Is it just my impression, or are fundies becoming emboldened...

[Ladyhawk]

...and even more insufferable?

My mother decided I was demon-possessed and tried to have me committed to a mental institution. A fundy "friend" cornered me in his basement and tried to proselytize me after promising not to. Crazies in Florida are putting on a freak show.

Fundies only seem to care about people before they are born and now--apparently--after they are, for all intents and purposes, dead. It's the time in between they have trouble with...you know, feeding the poor, comforting the afflicted, not killing people in other countries.

Are the fundies becoming more militant or am I just hyper-aware because I used to be one?

[mmonk]

1. more militant

and in your face and actually starting to do some damage to the country. Your observations are correct.

[Jamastiene]

65. They've been itching to do this too.

They wring their hands drooling for the chance to circle like a pack of wolves any chance they get. Just look how they treated the tsunami victims. Convert to Christianity or starve with no medicine. What a bunch of assholes.

[Blue_In_AK]

2. They have God on their side, doncha know?? n/t

[Jamastiene]

68. As bad as it sounds.

Everything always seems to go their way and it makes it seem that way, doesn't it? I wish I could make up my own deity and defeat them. There has to be a better way than their way. They are cruel heartless bastards.

[FreedomAngel82]

3. Are you serious about what happened to you?

Did they really try that to you? My God....

[Ladyhawk]

38. Yes, I'm serious.

My mother snooped into my life, found a poem and some information that was not supposed to be for her eyes. She deduced that I was demon-possessed and called my counselor. I laughed hysterically for about ten minutes straight--at least it felt that long. It was either that or cry.

Of course she meant well. Most fundies do. But people will do evil cheerfully if they think they are in the right.

When I finally decided to cut off all contact, she sent a note to my counselors and psychiatrist, trying to have me put into a psychiatric unit. She couldn't stand it when I was no longer under her control.

Again, she probably thought she was doing this for my own good...just as Terri Schiavo's parents think they are doing all this crap for their daughter's own good. From what I can tell, Terri wanted to die if this happened to her. They should just let her go in peace. :(

[jdj]

47. I'm so sorry.

That is hurtful and scary. If you have ever read Kate Millet then you know about her struggle, the part in her book "Flying" where her family tries to have her committed once again is harrowing...she runs out into the street and grabs this cop and starts quoting the law to him, and gets him to stand her family off. That was so scary, if she hadn't run out of there they would have put her away.

My family is the same way with me; I was misdiagnosed as bi-polar at the age of 22 or so, but I am not, I am just a garden variey depression. My family has thrown that in my face as late as 6 months ago, and I haven't been on lithium for 14 years. I've often wished I truly had been bi-polar because at least I would get something done during the manic phases. But because of that stupid misdiagnosis, I get the honor of being the "crazy one" in my family, and they act like they are all perfectly fucking sane. It drives me crazy. You have to sleep with one eye open in these kind of families.

[Jamastiene]

66. Funny you should mention that.

My stepfather said something to me this morning that was absolutely uncalled for. He said his grandson was messed up in the head like I am. I had JUST woke up and did nothing to deserve it. All because his grandson is being abused and he doesn't see it as abuse, he somehow manages to use that as an opportunity to pick on me. My mother joined right in with him too. And then claimed she was just picking. I am glad I wasn't born with mental retardation. She'd probably say something to me like "Dummy dummy dummy" and then if I said something about it, she would say she was just picking and then say, "We can't even pick with you." I talked to a therapist already about it too. She said verbal abuse was actually more devastating than the physical abuse, because bruises and broken bones heal easier. She's right too. It's the psychological abuse that festers and gets infected.

[BuyingThyme]

4. If the Iraq war is any indication,

they're certainly becoming more militant.

The things those people said about Arabs and Islam -- it was just frightening.

[Ladyhawk]

39. Yep. My mother's comment, "Now you know why we put the Japanese...

...into internment camps." :eyes:

[Cobalt Violet]

5. They are indeed becoming more militant.

I was never one but have been keeping an eye on my enemy for a long time. I can't believe how bad it is now.

What are they going to do after the Hospice shame?

[coloradodem2005]

6. Is this really what happened to you?

I really don't know yet whether or not they have become emboldened because there are no true fundies in my family.

[Ladyhawk]

42. Yes, see post 38.

When I was younger, my "friends" tried to cast a demon out of me. I've been "demon-possessed" on a couple of different occasions when it suited the fundies in my life.

