Talk about Christian hypocrisy!

[cboy4]

I had someone approach me over the weekend, and in a very confrontational manner ask me two questions:

1. Are you 100% sure you're going to heaven?
(I answered no)

2. He then asked me if that bothered me and how I was going to deal with that issue. (He had almost a psychotic look on his face)


After I told him I wasn't interested in getting into a debate with him, I started thinking....

Isn't it interesting how Christians are so concerned about gay people trying to impose their lifestyle on them, when apparently it's okay for the Christians to try to impose their lifestyle and values on me.?!?! :mad:

[FreedomAngel82]

1. Yep

I've noticed that myself. People in the LGBT community keep to themselves and don't force their lifestyles all over the place. But boy the fundies sure like to push themselves on you like crazy. :banghead:

[Skittles]

6. see, that's the first thing I thought about it

that I find what fundies do far more offensive than anything gays do; it's that simple to me. Gays don't show up at my doorstep trying to get me to "convert" but those g.d. "Christians" sure do.

[ComerPerro]

2. Wait for it...

The usual bitching about how we are persecuting Christians, the "war on Christianity", blah blah blah.

And about your post, I agree.

Their view or religious tolerance is "You have to respect our beliefs, you have to listen to our views, and you have to shut the fuck up."

[Skittles]

7. I get tired of it all too

I have to put up with this nonsense my entire life but I'm not allowed to express my views on it?

[MollyStark]

27. You're expressing yourself right now aren't you?

Or do you mean you want to express yourself and make sure other's can't express their disagreement with you?
From what I have seen here at DU in a few short weeks, is not that people object to someone's not being religious or disagreeing with religion. What I see people object to is being painted with a broad brush or being told the believe in magic cloud beings, just for example.
What the subject needs is mutual respect. Unfortunately there are people here incapable of respect for differing opinions. I have no idea if that applies to you since I don't remember ever reading a post by you on the topic.
So I would say you have a right to express yourself and I have a right to express myself and we will probably be just fine as long as both of us remember to let the other define their own position and don't make inflamatory language the mode of expression.

[Skittles]

42. yes

but we are routinely told that any expression that doesn't goose-step to "Christianity" is BASHING Christianity. I would never presume to show up on a person's doorstep pleading for them to think differently but I am subjected to this kind of intrusion quite often. There's no "mutual respect" - I am bombarded with this crap on TV and in real life. I really wish there was someplace I could get away from it but guess what - there is no such place.

[FreedomAngel82]

11. Yep

"My way or the highway." And I wonder why there are so many denominations in Christianity. :shrug:

[southlandshari]

32. You won't get it from this Christian!

I find this overt and condescending attitude by some Christians to be the antithesis of what Jesus taught. I would have told this person to go @#$% themself, then go home and look in the mirror and ponder the log in their own eye.

[BrklynLiberal]

3. Amazing how the Repukes and the RW Fundies have that in common.

[Kerrytravelers]

4. That was a fundy that attacked you, I'm almost sure of it.

A regular, everyday, average Christian normally doesn't do shit like that.

How do I know? I'm Catholic and have NEVER, EVER attacked someone. I find it offensive when I've ben attacked on the street.

Allow me to apologize to you. It is pure hyprocracy. A true Christian knows it is not their place to judge another human being. A true Christian is more concerned with the plight of the poor and those whom the world steps on rather than whom one chooses to share their private bedroom with.

[Tux]

8. You sound like

Jim Wallis. He is the only Evangelical I can respect after reading his book.

[Kerrytravelers]

10. I don't recognize the name off hand, but I will search his name.

And if he turns out to be a real S.O.B. and you are poking at me, I"m gonna get you! :rofl:

[Tux]

12. Search

For God's Politics and visit his Evangelical site http://www.sojo.net

[Kerrytravelers]

14. Thanks for the link and the compliment!

[Tux]

19. No prob yo

Maybe we can all agree to disagree and fight theocracy here and abroad.

[kliljedahl]

33. Get his book

I'm an agnostic and bought his book after seeing him on "The Daily Show." It's called "God's Politics" I highly recommend it. I've since made a point of making sure I see him when he's on. If more Evangelical Xtians were more like him I think they would be much more tolerated here. I have all the respect in the world for him.


http://www.kliljedahl.net

[Vektor]

22. Yes!

He is a terrific author, and right on the money.

[FreedomAngel82]

15. I agree

We have our views but a real Christian wouldn't come and attack you. Just a rightwing fundie. Real Christians do reach out but not in that sense. It's so disgusting how these people are. To me they are nothing more than "holier than thou" attitudes and loud mouths who think they're right and don't practice what they preach. :grr:

[Modem Butterfly]

39. The irony is I'm sure he thinks you're a fake Xian

Personally, as a non-Xian, if someone tells me what they believe, I'll take their word for it.

[cboy4]

16. Oh I'm sure you're absolutely correct it was a fundy...

You certainly don't need to apologize, but thanks :-)

You appear to hold the values I've always thought true
Christians live by.

[Kerrytravelers]

20. Well thank you and I try.

To me, Christ valued all people. He cared for the poor and those stepped on by the powerful and wealthy. That's what religion (no matter what faith you may choose to practice) is about- kindness and love.

[Discord]

30. Cause your a liberal catholic.

RW Catholics act similar to the fundies in many ways.

They are getting more brazen and in your face every day.

They are taking apart our country and doing it in the Name of God.

[Kerrytravelers]

35. Exactly. The RC church use to be far more Democratic than rethuglian

unfortunately, fundies come in all religions- the RC sure is getting their fill of them. Believe me.

