Biden is going OFF on IMUS!!!

[MADem]

About Frist, religion, he is spitting mad!

[ReadTomPaine]

1. He talks the talk..

But he rarely walks the walk. Bravo for Biden's efforts on Bolton so far, however, so at least the cup is not empty.

RTP

[LondonReign2]

39. Yup, Joe is all about Joe

Methinks Biden's values mostly add up to "How can I get my face on TV more?" He is a showboat and grandstanders, but caves on the important stuff.

[BlueEyedSon]

2. That ass voted for the bankruptcy bill and sold us down the river!

Whore!

[ananda]

3. not alone

A lot of Dems sold us down the river on the bankruptcy bill. Biden was far from alone.

Sue

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

11. That "ass" is from a state where a major portion of the economy is banking

If you're really shocked he voted that way on bankruptcy, Biden is not the "ass" in this picture.

[BlueEyedSon]

18. I did not say I was shocked.

Anyway don't you think it's time to get the MONEY out of POLITICS?

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

22. Even if you did take the money out of politics, he'd STILL have voted yes.

You see, his CONSTITUENTS have JOBS that rely on BANKING being happy. You know, constituents, the people that gave Biden his job? Remember them?

[Mika]

23. You mean the people who's jobs were outsourced to India? n/t

www.stopbolton.org

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

24. No, the thousands of people whose jobs haven't been outsourced yet.

Listen, I hate the bankruptcy bill too, but there was no way Biden could've voted against it. You can't convince me that there weren't more than a few people in Delaware who wanted this bill passed to make sure their jobs would be safer.

[BlueEyedSon]

26. Yeah, banks are in real trouble.

You are talking out your ass.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

27. No, I'm not talking out of my ass.

Whether or not they're actually in trouble doesn't matter. The basic perception by ALL people is that if their companies are doing well they are less likely to lose their jobs. It is completely irrelevant that the banks are in fact doing just fine. Perception IS reality when it comes right down to it in politics.

If you can't get that, YOU'RE talking out of your ass.

[BlueEyedSon]

30. Do you know the pecent of employed people in DE work for banks?

Less than 10%

http://www.state.de.us/dedo/new_web_site/Publications/databook_2002/economic%20overview.htm

They are all incorporated there, but labor is cheaper elsewhere.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

31. So you would tell 10% of your constituents to go fuck themselves?

Really?

You would tell 78,000 people to go to hell?

[Mandate My Ass]

34. How were their jobs in danger if the bill didn't pass

It hadn't passed the last seven years it was introduced and the banks still enjoyed record-breaking profit last year.

Millions of Americans will be sold literally into servitude due to this bill. They will lose everything. Even the amendments, which would have softened this disgrace of a bill a little bit, exempting extreme medical bills, seniors etc. were all voted down by Biden.

I find his moral indignation over anything self-aggrandizing posturing. He's a creep.

[BlueEyedSon]

36. "It hadn't passed the last seven years and banks enjoyed record profits"

(paraphrased)

Precisely.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

37. Perception is reality.

Any time you go near someone's industry, they freak out. It doesn't matter whether or not it's true.

[BlueEyedSon]

35. Chill your stampede, dude. By your characterization, he instead

fucked the other 90%. BTW, I am sure that SOME of the 10% might draw a connection between the "health" of their employer and this bad bill, but half are below average in political/economic IQ.

It's all about framing, how Biden explains himself to his constituents.
If you see this as anything less than corporate whoring (follow the money), you need to open your eyes.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

40. The other 90%?

Really? So you're telling me 90% of Delaware was against the bankruptcy bill? Interesting. I'd love to see where you got that figure.

[BlueEyedSon]

25. The PEOPLE are not the ones taking home 10 million dollar bonuses.

The PEOPLE are not the ones that were his #1 and #2 contributors last cycle (MBNA and some bakruptcy law firm were).

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

29. Well no shit.

Tell me something I don't know.

It still DOESN'T MEAN A FUCKING THING IF THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE WHO ARE EMPLOYED BY THESE BANKS ARE WORRIED ABOUT THEIR JOBS.

[vi5]

4. Biden is all bluster.....

Yeah, he's real tough when the camera is on but when it comes down to the wire I don't trust him one bit. He's like the person who talks trash to you when there's a crowd, and then when he gets you alone says "Oh I was just kidding about that." He has his moments but overall more than most politicans (who are all a little bit this way), my impression is that his first, last, and middle concern is making Joe Biden look good.

