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ck4829 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 09:24 PM
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What have I become? What has America become?
I think I am becoming enraged at all what I see.

In America today:

Telling Lies will get you promoted

Telling the truth and fighting for good will get you silenced (one way or the other)

I refuse to live under those who say hate is a family value, I will live free from them or die trying to.

I'm sick of it all, I am sick and tired of the lies, I am sick of the fear-mongering and hypocrisy. I want a ticket out of this world, but I remember it is against all I believe.

I think of my Lover. She is a beautiful Somali, the 'christian' Rightists say they are persecuted, I look at her scarred body and listen to her tales of sadness, the RW'ers have no idea of what persecution is. I am afraid for her because of her Faith, she and I may become the Persecuted, right here in America and if that happened there is no telling what I would force myself to do.

My anger grows, I want to strike as though it was an eye for an eye and a dream for a dream, I had a dream that America would be free from Diebold, Pat Robertson, and the CNP, and so I want to crush their dream of total domination into the dust.

As much as I don't want to admit it, I must acknowledge that I have hatred for the Right Wing. This hatred grows and it will continue to grow as long as Liars, Thieves, and Murderers are rewarded.

Picking up a sign and protesting is starting to seem as though it is not enough.
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hippiepunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 09:26 PM
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1. Hate is not necessarily a bad thing
if used against injustice.
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 09:36 PM
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6. I disagree
hate doesn't fight injustice. You can feel passionately about wanting justice, but I don't think that's hatred. Hatred corrupts the hater as much, if not more, than the hated. It's something to be avoided, always.

Hatred is destructive, not constructive.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 10:44 PM
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18. Hatred is a parasite
that eats away at all of its host's other qualities. Hatred contaminates the vessel which contains it.
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Rick Myers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 09:27 PM
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2. Hitler used Christianity to promote his 'values!'
We live in Jesusland, my friend. It's going down the drain...

I don't know how long some of us can take the insanity...

:grr:
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 09:35 PM
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5. I predict that within 10 years, the suicide statistics in the U.S.
will be catastrophic,not to mention more natural forms of dying such as starvation and exposure. All public policy points toward the abandonment of the old, weak and/or infirmed. Is that what America has become or is it that America hasn't fully realized where they are headed?
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Delphinus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 08:14 AM
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21. America's
eyes are closed to the suffering right around them.

Until it impacts the US, the US doesn't care. I know, these are broad and general statements, which I really shouldn't be making, but I feel like I'm living in a world that I don't belong in too.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 09:29 PM
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3. While I understand the sentiment, I would like to remind you all to say
Hi to the feds who read us.
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 09:32 PM
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4. Something very bad is taking place in America. I have no
idea what is causing it. We can only see the symptoms everywhere, greed, selfishness, intolerance, aggression and fear. Are we going to be able to diagnose our malady in time to treat ourselves? Someone or something is leading us down a fatal path. Or, is there some terrible, but unrealized, environmental condition effecting peoples' ability to think?
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blogbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 10:41 PM
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15. I've thought of environmental factors as contaminated water, air, or
both as having been responsible for peoples behavior..But personally I blame media most of all in our overly celebrated and celebrity starved type of society. The needs and advancement of ordinary people have taken 'back stage' to established wealth, success, and glamor. I think this tendency began decades ago but has grown to the point of being ridiculous today. I'm not saying that media 'celebrities' shouldn't receive media coverage but anymore that's about all that anyone sees. I do blame the public for this however because they have made too much over certain individuals and have inadvertently caused this situation to not only come about but to have gotten out of hand.
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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 09:37 PM
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7. Please remember there are still many very good souls here
Edited on Sat Apr-02-05 09:38 PM by vickiss
on Earth that are feeling as you are right now. It will come and go, back and forth at times, but if good people that care surrender, then it is over.

And you are right, the sign is no longer of much power or use. Something else is needed, non-violent civil disobedience. Gandhi used it to change a nation.

And if that doesn't work after awhile, we'll just have to kick their f**king asses!! I'm a pacifist and I've about had it also, never thought I would say it and my lifelong friends would be shocked!

Hi Agent Mike! I always play real nice with others, promise.
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 09:53 PM
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8. We simply don't have, nor ever will have, the physical
resources to , as you said, "kick asses".

There is a slim possibility that if by 2008, the election process is cleaned up to a level of reasonably legitimate outcome, the crooks could be put out of office, the counter coup, so to speak. If that fails, the only things that could stop them would be (1) financial attacks on our commerce, (2) military attacks against the U.S. interests or (3) the natural collapse of a system that is totally out of tune with the realities of human existence.

The "insurgents" in Iraq had years to bury munitions and plan for their desperate retaliations. They, of course, will be shut down even if the U.S. military has to kill another 100,000 civilians and spend another 200 billion.

Chavez in Venezuela has (1) bundles of money (2) brains, (3) courage, (4) the backing of the majority of Venezuelans and (5) a very favorable geographic situation in which to mount a prolonged military, guerrilla resistance against U.S. attempts to vanquish them.