The fundy who tried to convert me is a prof at the college. I am seriously thinking about lodging a complaint with the president of the college. The only problem is, I still take music lessons from this teacher. I'm on cordial terms with him, but will never EVER trust him again with personal information. When you are vulnerable, that is when the fundies strike.

I could make a movie about my life:

"WHEN FUNDIES ATTACK!!!"

Well, I have considered writing a book about my experiences in an immersive fundy environment. While growing up, I had no exposure to normal people. My family was fundy. My church was fundy. My school was fundy. I wasn't given a chance to think for myself until I got to college and the whole construct collapsed on me. It sucked ass, let me tell you.

[coloradodem2005]

44. When you say construct....

...do you mean the fundie construct?

[Ladyhawk]

54. Exactly...the fundy construct...their whole world view.

When you lose your world view, you lose EVERYTHING. This is one of the major obstacles keeping us from deprogramming fundies. They are afraid of being adrift in a world that no longer makes sense.

[beam me up scottie]

49. Can I ask a personal question?

Your story is incredible, how on earth did you ever see past all of the bullshit? I've never met anyone who got out alive without having a signifigant outside influence.

[Ladyhawk]

56. It's a really long story.

Little chinks of the wall came out, piece by piece. I went to a Christian college, but it was a liberal Christian college. It blew my mind that these people considered themselves Christians, but didn't believe the way I believed. I was a staunch Republican; they were Democrats. They were also complete pacifists.

That was the first piece of the wall that came out. These "pacifists" made sense sometimes and even though I argued with them until I was blue in the face, a lot of it got through and started created internal arguments. I compartmentalized the arguments, but they still went on whenever something came up that seemed to bolster one of the professor's arguments. I became a moderate of sorts. My family called me a "liberal" as if it were a dirty word, so I resisted the label.

Then I noticed that the "promises" of scripture were not being fulfilled in my own life.

During my Freshman year in college, I had my first boyfriend. Unfortunately, physical contact of any kind with this young man triggered flashbacks of when I was molested as a child. The molestations happened in and around the Baptist Church. My family lived on church property and took care of the grounds.

Anyway, my frigidity was probably a big part of the reason why my boyfriend broke up with me. Afterward I was tormented by flashbacks and an unrelenting depressive episode. In agony, I went to my friends for help. These were people I had known most of my life. We'd all attended the same fundy school. They responded by trying to cast a demon out of me, then told me not to come back until I trusted Jesus to take care of me.

I lost my boyfriend. I lost friends I'd known for years. The remainder of college was mostly filled with intense depression for me. I threw myself into my studies and walked the campus at night, crying out to God to help me. I entered the small on-campus chapel and read Psalms to comfort myself. After three years of this, I felt no better.

I had immersed myself so thoroughly in my studies that I graduated at the top of my class with a 4.0 GPA. Shortly thereafter, my niece died shortly after birth. I had pleaded with God to save her life, but he didn't. That old line about everything working together for good sounded so trite. I looked at the world and realized that if god existed, he wasn't an interventionist. :(

That was the last time I prayed to biblegod. After that, I looked for truth in other spiritual arenas, but my mind was becoming more pragmatic, more empirical. A "show me the money" mind, it was.

Eventually, I ended up an atheist.

P.S. That's the VERY short version. :)

[beam me up scottie]

59. You're not kidding, you should write a book.

I read of another young woman who grew up under similar circumstances, she has healed enough that she is now deprogramming other kids.
You've got an inspiring story to tell-and it actually has a happy ending.
Free thought wins again!
:yourock:

[JNelson6563]

69. Bravo to you!

You made it out! Amazing you survived it all.

Rock on sister--

Julie

[Jamastiene]

67. That's how they operate.

You nailed it. To a T. They are like savage rabid cavemen who will stoop to any new low you can create for them with the figurative limbo stick. They make vultures look like even more beautiful creatures than I think they are already. The name "vulture" should have been reserved for fundies.

Do you think we could go together and talk to the ACLU about our rights violations in college? Maybe we could form a network of people to file a lawsuit. That might be the thing that would get them to step in on our behalf and set the highest possible fees for our emotional damage from these ravenous predators.

[RoyGBiv]

7. Something has changed ...

I'm not completely sure what that something is, whether it is, as you say, more awareness of what's going on or what. In the last couple years I've noticed it more and more, and it's getting to the point now that I can't avoid it.