[Benhurst]

5. All show and no substance, like his hair plugs. NT

[MADem]

6. He was on the phone, not on camera, and going BALLISTIC

about the faith based shit. He called it total CRAP, demanded to know how some judge in Alabama is the arbiter of his Catholicism...he was SMOKIN', we are talking righteous indignation and some seriously high dudgeon.

I've seen Biden get "sharp" before, but I have never heard him this pissed off.

[vi5]

7. Camera, radio...basically he puts on a show....

..which is one thing when it's backed up by action. But with Biden there never seems to be more than a 50/50 chance of that. He can act pissed all that he wants, but until he does something that shows me he can and will take risks to put the party and the people above his own interests, it's just a show.

[MADem]

9. Whatever

All I can say, if anyone listening to him on IMUS this morning was on the fence about Jesus in Politics, they were given something to chew on. It was good radio.

[Mandate My Ass]

8. I was that pissed off when he pimped the bankruptcy bill

that is going to shackle many unfortunate Americans into corporate serfdom for decades or more. What comes around goes around I guess....

[blogbear]

12. Isn't it just a beauty contest?

[GreatCaesarsGhost]

10. does imus always look this creepy?

he looks like a woman.

[DemReadingDU]

20. Imus had surgery recently

I think he had kidney stones removed.

[Vinca]

13. Biden sounded good, but what's talk if he votes with the

Republicans? I used to really like Biden, but now - after the bankruptcy vote (aka the "Citibank" vote) - I think he's the biggest phony in the Senate. I hope he doesn't run in 2008 . . . at least as a Democrat.

[vi5]

15. Personally I won't hate a guy based on one vote.....

....I understand that sometimes there are circumstances which I don't always understand. I'll disagree and be pissed about it but I won't completely dismiss them.

For me it's just that Biden's theatrics far outstrip his actual actions. If he had a voting record like Ted Kennedy then it would warrant him running his mouth like he does.

[Vinca]

42. I don't hate the guy for starters and the bankruptcy vote was

the final straw. As you said, if his actions kept up with his mouth, he'd be popular among Dems.

[GOPFighter]

14. Can we all at least agree...

..that this strong show of moral outrage on a popular national show is just what we need more of. I'm encouraged that the Dems are finally showing anger and more resolve in public. A standing O for Biden for fighting back!

[mmonk]

16. Yes

Wish there were more.

[Fifth of Five]

28. Absolutely

I want Biden right where he is. He's a good spokesman, passionate and intelligent.

But, I don't want him as President.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

17. Two blowhards blowing hard.

It's to choose which one is more disgusting.

[KharmaTrain]

19. Like Herding Cats

Right now any voice that speak loudly and straight forward about the right wing and religious right's arrogance and power grabs is better than none. Shall we sit in silence and just let Dobson and his ilk decide what country this shall be?

Yes, I am upset with Biden as well as other Democrats who voted for the bankruptcy bill, however, going after a Democrat in a time when party solidarity is critical is so self-defeating. Yes, this bill should be repealed and the banks forced to stop their preditory lending practices, but this won't happen until we get Democrats in the majority in the House & Senate and can start really doing some mending of the damage this regime is doing. Dividing the party further in light of the critical election coming up next year ensures even bigger troubles.

I'd love nothing more than to see a Progressive challenge Biden in some future primary when there's a solid Democratic majority. For now, every vote in the Senate is valuable and we need unity to survive this onslaught.

Biden is a showboat and talks out of both sides of his mouth on many subjects, but this wasn't one of them. Neither was Bolton. While Boxer and Kerry brought out the dirt on Bolton, it was Biden & Dodd that swung Voinovich. Subtle, but effective and if Bolton's nomination goes down, I doubt many will realize the job Biden and Dodd did to make this happen.

[vi5]

21. I don't want to vote Biden out as a senate seat...

....I'm nowhere near being one of those people who the minute a dem votes against something I'm for (or vice versa) that I demand their head on a silver platter.

I simply think what you said is 100% right. Biden talks loudly but it is too frequently out of both sides of his mouth.

[sendero]

32. While there are some heads..

... of Dems I wouldn't mind seeing on a platter, Biden is not one of them. He at least has some positives, which is something I cannot say for a handful of so called Dems in congress.

[ArkDem]

33. BFD

[DS1]

38. Biden is a neurotic Yosemite Sam - RICK RACK FRICKIN

FRACKIN...

Okay, I'll vote for it.

[grumpy old fart]

41. self delete