Case Not Closed: We do not know what happened on 5/11 - 10 Questions

[althecat]

We do not know what happened on 5/11 - 10 Questions

"An examination of this week's scare - based on a detailed timeline compiled by Homeland Security officials - suggests that despite the evacuations of the White House, Capitol and Supreme Court, the buildings were never seriously threatened.
.....
And the F-16 fighter jets that were scrambled from Andrews Air Force Base in Maryland had ample opportunity to shoot down the plane, if authorities decided such a step was necessary, according to military officials. Missile batteries on the ground in Washington could also have been used to take down the plane."

- New York Times 13 May 2005

Yet the various official reports are too contradictory on the events of May 11th to give anyone in Washington cause for confidence in US air defences.

A survey of AP, NYT, WashPost and ABC reports on 5/11 shows five different timelines - two from the Washington Post alone.

Significantly the discrepancies are critical to whether the interception was a success or a failure in terms of keeping Washington secure.

Meanwhile the Newspaper and broadcast reports have provided an entirely false sense of security in relation to this incident.

UNANSWERED QUESTIONS:

1. Was the blackhawk scrambled at 11:47 or 11:55?
2. Did the blackhawk reach the Cessna at 11:56 or later?
3. Where was the Cessna when it was finally intercepted? (the various timelines place it in different positions at different times and in some cases the timelines themselves record speeds that it would be impossible for the cessna to have achieved.)
4. Why did the cessna pilots ignore the blackhawk and the citation jet?
5. Were the f16s scrambled at 11:57am or 12pm?
6. Did they reach the cessna at 12pm 12:03pm or 12:06pm?
7. Why was an all clear given at the White House 26 minutes before one at the capitol?
8. Why was the information provided to the media on these events uniformly unreliable?
9. Why do these self same media reports conclude that the false alarm shows the system working when quite clearly it does not?
10. Why was the President not notified?

Has anything at all been learned from the events of 9/11?

[RoyGBiv]

1. Has anything been learned?

Nope.

9/11 has never been used by those in power as a learning experience. It has been used as a political tool. Learning from it, and acting on the knowledge acquired, would actually be counter-productive to those political ends.

[lala_rawraw]

4. Why would you need to learn from

Something you created for political ends? Seems like it is us who should learn that treason is mentioned in the Constitution for a reason... and until we learn that, we will sit and point at the planes, wars, and other such novelties of PNAC.

I am really thinking that Ruppert is right on target... no point in even exploring this anymore. Time to plan for a mass evacuation. Because if you read Real ID, it is not designed to keep people out, rather it is designed to keep people in and controled...I think Ruppert is right on target.

See, they are not worried about the terrorists because they know exactly where they are.

[RoyGBiv]

6. Good point n/t

[FreedomAngel82]

8. Exactly

You hit the nail. Why else or our airports, ports and boarders still unprotected? Why else have they not done anything with Al-Quida and our security? Why else did they let Bush keep peddling on 5/11?

[KaliTracy]

9. hmmm....an awful lot like the Handmaid's Tale.... that book has come to

mind so much in the last 5 or 6 months....

[althecat]

10. Same thought occurred to me the other day while watching the box..

Saw Fox news with a big "War On Terror" banner underneath pictures from Iraq. In the Handmaid's tale movie they have broadcasts which were remarkably similar.

[althecat]

11. Same thought occurred to me the other day while watching the box..

Saw Fox news with a big "War On Terror" banner underneath pictures from Iraq. In the Handmaid's tale movie they have broadcasts which were remarkably similar.

[troubleinwinter]

2. You ask too much.

They can't even keep track of a prostitute / journalist impostor's comings and goings.

You want em to keep track of their planes?!

[lala_rawraw]

3. I tell you... it was a failed

Theater act, the pilots chickened out of the mirage. Oops!

[lala_rawraw]

5. Because he was in no danger, just like on 9/11...

Why do we need to ask the same questions over and over? This time the pilots turned, forgetting the mirage, and leaving the theater set only filled with actors and a script.

[dbeach]

7. Cessna incident proves bush may not be pres..

I remember reading this last yr and am still confused but it does make sense cuz it gets bush off the hook for these types of crimes. bush has been protected by the crime syndicate since day #!


bush was removed as pres on 6/1/01 and the power transferred to rummy.

this is 2 related articles by same author.

Do ya remember this directive??..I think its an executive order..

http://www.rense.com/general65/fina.htm

"This was a long time coming, but apparently it could not be proven until another "incident" occurred. So thanks to two completely incompetent "pilots" who strayed into the no-fly zone over the White House two days ago - it is now official! According to the White House spokesman, the president was not notified of the potential "threat" because "The situation didn't require a presidential decision." That - it turns out is a true statement! "



http://www.rense.com/general50/fromthesmokin.htm

"The duties of the Commander in Chief were modified on June 1, 2001 internally, by traitors, who sought to undercut the chain of command and remove Bush from any responsibility whatsoever - in the event of an attack of this kind upon this nation.

"Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Instruction CJCSI 3610.01A (dated 1 June 2001) was issued to provide "guidance to the Deputy Director for Operations (DDO), National Military Command Center (NMCC), and operational commanders in the event of an aircraft piracy (hijacking) or request for destruction of derelict airborne objects." This new instruction superseded CJCSI 3610.01 of 31 July 1997." "

http://www.rense.com/general50/fromthesmokin.htm


dbeach

[mopaul]

12. 'Bush and Entire Government Caught with Pants Down'

proving once and for all that bush isnt' in charge and that we are not safer and not prepared.

[althecat]

13. Consideration of the NYT Timeline of events...

This is the best of the timelines and most comprehensive but still has some serious problems noted in capitals below. Significantly it doesn't include most of the information necessary to determine whether the operation was a success or a failure. None of the times or locations of interception are noted. Without these it would be impossible to conclude that the operation was a success and yet that is precisely what the NYT did in its news report.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/11/politics/12plane-side.html?

11:28 a.m. A single-engine, twoseat Cessna 150 approaches restricted airspace around Washington.
11:34 President Bush arrives for a mountain-bike ride at Patuxent Wildlife Research Center in Maryland.
11:47 A Black Hawk helicopter and a Citation 550 jet from the Department of Homeland Security take off from Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport.
11:55 The Black Hawk makes visual contact with the Cessna.
11:57 Two F-16’s are scrambled from Andrews Air Force Base, Md. Just before noon The Capitol Police, the Secret Service and the Pentagon Force Protection Agency convene a conference call.
11:59 The threat level at the White House is raised to yellow, with the plane about 15 miles away.
12:01 The threat level at the White House is raised to orange; the plane is now within 10 miles. Evacuations and moving of people to more secure locations begin.

ACCORDING TO ONE OF THE NYT REPORTS THE PLANE WAS TRAVELLING AT 100MPH or 1.6 MILES PER MINUTE... AT THAT RATE IT WOULD TAKE FOUR MINUTES NOT TWO TO TRAVEL FIVE MILES

12:02 Capitol Police begin evacuating the Congressional leadership. The Pentagon decides not to order an evacuation, after judging that the plane’s size, flight track and speed pose little risk.
12:03 The alert level is raised to red at the White House.
12:04 The Capitol Police begin to evacuate the Capitol and House and Senate office buildings.
12:11 The White House threat level is lowered to yellow.
12:14 The all clear is given at the White House.
12:24 The plane leaves restricted airspace.
12:38 The plane lands in Frederick, Md.
About 12:50 Mr. Bush is told about the incident.

[althecat]

14. Letter to Michael Getler - Washington Post Ombudsman

RE: 5/11 Small Plane Incident - Lots Of Questions Remain

Dear Michael,

Various official reports are too contradictory on the events of May 11th to give anyone in Washington cause for confidence in US air defences.

A survey of AP, NYT, WashPost and ABC reports on 5/11 shows five different timelines - two from the Washington Post alone.

Significantly the discrepancies are critical to whether the interception was a success or a failure in terms of keeping Washington secure.

Meanwhile the Washington Post reports have provided an entirely false sense of security in relation to this incident.

UNANSWERED QUESTIONS:

1. Was the blackhawk scrambled at 11:47 or 11:55?
2. Did the blackhawk reach the Cessna at 11:56 or later?
3. Where was the Cessna when it was finally intercepted? (the various timelines place it in different positions at different times and in some cases the timelines themselves record speeds that it would be impossible for the cessna to have achieved.)
4. Why did the cessna pilots ignore the blackhawk and the citation jet?
5. Were the f16s scrambled at 11:57am or 12pm?
6. Did they reach the cessna at 12pm 12:03pm or 12:06pm?
7. Why was an all clear given at the White House 26 minutes before one at the capitol?
8. Why was the information provided to the media on these events uniformly unreliable?
9. Why do these self same media reports conclude that the false alarm shows the system working when quite clearly it does not?
10. Why was the President not notified?

The reports in the Washington Post with clearly contradictory information are

Confused Fliers Trigger Capital Scare
Blundering Plane Spurs Evacuations, F-16 Interception

By Michael E. Ruane and Spencer S. Hsu
Washington Post Staff Writers
Thursday, May 12, 2005; Page A01
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/05/11/AR2005051100887.html

Pilot Was Ill-Prepared, Froze in Flight, FAA Says
Officials to Revoke Certificate of Flier in Capital Scare, the Toughest Sanction Under New Airspace Rules

By Sara Kehaulani Goo and Sari Horwitz
Washington Post Staff Writers
Saturday, May 14, 2005; Page B01
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/05/13/AR2005051301570.html?nav=hcmodule

The bylines on these articles are

Michael E. Ruane and Spencer S. Hsu
&
Sara Kehaulani Goo and Sari Horwitz
Assisted by Fredrick Kunkle and Del Quentin Wilber

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