Last Saturday was the first time in over a year my husband and I attended Mass. We did it for the Pope's passing, but were a bit on edge the whole time. Walking up to the church, we saw a car with a b/c sticker and a dole/kemp sticker. But during the homily (this is when the priest gives the message) he spoke of wolrd peace and not killing others in the name of greed. We were a bit surprized. We will actually consider looking into this particular parish a bit more now.

And, it's within walking distance of our house. I sure hope it works out.


edited to add:

I've been thinking I need to contact Catholics for Choice to see what they know about the parish.

[jojo54]

5. You haven't figured that out by now?

It's a one way street with them. The double standard issue is high priority when it comes to the bible and the christian teachings. The next time one of them as you a similar question, ask them right back, Are you 100% sure you're NOT going to hell for badgering me with that question???

[FreedomAngel82]

17. That's a good idea

I like that idea. If anybody ever did that to me I'd just ask it back. ;) "Are YOU going? I hope to see you there." Hehe.

[Kinkistyle]

9. If Heaven is filled with RW Born-again Fundies

... then dear Gawd send me to the other place.

[Maraya1969]

13. I would have said a resounding "YES" to the first question

And to the second tell him it is stated in the Dead Sea Scrolls. Gays are exalted onto God because they add peace to an otherwise hostile sex.


Or make something else up.


If they say it may be Satan talking tell them you had a dream last night that one of Satan's followers was going to try and convert you today. And then ask, "May I check for markings on your arm please?"

Or makeup something else.

[Bluebear]

18. I *like* you!!!!

"Or make something else up." :rofl:

[onager]

21. I saw the perfect response today in...

...the movie Octane.

Annoying guy in suit: "Are you familiar with the words of Jesus Christ?"

Madeleine Stowe: "Are you familiar with the words 'FUCK OFF?'

[Swamp Rat]

24. LOL!

You'd fit right in, here in New Orleans!

I LOVE makin' up stuff like that! :D

[Behind the Aegis]

23. But..but...but....

They are just "concerned" for you! Are you so heartless?! :eyes:

Isn't it interesting that one can murder a gay person because "he may have tried to force himself on me!" But, if I murdered a fundie and claimed "Christian panic defense," I'd be laughed right into the gas chamber?!

Fundie motto: It is OK for me to force my beliefs on you, but if you "do unto me, as I have done unto you," I will scream persecution and smite you as it is my right!

Thankfully, I was raised a Jew. So when they say..."are you sure you are going to Heaven?" I always say "Yep! I am one of the "Chosen People." I am so sorry you have to work so hard!" And, if they happen to be an anti-Semite and bitch about Jews, I always say..."If it weren't for ONE Jew, we wouldn't be having this conversation!" Works every time!

ON EDIT: I forgot a word...I guess I am not so perfect after all!

[Bridget Burke]

25. All Christians are not the same.

People are allowed to say anything they want--even the nuts. And you're allowed to converse with them, ignore them or curse them out.

Wimping out & then coming online with the snappy comeback you forgot is a bit sad.

[Behind the Aegis]

36. Interesting response

While I agree with your assertion that even "nuts" can say whatever they want, some might see what the OP experienced as a verbal assault. Then he made an honest comparison of situations, to which he was met with a less than compassionate response from you. We all have regrets and he was simply sharing his. Interestingly enough, some people don't believe it is appropriate to engage in a cursing match with another person in public. The OP does not malign a person by name, so no one is hurt by his frustrated post.

What I find sad, is that this person was not only verbally assaulted in person. He came here to express his concerns and was verbally assaulted again. That, is in fact sad.

[Al-CIAda]

26. Homosexuality is an ideology of evil-

Homosexuality is an ideology of evil-
Pope John Paul II's position on homosexuality only grewn more intransigent
and harsh over time. In his 2005 book Memory and Identity, John Paul labeled
homosexuality an "ideology of evil," saying when discussing gay marriage
that, "It is legitimate and necessary to ask oneself if this is not perhaps
part of a new ideology of evil, perhaps more insidious and hidden, which
attempts to pit human rights against the family and against man."

http://atheism.about.com/od/popejohnpaulii/a/homosexuality.htm

[jonnyblitz]

44. thanks for posting that link!

:hi:

[DARE to HOPE]

28. Sounds like you were a victim of the Kennedy Evangelism program...

...and if it sounds like something right out of the 1950's, it was. See more about Dr. James Kennedy below--he's Presbyterian BTW.

http://www.coralridge.org/about_djk.htm

[Discord]

29. Of course, I'm not surprised either.

Been going on for years.

[Tsiyu]

31. Only the self -important want to live forever

Because they are "special."

These morans fear death so much because they don't understand LIFE. They're too busy obsessing about the next life, and every soul they 'save" gets them extra points when they "get there." It's like an MLM thing to them.

They couldn't care LESS about you as a human. It's their own asses they're trying to cover.

"Look Jesus. I saved another one for you! Aren't I the best Christian EVER!!!!"

[sendero]

34. I would have said...

... "but I'm 100% certain you won't be going there".

[Theres-a]

37. NICE!

[Walt Starr]

38. You answerred question number 1 wrong

My stock answer to that question as I've been asked it many many times is, "I am absolutely 100% positive I am NOT going to heaven."

If they ar stupid enough to ask how I feel about that the stock answer is, "I'm ECSTATIC ABOUT IT!!!"

I guarantee you, they will leave you alone after that.

:evilgrin:

[Kerrytravelers]

40. Ohh... I looooOOOOooooove that one. I'm gonna use it!

[Terran]

41. This is classic example of why DU Christians are feeling put off

You could have written your post using phrases like, "some Christians", but no, you had to lump them all into one monolithic block.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a Christian, and have little reason to defend many of the practices of organized Christianity. But this is exactly what people talk about when they refer to Christians being bashed at DU.

[Jesus Saves]

43. A Christian who's convinced he's going to heaven

displays an arrogance that might just keep him out that place.