My fundie family members have always been whackos, but we've maintained this mutual respect, of sorts, at family gatherings. We don't "go at" each other over these things for the sake of harmony during the gatherings. But, over the Thanksgiving and Christmas holidays, they've broken this silent understanding. I chalked it up to the election at first, but it has continued in e-mails (now thankfully marked as junk automatically by my e-mail program) and random comments whenever I am around them. I have it on good authority some of them are going to attempt an "intervention" with me tomorrow, trying to kidnap me to church.

And then there's everyone else. I don't ever remember anyone telling me "Have a blessed day" before this past year. I now hear it dozens of times a day.

So, as I said, something has changed.

[Cobalt Violet]

12. I think their media is making them feel like they aren't nuts.

[RoyGBiv]

16. Possible ...

Nothing emboldens people who are inherently cowards more than the perception of acceptance.

[havocmom]

27. Head them off at the pass if they try and kidnap you to church.

Go here and become ordained.
http://www.ulc.org/
That'll confuse the shit outta them. Tell them you don't need to go to church, you are your very own clergy.

[RoyGBiv]

36. Hehe...

That's an idea. I could start my own ministry and ask them for donations.

:evilgrin:

[havocmom]

37. you could even wear a special funny hat and dress if you want to

Wasn't it Harry Truman who said "If you can't convince 'em, confuse em"?

[Ladyhawk]

45. Sigh...sounds like you have to be militant right back at them. :(

I had to cut off all family relationships because--sadly--everyone in my family is a complete right-wing nutjob. I miss my nephew terribly and tried to corrupt him at every opportunity. ;)

My brother is not a fundy. He is an Ayn Rand objectivist. Greed is his god and Atlas Shrugged is his bible. He has listened to Rush Limbaugh for many years. He is a correctional officer and has made jokes about abusing prisoners.

My brother's girlfriend allowed her seventeen-year-old son to pre-enlist in the Army and is encouraging her daughter to join the Air Force. I am very concerned about my nephew. His mother is a fundy whackjob. His father is a cruel, greedy man. His stepmother fully supports the military industrial complex. Meanwhile, his crazy aunt is desperately worried about him, but can't get him alone to talk about why he shouldn't enlist or even accept a draft notice. :( I am afraid he wouldn't listen anyway. He's been exposed to this crap his whole life. It took me years to break away. He may decide it's easier to just accept the dogma. :( :( :( :( :cry: :( :( :( :(

[tsuki]

8. More militant. But they need to beware. Remember what happened

to the Brown Shirts when they began to think they ruled.

[FreedomAngel82]

23. Very true

It's always good to keep an eye on things. Right now the neocons are very high strung on power and so are the fundies. :\

[tsuki]

46. But if the Fundies buck the Neocons, they'll find out what

persecution really is.

[seabeyond]

9. they are they are, my own father, now going to church

chatted with me the othre day and said he wanted all us to go to. no i said. cant, wont. told him i am disgusted with religion. the man that raised me, knows me, says i hope you dont die tomorrow. a huge smile and indrawn breath, oh dad, dad, that is sad.

by the time i was done talking ot him, he ended with well i dont htink all need ot go to church to know god. no father, they dont. you and i talking god now, in the bibles, says we are in worship. god is with me always, i dont need to go to a place. and you know me, you know i walk the talk

i have had three friends do the same, and conclude the same. i am not challenged by the fundie, because i am one with jesus, i dont have to search or pray, i have faith, and i know, always, all will be fine

hard to challenge when one is already with god

which takes me to, yes they are empowered, and be empowered yourself, have faith in self, and stand tall and speak out. each one, maybe will take a moment to think. i am working on a handful in my area

christians have to take the religion back, and we will only do it by standing up, and not honoring the lie, but living the truth

[Lindacooks]

10. Yep, quite definitely.

Including a fundie bil at Christmas, telling everybody that our (not present) brother, sister in law, and two nephews, were going to go to hell. This is the brother in law of said 'condemned heathens', not a blood relative. And he said this in full view and hearing of the 78 year old father of the 'heathens'.

Really a quite shameful display.

[housewolf]

11. They have "one of their own"

in the White House and the Congress, it has HUGELY emboldened them. They've been working on this for 30 years now, never gave up, and finally are seeing success - and that's emboldening them even more.

I'm a tolerant person but this is really stretching my limits... I grow more critical and intolerant of christians every day now.

Yes! I want them to go back into their churches, get out of the government and get the f*** out of my life!