American citizens, most of whom are locked into the need to work 45 to 65 hrs per week to pay of their debts. They are dog tired, discouraged, confused, afraid and have no resources, either physical or emotional with which they could seriously challenge the U.S. military in the slightest way. You can't buy a firecracker without getting it reported to the police. Shotguns and 22 rifles won't get any job done other than shooting turtles and deer. At the first signs of civil insurrection, we will find out why the prison camps have been planned and set up in cities all over the U.S. They are for us. You saw at the Republican convention, they literally threw
capture nets over hundreds of peaceful protesters, all at once. They
sprayed protesters with icy water and other substances, through the barricaded fences. People were thrown out of a Bush town meeting last week due to a sentence on their bumper sticker. No, we're not going to kick an ass. There are hammers and nails. We're the nails.
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billbuckhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 10:32 PM
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12. It's sad we must look to Hugo Chavez and the mayor of Mexico City for hope
Nothing against them, but where's our own leadership? Where's our own Zapetero? Where's our ....................oh, I forgot, their plane crashed. They were shot or threatened with anthrax or.............unfairly recalled.
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 10:40 PM
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14. Chavez, for whatever his reasons, is sharing the oil wealth
with the poor in Venezuela. He has instituted numerous progressive programs for the poor in education, housing and health. They justifiably support him. He has made life difficult for the rich who have been draining the economy for years. Further, he is becoming a role model to other Latin American Countries. We could be seeing a consolidating movement among most Latin American Countries that is able to mount an effective resistance to U.S. domination. That could change things.

Yes, it would be wonderful if America could produce it's own Chavez.
In the correct political context, I just don't see how that would be possible. The fascist/right wing is highly effective in "shooting down" anyone who happens to be a real threat. Maybe I'm being to narrow in my focus. I hope so.
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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 10:43 PM
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I was joking about "kicking asses", of course it is impossible.
But the frustration building in this country is like a pressure cooker. It is seething. I stated, I am a pacifist, always was and always will be.

I have never seen the type of frustration there is now ever among such good hearted people. It is very sad.
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 06:54 AM
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20. I'm seeing and feeling the same things. As the song says, "I
see a bad moon rising".
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 10:16 PM
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9. i know that place.....
i drop by now & then. Mine is born of frustration and lack. A total lack of applying logic to the world i live in. There is so much of late, that forces me to question how i view myself, this country, the world..basically everything i've learned in my entire life is questionable. Anger is certainly a great motivator for me, and writing is a good way of getting it out and understanding it. My rage also forces me to attempt to learn what the fuck is going on, which is a good thing, i think.
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enid602 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 10:20 PM
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10. Lies
Yes, becoming enlightened to certain falsehoods we once took as truths. . . makes you wonder what else were lies.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 10:24 PM
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11. i've been doing a bit of writing on that subject....
lies, why people lie, and the repetition of lies becoming a reality. i can get pretty lost in there...
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chlamor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 10:34 PM
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13. America Was Founded on Violence and Oppression
Despite all the pretty lies the truth is that genocide-slavery-land destruction were the realities. There were exceptions struggling for freedoms and ecological sanity but they have been assassinated , brutalized, coopted etc. all along the way. But we can still do good works. America is a disaster. The rest of the world knows this.

Approaching Spiritual Death 

“A nation that continues year after year to spend more money on military defense than on programs of social uplift is approaching spiritual death.” 

Gary G. Kohls, MD 

03/29/05 "ICH" - - Those were the words of Martin Luther King, Jr. in his famous speech 38 years ago, April 4, 1967, (Listen to full speech here) one year to the day of his1968 assassination in Memphis, TN. The people who heard that speech recognized it as one of the most powerful speeches ever given articulating the immorality of the Viet Nam War. Some also saw that King was signing his own death warrant by exposing so forcefully the perpetrators of what was known as “the overwhelming atrocity that was Viet Nam.” 

King was speaking out from his deeply felt sense of outrage and anguish over the horrible suffering of millions of innocent and unarmed Vietnamese civilians. King knew that women and children were the main victims of a whole host of highly lethal US weapons, including one of the US Air Force’s favorites, napalm, which burned the flesh off of whatever part of the body that the flaming, jellied gasoline splashed on. 

King knew of the atrocities that our GIs were ordered to commit in the name of “anti-communism.” He saw the connections between the killing of dispensable “gooks” on the battlefields of Southeast Asia and the oppression, impoverishment, imprisoning and lynching of “dispensable blacks” in America. 

http://207.44.245.159/article8405.htm
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 10:42 PM
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16. "it's alive! it's alive!" - from some old movie I saw recently. eom
Msongs
www.msongs.com/political-shirts.htm
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kiraboo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 10:43 PM
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17. YOU have become aware, and passionate, and realistic.
As for America, she has become a place where YOU are in the minority. I feel your pain.
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bumblebee1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 12:46 AM
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19. Sickened
There are many times I will say to my husband, "Only in America can you be ignorant and proud of it." To paraphrase a line from the movie "Miracle of 34th Street":

No, Alexei, the Soviet Union is not dead. It's alive and it's over here.
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