy and self-consciousness'. That's just plain ridiculous, as anyone who has ever held a newborn knows.
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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 04:04 PM
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9. It takes more than 4 month to comprehend what the bible says
sure I can read the book, oh.... probably in two weeks. It doesn't make me a theologist. People have devoted their entire lives to understanding Gawd word and most never get it right.
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Freedom_from_Chains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 03:57 PM
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4. Next thing you know these people
will be bringing forth the janitor of the hospice center to giver his "expert" opnion about Terri.
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Dirty Hippie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 03:59 PM
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6. And how long did it take for them to find this guy? n/t
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 04:01 PM
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7. Not long I'm sure
Jeb probably just had to make a phone call.
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guinivere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 04:03 PM
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8. They probably have had this guy lined up for awhile. nt
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 04:08 PM
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13. Obviously a totally objective, medical opinion.....????????
:silly:
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 04:13 PM
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19. Cheshire's a fundie and he didn't want to get kicked out of his church
...like Judge Greer did.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 04:31 PM
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23. They've worked the religiously insane into a froth and ......
are unable to put the genie back i the bottle, so they are about to use the nuclear option of dictatorship.

Frightening times we live in.
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plcdude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 04:40 PM
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25. check out the
expert that Jeb originally asked to evaluate Terri.

http://www.davidcorn.com/2005/03/jeb_bushs_exper.php

This should put to rest the continuing dishonesty or the media and the Governor or Florida.

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