[beam me up scottie]

17. Exactly.

I was always a fairly low-key atheist, didn't start or continue conversations having to do with religion but dammit, they've gone too far.
I'm sick of hearing that anyone who believes in the separation of church and state is anti-religion.
When my tax dollars are being used to promote religion then I am sure as hell anti-religion. I want them out of my house, out of my workplace, out of public places and I sure as hell want them out of my wallet.

[FreedomAngel82]

25. I'm with you

I'm Christian and am getting very tired of it myself. They're trying to rule my life by telling me what to believe, think, watch, read etc. These people need to get off people's backs and just live their own life.

[beam me up scottie]

35. Yep, now that that they've

infested the government and the media we'll never get rid of them.
Like cockroaches except they live in your head.

[Ladyhawk]

41. It's Christians like you who are the good ones, no doubt.

You probably keep your mouth shut and try not to tell people "what to believe, think, watch, read, etc." This was exactly my problem with two so-called "liberal" Christians recently. One (recently tombstoned) tried to tell me that I needed to get back together with my family. I am so not down with that. :( :( :( :( The other tried to tell me that I shouldn't play video games or watch violent movies. None of her business. :mad:

So, what is a true Christian? If it's a believer who doesn't judge others, that's cool. I am just so tired of religious people interfering with my life. They've done enough damage, thank you. :(

[Ladyhawk]

40. "I grow more critical and intolerant of christians every day now."

This is the way I'm feeling. I was trying to give liberal Christians the benefit of the doubt, but I'm becoming wary of anyone religious these days. :( :( :(

I don't WANT to feel this way, but I've had a few run-ins with supposedly "liberal" Christians and I'm getting turned off. :(

[Jamastiene]

64. You ain't intolerant, my friend.

Remember their "hate the sin..." mentality when gay people asked for tolerance. Tolerance is a two way street. If they want us to be tolerant toward them, then they need to give us some tolerance first. Remember, if you don't have it to give, it means you've never had it given to you to begin with. They don't give it. I say they shouldn't receive it. And if they dare say anything about it, we should tell them it's "love" we are giving them. They created the medicine, let them have a taste of their own.

[Warpy]

13. They've not only become mainstream

or at least the mass media pretend they have, but you might represent their worst nightmare, one of their own who managed to escape.

I imagine the pressure is incredibly intense.

[Ladyhawk]

50. Hell yeah. :)

You should have heard my mother when I told her I was an atheist. I "used the Lord's name in vain" and she went postal. I told her blasphemy was a victimless crime. :)

I wasn't trying to bait her at the time. It just slipped out. My normal speech patterns are a bit like Mike Malloy's. I say things the way I want to say them when I am with people who accept me, but I try to curtail the utterance of certain words when I'm with people who get upset over silly words...you know, FUNDIES. Funny how a little word upsets them so much, yet the killing of innocent children in Iraq is A-OK with them. Bastards. Hypocrites.

Anyway, I was under my mother's power at the time because I was in her car. She drove me all over the county, yelling at me because I had taken the name of the Lord in vain.

What made me slip? I had my parrot with me, whom I love dearly. I had opened the door and started to get out of the car when someone parked in the space right next to us. She could have parked in a number of nearby slots, but NO! She had to park right next to my open door with my parrot sitting on my hand. So I said, "Jesus Christ, lady...couldn't you have waited five seconds for me to get out???"

My mother basically abducted me and drove me all over the county, yelling at me. Finally, it activated my post-traumatic stress disorder. I had to get away from her. I was shaking all over. I was going out of my mind. I kept crying, "Please, just take me home. Please, take me home. I just want to go home." She didn't listen.

So, I put the parrot in the back seat and tried to get out of the car at 40 mph. I would have, too, had she not slowed down and promised to take me home. She accused me of not even caring about my parrot. I tried to put him in a safe place, but she was literally driving me out of my skull.

I never want to be under her power again. She's nuts. She's my mother and I love her, but she's nuts. She's religiously insane and she tries to control every aspect of my life. I can't let her near me again...

[beam me up scottie]

14. Way way way more militant.

And the scary part is that many mainstream christians don't see it.

[FreedomAngel82]

26. They don't

They just live in their own little world watching faux news and going about their daily lives. If they come across someone who isn't on their side they freak out and all that. No wonder our country is so divided...and of course Bush isn't helping at all. Duh.

[Tux]

29. Many don't care

Some even want Biblical laws so America can be a "better" nation.

[Ladyhawk]

51. What's a "mainstream christian" these days, anyway?

Even they are acting like they own the government. I'm very angry.

[beam me up scottie]

52. Lady, you've got every right to be.

It's the healthiest, most normal reaction in the world.

[VOX]

15. Yes. They have "Jesus" in the WH, and the ME conflicts get them stirred up

The fact that there have been wars in the Middle East for thousands of years doesn't seem to daunt their belief that Armageddon is around the corner.

The scary thing is, what are they actually doing to hasten the "fulfillment" of their crackpot ideas?

[Donailin]

18. great observations:

>>Fundies only seem to care about people before they are born and now--apparently--after they are, for all intents and purposes, dead. It's the time in between they have trouble with...you know, feeding the poor, comforting the afflicted, not killing people in other countries.<<

That about sums it up!

[Left Is Write]

19. I believe that Nov 2 emboldened a great many of them.

[morcatknits]

21. Fundie Power

They've been waiting for this for decades, they just had no friends in high places, before. They are the same ones who expected governors to stand in the schoolhouse door, and now they want Jeb in the hospice door. They've never had any respect for rule of law, only for their own beliefs.
morcatknits

[FreedomAngel82]

28. You're right

And they also believe if the law doesn't go along with God they don't have to follow it. Hence the whole Schavio thing and how they think Jeb can do something about it. Who cares what the law is? It's going against God and their spiritual leaders. So since their leaders are telling them all this they'll of course follow.

[Horse with no Name]

20. My brother told me a story

He is a Sgt in the Marines. He said the marines in his shop would sit around and read their bibles while they were supposed to be working. He told them they could do whatever they wanted on their own time, but while they were at work, they were to put their bibles away.
He said they stood up and circled him, put their bibles away, then turned their back on him and he was told that "They cast him out".(My suggestion was that he tell them they couldn't cast him out because he smited them...but wasn't sure if smiting someone was politically correct).
He also was telling me about some other creepy stuff...said there was a guy he would go get a beer with and hang out with.
Then the guy went to one of these people's house after work one night and he turned into one of them--almost overnight.
At first I told him it sounded like they were laying the groundwork to be conscientious objectors(this happened in December)....but with the religious climate the way it is now, I'm not so sure.:shrug:

[FreedomAngel82]

30. Wow

Simply amazing. I remember one time I was watching this program and it was of this girl who was in a Christian cult. They appeared to be fine and like regular Christians but they were worse. They told her she couldn't talk to certain people and only people in their little group. She couldn't listen to certain music, eat certain things etc. It was really scary. I wish I could remember what this was on.

[Ladyhawk]

53. That's pretty controlling.

My Christian cult was controlling, but not to that extent. I was not allowed to listen to secular music. Period. When I reached my Freshman year in high school, I went against that rule. I would go for walks, but I had a problem. My father would follow me everywhere. He would try to catch me listening to "devil music"...it got scary.

Once I was old enough to drive, he followed me in his pickup. I would find him in the most incongruous places: in the library, on the freeway following me home from college. It was just insane. He had to have control.

He controlled my mother the same way and wouldn't let her go places. If she did get to go somewhere, he would freak out if she wasn't home by the exact time she said she would be. When my father died, my mother freaked out and started doing crazy things. She'd been controlled for so long she went ballistic. She took up with a crip from LA that she had come to know at the local prison. She helped him break parole by moving him closer to our location. When I was still living with her, the convict came to live with us for awhile and I was not supposed to say anything to anyone.

A lot of weird-ass stuff happened. The crip went down to LA and got himself shot up by rival gangsters. They hit him seven times, but he still didn't die. My crazy mother drove down to see him every week while he was on the mend. It's an 8 to 9 hour drive and she went every week. My brother, the correctional officer, still doesn't know a thing about it.

Finally, he got picked up on a parole violation and went back to prison. My mother wouldn't tell me where he was, so I used the Megan's Law pages to find out he's still incarcerated. OH SHIT!!! I just looked again and he must have been PAROLED!!!! SHIT SHIT SHIT SHIT SHIT SHIT SHIT SHIT SHIT!!!!!!!!!!

Sweet Jesus...should I tell my brother and stop this shit from happening again???? :cry:

[beam me up scottie]

55. You need to move.

far far far away.
You've got to do it for your own sake, from what you've told us, it's too late for the rest of your family.

[BlackVelvetElvis]

22. Fundamentalism is rampant in Christianity, Judaism, and Islam

at this time in history.
There is an obsession with eschatology that is driving most of these people into desperation.

[Tux]

31. There are 5 fundie movements

In the world. We have to stop them or they'll ruin our societies, planet, and life in general over some fantasy tales.

[Ladyhawk]

58. Yes, we tend to focus on Christianity because it's the religion...

...affected by fundamentalism in our society. I know the Abrahamic religions are full of fanatics: Judaism, Christianity and Islam. What are the other two?

[housewolf]

24. AND... they are only 20% of the US population!!!

They are a small minority - only about 20% of the population. It's astounding.

From the looks of the MSM you'd think it was a large majority.

[FreedomAngel82]

32. Don't forget

they're also loud mouths.

[katsy]

33. when they "own"

bush, the house & senate, have corporations interested in dividing working america, they are a powerful force.

corporate america + religion inc. = fascism

[beam me up scottie]

34. And woe to whoever

tries to oppose them.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

43. No, they're more militant

Their political puppetmasters have become emboldened.

A year or so ago, a DUer whose father is an Assembly of God minister said that that denomination was definitely being taken over by political operatives. I believe it, and the Schiavo case just confirms that belief.

[UdoKier]

48. Yes. I saw a bunch of the "pro-lifers" screeching at a Planned Parenthood

IN FREAKING SAN FRANCISCO! Get a life! Go home! This is San Francisco! 95% of the people here disagree with you! :mad:

[maveric]

57. I'm arming myself for the upcoming Holy War!

And I'm dead serious about this too!

[beam me up scottie]

60. 5 years ago I would have thought you were unhinged

and I would have offered you my tinfoil.
I'm not laughing now.

[Ladyhawk]

61. Maybe enough normal people will start mentally bitch-slapping...

...the fundies when they overstep.

I'll start by complaining to the president of the college about the professor's attempt to proselytize me. These people need to know that they are not in control of this country and that religion should be a private matter. The problem is, as soon as you start fighting back, they start screaming about being persecuted. :eyes:

Fundies have THE biggest persecution complex.

You know what, you stupid fundies? Try NOT being a Christian, especially in a Christian community, then tell me Christians are persecuted. What a load of hooey! I got more crap after I came out as an atheist than I EVER did as a brainwashed fundy sheep. Shut up. You aren't being persecuted.

Life in Our Anti-Christian America

[beam me up scottie]

70. No kidding, huh?

They call not being able to force-feed us their meme " religious discrimination".
:wtf:

Guess where they got that idea?

[earthboundmisfit]

71. We have to be as loud as they are, in saying THEY ARE WRONG

We must stop being afraid to tell the Fundie whackos, loudly so everyone can hear, that they are WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG! If we can take away the fear & bullying tools they use, soon we'll notice the moderately sensible - the ones who've remained quiet, hoping they'll burn out & go away - will wake up and join us!

[Jamastiene]

63. Will you teach me anything you learn?

I have wanted to build an underground bunker and arm myself to the nines for a while now. I live in the most infested area of fundy-land. It might make them think twice before crapping on me again. It's a long story, but I've been thinking of ways to build midievil weaponry and have wanted to build my own weapons to fight them for a long time now. They have pushed my back up against the wall. It's time to either come out swinging or lose the battle. They really have nothing on me when it comes to the passion to defeat the enemy. They just don't know what they have created with me. I can become militant right back at 'em now. It's like a bucket. If all you do is fill that bucket with shit for a long time. All you will have is a bucket of shit. Well, they've sent so much hatred my way for so long now, that all I have for them is a bucket of hate. Ah, it'd be so sweet to defeat them.

[Jamastiene]

62. They are always militant.

And the enablers who vote for them and empower them by not being aware of their real mission of a planned armageddon oughta be ashamed. And a planned armageddon is exactly what they seem to be after. Have you ever noticed that fundies seem to love images of bombed out schools, dead hanging black people, raped lesbians, starved Jews, and diseased Asian, pestilence, famine, and all sorts of other really disgusting stuff, yet, they hate liberals, because we love images of animals, flowers, beauty, light, kindness, compassion, and we dream of Utopia. And THEY are the ones who are considered morally correct. I believe we should spread that term and demonize them for the demons in disguise that they are. I'm on the rampage tonight. My family has pissed me off again. More broken promises and hateful words were thrown at me this morning. Wow, there's nothing like waking up for a fishing trip and being told that you are inferior. What a way to start out the day. And people wonder why I tend to want to match the fundies militance. I say ask no more. I want to retaliate and defeat their evil. :evilgrin: