PEOPLE

[lala_rawraw]

PROTECT YOUR JOURNALISTS... THE NEWSWEEK STORY IS SUPPORTED BY MANY ACCOUNTS... WHERE NEWSWEEK WAS WRONG WAS ON ONE OF THEIR SOURCES...THE ACCOUNTS ARE SUPPORTED BY MANY. THIS IS SPINNING INTO RATHER GATE AND I AM HEARING PEOPLE WILL LOSE JOBS OVER THE PRESSURE.... NOW REMEMBER,

THE ALLEGATIONS ARE SUPPORTED BY MANY SOURCES... SO WHAT NEWSWEEK WAS APOLOGIZING FOR (NOT WELL I MIGHT ADD) IS USING A PARTICULAR SOURCE.

THE MSM AND RW MACHINES ARE HARD AT WORK... DO YOU WANT TO LOSE ANOTHER REPORTER TO BULLSHIT?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050516/ts_nm/religion_afghan_bush_dc&printer=1

NOW READ THIS:
http://rawstory.com/exclusives/newsweek_koran_report_516.htm

CALL, EMAIL, SCREAM YOUR BRAINS OUT TO EVERY OUTLET... PAPER, TV, WEB ETC... PROTECT YOUR JOURNALISTS PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[lala_rawraw]

1. kick

[Coexist]

3. great stuff - thanks and will do

[lostnfound]

39. Can you be more specific about what you think should be said?

I haven't been watching TV, are they hitting on the story there? AS if it's all about faulty reporting or something?

I want to help on this but I'm not sure exactly who or what to target.

[Coexist]

40. tell them that one source was fuzzy

but the story was correct. Don't let them hang Newsweek to cover their butts. No reporter who reports the truth should be sacrificed. It is up to us to help them.

[lostnfound]

67. Thank you, that helps.

Just having a little clarity problem this morning! I will do as you suggested.

[DrDebug]

2. So only one source didn't check out?

What is the fuzz about then, because if there are other sources which support the story then there's nothing going on. Scott McClellan is adding a spin which is not correct. If the story can be verified despite a source which didn't check out then there is no reason to retract the story. It sounds more an attempt to stiffle critism.

Something completely different. lala_rawraw is that because you are a member of rawstory or is that completely seperate. Just being nosey ;)

[lala_rawraw]

5. Is what ? Nosey great, but

Just don't get the question... you mean my nick name?


They are using this to distract from the UK memo... and this will not work if we move fast and hard.

[DrDebug]

6. I meant your nickname. I guess the answer is no

It sounds like they want to stiffle critism about Guantanamo but indeed they want to add as much distraction from the UK memo as well.

[lala_rawraw]

15. My nickname

Is a stupid attempt at humor: la la raw raw for ba ba wa wa...I don't think anyone got it:(

But it is based on my byline and the publication I write for:

So, Larisa (my first name) is La La and Raw Story (the publication) is Raw Raw.

That is how I came up with this silly name, lol.

I agree on your theory

[lala_rawraw]

20. Oh, just read that again... Yes... the Other member, lol n/t

[Stephanie]

4. Wouldn't be the first time that the WH killed a story by planting a source

and then discrediting them, and the entire story in the bargain. They did it with the AWOL story. They did it with Hatfield. When they want a story to go away they plant a phony source, expose them as phony, and thereby kill the story.

[Pacifist Patriot]

7. I'm glad you said that.

People look at me like I'm crazy. I have no doubt that is exactly what they are doing. I hate to say it, but in a way it's brilliant. Unethical and immoral, but brilliant.

[acmejack]

10. If nothing else these people are devious

and frightening. I am convinced there are no depths to which they are unwilling to descend. We simply must act to bring a modicum of honesty to our government. I was raised believing truth and justice were the American way. We presently have neither.

[Pacifist Patriot]

13. Unfortunately I am forced to agree.

I too think there are no depths to which the neocons will not sink.

[TWiley]

8. This is a replay.

The story on the AWOL bush was true, but a fraudlent document was cited. Once they proved that document was false, the public believed that the whole claim was false, which it was not.

This is bushtapo propaganda. They seem to have the CIA conducting psychological warfare through the media on American people.

This is the second time around for this tactic.

[ldf]

106. the document was false?

i think it was because the dan rather/bush awol smear document was a copy, not the original. the woman who supplied the original INSISTED that the ORIGINAL be burned, after it was copied.

so, no original, no proof. all a setup.

no one ever tried to rebut the allegations, especially since the secretary said that the gist of the documents were true, but they weren't typed by her.

but that got swept up in the "fraudulent" document, led by our dear friends over on the fascistrepublic. and since there were no originals to back it up......

[TWiley]

116. That is how it happened

Your memory is better than mine. Either way, I feel this is the same ploy being used to dispell a true story. Ironicaly, I just had a conversation with a co-worker who insisted that the "false" Dan Rather" story was evidence that the "liberal media" was attacking bush with false pretense.

On a side note, it is amazing how many fundamentalists that I know actually believe that WMD were actually found. It is also common to hear of phantom proof of WMD being moved to Syria.

In some churches around here, they virtually preach this stuff from the pulpit. Religious media has almost become a propaganda wholesaler in my view.

[Hapameli]

9. Thanks lala, will do... n/t

[ElectroPrincess]

11. Unfortunately both the money and corporate media is owned by the RW ...

For the short term folks ... NO doubt about it - We're screwed.

Only when a few of our fellow dumbed down Americans NOTICE that they are being paid less or not at all ... only when they must go into debt to save the life of a loved one due to run away medical costs ... only when one (or more) of their beloved family members die for *freedom in the middle east* ... only when their children suffer horribly from pollution related chronic illnesses like asthma ... only when returning troops start procreating genetically mutant offspring ... only when one can NOT keep their parents out of poverty because our Social Security has been used by the corporate masters ...

ONLY the above and perhaps more must be endured before US self-possessed American citizens will demonstrate the courage to demand that the American People be placed ahead of the Multi-National Corporations by OUR Government.

ONLY THEN - when people protest and refuse to re-elect incumbent representatives who love the Military Industrial War Machine, will we, The American People, find some semblance of JUSTICE.

Until then it's nothing but "down the memory hole" with everything negative about this RW Government. When you're watching the "Michael Jackson Trial" or some other sleazy horrid sex crime details, ad nauseum, please REMEMBER = they don't call the USA Corporate Media *a noise machine* for nothing.

[lala_rawraw]

14. I AM NOT ASKING WHO OWNS WHAT...

I AM ASKING FOR YOUR HELP IN BACKING A JOURNALIST... PLEASE!!!!!


We cannot blame the press for not doing their job, when we won't do our jobs: protecting them.

This is why some of the MSM are not reporting, because they will lose everything, and we will just point fingers.

The American people either value a free press and will fight for it or they will lose to lies.

Now I BEG YOU... call, scream, write, call in right wing shows... DO IT and back Michael on this. We lose him, we lose one of the few MSM journalists still doing their job.

[ElectroPrincess]

19. Understood. But don't lose hope because it will NOT work.

We don't have the money or the influence. Until large masses of people begin to protest, again, we're screwed.

I'm not espousing "learned helplessness" but we need to save our energy and choose our battles.

Newsflash: I monitor FOX Cable. Newsweek has been convicted. They may go broke. Stick a fork in it fellow liberals - lay low and pick your battles.

After all, millions across the world are considered a "focus group."

My point: Until we get some STRONG backing, it's like tilting at windmills.

[lala_rawraw]

21. I do not mean to sound angry and I do respect your

Opinion... but with all do respect, that is just not true=bs.

We have done more to get the truth out in the last 6 months than the entire MSM put together has done in 4 years.

I am not worried or discouraged by any means... I am mobilizing the free press supporters on an action item and it will work, watch!!!!

Even if I have to keep calling CNN, NPR, etc... all fucking day and not write the story that I am on deadline for... I don't care... we either support a free press or we don't... we cannot just say we do.

[ElectroPrincess]

28. OK, I honestly hope you will have some effect, but experience ...

and history dictates otherwise.

BTW the use of "but" negates everything you typed before it. :hi: Learned the forgoing from an ole' English Teacher who knew me well, but liked me anyway. ;)

[lala_rawraw]

30. Guess my degree in English can be used for toilet paper...

I am in a hurry and angry. Pardon all grammar.

[ElectroPrincess]

34. OK "la la" no more teasing or understated smart-ass quips from me ...

and definitely no more buts LOL

Best wishes to you and yours!
Give um' hell. <--- sincere

EP

[Griffy]

53. I just returned from Media reform.. WE HAVE IT...

you underestimate the number of alternative sources and the number of people listening... I thought I knew , but I saw so many things going on out there in radio, print, internet and word of mouth! The media REVOLUTION is ON... it was a packed sold out conference with over 2500 ppl and more wanted to go... just cause you dont see it, dont mean it aint there!!!!

BE THE MEDIA....

email , call , write .. the effect is growing!

[Andy_Stephenson]

12. Nominating and

:kick:ing

[lala_rawraw]

16. kick

And action... kicking kicking kicking:D

[lala_rawraw]

17. Can we get this up to front page?

So people can get invovled? Email to everyone you know, call every show, email every publication and news outlet, call every idiot at Fox, call the right side shows... react quickly... or quick response to attack.

[lala_rawraw]

18. kick kick flipping kick

Got a hold of Al Franken's producer... Hope they address this ASAP... anyone else making progress?

[Coexist]

22. Let's keep this at the top of the page - important action item!

[lala_rawraw]

25. trying...

Can someone babysit because I am trying to write something and get the word out on this as well.

[Coexist]

32. I'll watch it for you until 2:00! I'm at work but will check in every 15

minutes or so.

Get some sleep or to work or whatever you're doing!

[lala_rawraw]

23. kicking... kicking, tired, but kicking n/t

[Javaman]

24. Don't you see what is happening?

One by one the various news sources are being torn down. All print publications that site evidence of this sham gov't will be picked apart and left for the vultures.
Once that is done, the internet is next.

[lala_rawraw]

26. The Internet is already a target... high energy prices n/t

[sabra]

27. Maybe this will be the breaking point, when they will say enough is enough

At least I hope so!

[Andy_Stephenson]

29. Kick

for a free and vigorous press.

:kick:

[Coexist]

31. who has the national media blaster? Can you post a link?

I want to do more than local Florida

[lala_rawraw]

33. Newsweek explains...

Finally:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7857407/site/newsweek/page/2/

"After the rioting began last week, the Pentagon attempted to determine the veracity of the NEWSWEEK story. Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Richard Myers told reporters that so far no allegations had been proven. He did appear to cryptically refer to two mentions found in the logs of prison guards in Gitmo: a report that a detainee had used pages of the Qur'an to stop up a crude toilet as a form of protest, and a complaint from a detainee that a prison guard had knocked down a Qur'an hanging in a bag in his cell.

On Friday night, Pentagon spokesman DiRita called NEWSWEEK to complain about the original PERISCOPE item. He said, "We pursue all credible allegations" of prisoner abuse, but insisted that the investigators had found none involving Qur'an desecration. DiRita sent NEWSWEEK a copy of rules issued to the guards (after the incidents mentioned by General Myers) to guarantee respect for Islamic worship. On Saturday, Isikoff spoke to his original source, the senior government official, who said that he clearly recalled reading investigative reports about mishandling the Qur'an, including a toilet incident. But the official, still speaking anonymously, could no longer be sure that these concerns had surfaced in the SouthCom report. Told of what the NEWSWEEK source said, DiRita exploded, "People are dead because of what this son of a bitch said. How could he be credible now?"

In the meantime, as part of his ongoing reporting on the detainee-abuse story, Isikoff had contacted a New York defense lawyer, Marc Falkoff, who is representing 13 Yemeni detainees at Guantánamo. According to Falkoff's declassified notes, a mass-suicide attempt—when 23 detainees tried to hang or strangle themselves in August 2003—was triggered by a guard's dropping a Qur'an and stomping on it. One of Falkoff's clients told him, "Another detainee tried to kill himself after the guard took his Qur'an and threw it in the toilet." A U.S. military spokesman, Army Col. Brad Blackner, dismissed the claims as unbelievable. "If you read the Al Qaeda training manual, they are trained to make allegations against the infidels," he said."

[Coexist]

35. yes!

[Coexist]

36. Wow this dropped fast - kicking back up!

[nittygritty]

76. Media Blaster

national media blaster:

http://www.independentmediasource.com/voteintegrity2_12.htm

PDA media blaster:

http://capwiz.com/pdamerica/dbq/media

[lala_rawraw]

37. YEs, got it on Franken... people.. work the phones n/t

[Coexist]

38. National Media blaster - Anyone?

[specimenfred1984]

42. Googled This...

http://iowageek.blogspot.com/2003/10/national-media-list.html

Hope it helps.

[Coexist]

49. Thanks Specimenfred!

[Turn CO Blue]

41. Important-story-kick.

[lala_rawraw]

43. kick

[understandinglife]

44. "...a mass-suicide attempt—when 23 detainees tried to hang or strangle ...

"... themselves in August 2003...."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7857407/site/newsweek/page/2

Bu$h and his fristian-valued, neoconster fellow war criminals will not escape their atrocities. No amount of stomping and spinning are going to prevent their indictment and prosecution.

Peace.


www.missionnotaccomplished.us - Be it MNA Day 3 or 8 or 15 or .... the day will come when 10s of millions of Americans and others stop their typical activities for 24 hours and urge 10 times that many to join should another MNA Day be required. On that glorious day America will have begun truly to be "America," again.

[understandinglife]

45. wimpster howie kurtz spins for rove, again.......

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2005/05/12/DI2005051200985.html

Peace.

www.missionnotaccomplished.us

[Coexist]

46. kick

[lala_rawraw]

47. My Letter to Newsweek Editor:

Dear Editor

While I do appreciate your attempt to clarify the SouthCom report issue, I do not appreciate your inability to stand behind your journalist. The apology you issue regarding the possibility that the SouthCom report may not include the Koran abuse allegations made it sound like the allegations were not well sourced and possibly untrue.

You created massive confusion and allowed the White House spin machine to run amok with yet another attempt at a Rathergate. You then went on to create "How did Newsweek get Its facts Wrong?" which was yet another ridiculous and confusing attempt at clarification.

Newsweek used a source, a trusted source, who either peddled a story or backtracked on it. The point is, the facts are not wrong in that the Koran was used in torture and has been reported on widely. What is possibly an error is if these allegations would be included in the SouthCom report. Even that is not so much an error as it is a trusted source de-confirmed his/her previous confirmation.

It would have been simple to say: the allegations are in fact well sourced. The correction should have been simple, to the point, and to clarify the actual error in the story, NOT feed into confusion.

You could have simply said something to the effect of "The allegations of the Koran used for torture are widely documented, but we apologize for our error with regard as to these allegations appearing in the SouthCom report. While we do have a credible source who initially had confirmed, it seems now our source is no longer certain. The allegations, however are well documented ...." and list all of the various sources that are already available to the public.

The mistake was in fact your apology, not the story or the supposed error.

You should issue an apology to the Newsweek staff for your inability to communicate a correction, which resulted in a smear campaign against both fact and the journalist reporting it. Can you please grow a spine and not let Rove dictate the news? You might also want to remind CNN, et al, of the WMD over reports based on "lies" and you might want to mention the Blair memo. This apology was a slap against your own staff for doing their job well.

A very angry reader and fellow journalist,

[Coexist]

50. wow - no wonder you get paid for writing and I don't!!!

[lala_rawraw]

56. define paid, lmao... ah, i get poverty for my writing:)

[Coexist]

58. but you touch us all, if human currency is valuable to you!

[lala_rawraw]

108. human currency, great choice of words... humanity is very

important to me, that is certain and if i do anything for even one person, that makes me happy:D

[lala_rawraw]

55. everyone, post your letters

and where you sent them:)

[Coexist]

60. Here is the one to Getler - the one I media blasted is very similar

it went to all newsnetworks and many newspapers.

Mr. Kurtz's recent article on Newsweek contained skimpier facts than the article he was condemning. The allegations about mistreatment of the Koran are not new and are well documented.

That you would allow such hypocrisy is unbelievable. An immediate apology to Newsweek is in order. Your questions should have addressed why SouthCom allowed facts they are claiming are untrue to be published, and not refute them until a week later, when there is public outcry from the Muslim communities around the world. That smells like backtracking to me, not shoddy journalism. Someone covering their butt in hindsight is hardly the fault of the reporter.

Sincerely,

[nashville_brook]

59. wow, big NOM -- listening to this on TOTN

i love your slant and that you close with stating clearly your anger. it's so appropriate! this story has exploded, wouldn't you know. stories about stories are sometimes as relevant as the story themselves.

here's another twist. why can't the HAWKS in the administration grow a spine and tell al Quaeda that they don't give a damn if extremist clerics have a problem to flushing to koran. in america we have freedom of speech and aren't we supposed to be exporting DEMOCRACY?

really cracks open a whole other can of worms.

[rucky]

111. here's my letter from a fellow journalist:

PUSSIES!

[lala_rawraw]

48. WASHINGTON POST CONTACT INFO... ON KURTZ LIES

washingtonpost.com

Main Phone:

Main Fax:

Customer Care:

Advertising Info:


Media Inquiries:


703-469-2500

703-469-2995

703-469-3100
[e-mail]

703-469-2501
[e-mail]
More advertising information

703-469-2798

If you are trying to reach a Washington Post reporter or staff member, please call 800-627-1150 or 202-334-6000.

The Washington Post Newspaper

Information on the Web:

Newsroom Contacts:

Main Phone:

Letters to the Editor:

www.washpost.com

Click Here

202-334-6000
800-627-1150

Letters to the Editor
The Washington Post
1150 15th Street Northwest
Washington, DC 20071

The Ombudsman serves as the reader's advocate. He attends to questions, comments and complaints regarding The Post's content.

The current Post Ombudsman is Michael Getler. You can reach him by e-mail at [e-mail] or by phone at 202-334-7582.

Note: If you have comments or suggestions regarding washingtonpost.com online, please send them directly to the web site at [e-mail].

[im10ashus]

52. Thanks, lala!

Again, the media is not doing their jobs, and we have to do it for them. Kick!

[lala_rawraw]

109. yes we are, we are just not working for corporate whores:D

[lala_rawraw]

54. I think Kurtz may have forgotten the Post reports on this...

Ooops... here is what I sent to Mr. Getler:

ear Mr. Getler:

I am amazed that you allow Mr. Kurtz any column space at all, but since you do, you can at least suggest some ethical standards. Mr. Kurtz, in his recent attack on Newsweek, seems to have failed to mention some serious facts. Firstly, the Koran allegations are in fact well documented, including by post journalists.

So is Mr. Kurtz calling Post journalists "unfortunate" as well? What the Newsweek story got wrong is that it used a high level source to confirm that the allegations would appear in the SouthCom report. The source then changed their initial confirmation.

That in no way discounts the actual abuses and the use of the Koran. I find it highly inappropriate that you are allowing an op-ed writer to attack a highly regarded journalist who is reporting on what the Washington Post journalists have already covered. I think Mr. Kurtz needs to issue and immediate public apology for his statements. Or shall I assume that the Post articles on these allegations were also wrong? I am a journalist sir, but I find this full blown attack and misinformation incredibly unethical. I believe Mr. Kurtz has crossed the line on many occasions. I think he has now, once and for all, crossed a line beyond any credibility and/or respect.

This is a pure shame. And lives are being lost. Kurtz is accountable for his words.

http://home.btclick.com/caab/Guantanamo.htm
http://rawstory.com/exclusives/newsweek_koran_report_516.htm

[lonestarnot]

113. Wrote letter to the editor and thanks! n/t

[muriel_volestrangler]

51. Juan Cole on the subject of interrogation training

A reader with military experience in this area wrote me his own experience, with the Bible being trashed in a similar way. I was able to google this reader in such a way as to compare autobiographical statements and dates (stripped from the below) to the Web record, and they all check out. Even the history of attitudes, as revealed in letters to the editor, are confirmatory. So I'm sure of the authenticity of these comments.

3. This incident with the bible trashing. Camp was . It was towards the end of the camp experience, which was 2-3 days of captivity. We were penned in concrete cell blocks about 4' x 4' x 4'--told to kneel, but allowed to squat or sit. There was no door, just a flap that could be let down if it was too cold outside (which it was--actually light snow fell). Each trainee was interrogated to some extent, all experienced some physical interrogation such as pushing, shoving, getting slammed against a wall (usually a large metal sheet set up so that it would not seriously injure trainees) with some actually water-boarded (not me).

The bible trashing was done by one of the top-ranked leaders of the camp, who was always giving us speeches--sort of 'making it real' so to speak, because it is a pretty contrived environment. But by the end it almost seemed real. Guards spoke English with a Russian accent, wore Russian-looking uniforms. So the bible trashing happened when this guy had us all in the courtyard sitting for one of his speeches. They were tempting us with a big pot of soup that was boiling--we were all starving from a few days of chow deprivation. He brought out the bible and started going off on it verbally--how it was worthless, we were forsaken by this God, etc. Then he threw it on the ground and kicked it around. It was definitely the climax of his speech. Then he kicked over the soup pot, and threw us back in the cells. Big climax. And psychologically it was crushing and heartbreaking, and then we were left isolated to contemplate this.
...
So many have tried to commit suicide....by now they all must have some serious psychological problems. This is without a doubt torture. Premeditated, planned....a fine lot of criminals we have in charge of the USA these days. Gitmo is so Orwellian--so Room 101. They are playing on the deepest feelings and fears."

http://www.juancole.com/2005/05/guantanamo-controversies-bible-and.html

(PS: lala_rawraw: if you put something more than 'people' in your thread title, more people will look at it. I ignored it until I saw that 46 people had thought it worth replying to. I'm sure I'm not alone in only clicking on DU threads that actually interest me. Relying on capitals is even worse.)

[nashville_brook]

57. they've been careful not to say it's untrue -- just that they are going

to skewer the "source."


god, they are all in bed! it's a big CF!

[Coexist]

61. last kick before I pick up the kids!

[Coexist]

62. here's the blaster I used

http://www.independentmediasource.com/voteintegrity.htm

once you get your email up, just put in your own subject line and type in the text of your letter over what is there.

Easy as pie!

[G_j]

63. Republicans are screaming Newsweek is responsible for the deaths

in Afghanistan.
What a convenient way to attempt to sweep all the torture, anti-Arab rhetoric, invasions, Fallujah, 'crusade' comments etc. that have enraged millions across the ME under the rug.

there is a memo goin' round and they are on the same page.

Now is the time to act!

[understandinglife]

64. Shine the light on the master cockroach, and the master cockroach is BU$H.

Not Rove.

Not Cheney.

Not anybody but BU$H.

My retort, in several communications I have now sent, regarding the "White House demands retraction on Newsweek article" has been to state that rather than Newsweek apologizing it should demand that BU$H meet with the Press and respond to the contents of the 23 July 2002 British memo.

Stop taking their bate and stop allowing anyone other than BU$H to respond. Demand access to BU$H.

Highlight the fact, daily, in newspapers and TV that BU$H is not available to answer numerous critical questions, from 9/11 to Iraq to just what was he doing while folk were running down the steps of the US Capitol in last weeks episode of "Terror Theater."

Demand that Bu$h answer questions about torture, in all it forms, that his administration has authorized.

Laser focus the light on the master cockroach, BU$H.

Peace.


www.missionnotaccomplished.us

[Toucano]

65. My head is about to explode!

Newsweek should NEVER have made any apology.

[nashville_brook]

66. this is being reported on NPR as the white house ASKING newsweek

to retract the story. holy shit. are they nuts? they could have kept quiet and gotten their way. man -- if you have written yet, now would be a good time. :bounce:

[Coexist]

68. Please clog up their inboxes, jam their phone lines and make

them run out of fax paper, please!

[lala_rawraw]

69. kick

[lala_rawraw]

70. Two groups: one to scream at the media...

And the others to go after the BS spin machine on the right.

[lala_rawraw]

71. Kick...

[lala_rawraw]

72. fucking kick

[lala_rawraw]

73. Kurtz to be on the Ed show...

OMG

[muriel_volestrangler]

91. I know it's too late now, but if your title had been more informative

I'm sure you wouldn't have needed to kick this so much.

[doublethink]

74. Kick

:kick:

[lala_rawraw]

75. FUCK FUCK FUCK

KURTZ IS ON ED SHULTZ GOING UNCHECKED... I AM GOING TO LOSE IT

[doublethink]

77. Breath lala_ ......... breath........

deep breath ........ okay did you hear Rummy's comments a bit ago on TV?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3666329

okay ..... now breath again ..... hang in there.

[lala_rawraw]

82. Robert Novak...

OMG>.. this is a staged fucking thing man...

[doublethink]

84. Oh shit ....... Rummy replaying on MSNBC ....

right now ... MCCleallan speaking now too ...... Richard Bloucher ... and bitch face blond whats er name just reporting Newsweek just retracted story and attacking Newsweek, Monica needs too be locked up with all of them. This Monica chic just stated 'to have this story be false, bla bla bla ....' has anyone let this bimbo in on THIS WHOLE FUCKING WAR IS BASED ON LIES FROM THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION !!! BLAMEING WHAT IS GOING ON IN IRAQ NOW ON NEWSWEEK IS ABSURED !!!!!!!!!! ARRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGG NOW I AM GOING TO BLOW UP !!!!!!!! SHITTTTTTT.

[kimpossible]

78. Breaking: Straw Breaks Camel's Back; Messenger Shot

But of course never a word about how the load of straw got on the camel in the first place.

:banghead:

[spuddonna]

79. I just sent a letter to K. Olbermann, and MSNBC...

Going to look for some other links to hit...

[fooj]

80. Kick!!!

:kick:

[kimpossible]

81. My email blasted

Here's what I'm sending to media blaster lists:

Straw Breaks Camel's Back; Messenger Shot...

But nobody is asking how the load of straw got on the camel in the first place.

The recent riots in the Middle East were promptly pinned on Newsweek, and its report that U.S. interrogators in Guantanamo had flushed a Qu'ran down a toilet. And at the first hint of question about the credibility of one of the sources commentators rushed to pillory the story, its author, and the entire publication.

One small fact is being overlooked in all of this frenzy: the report is almost certainly true.

In fact, reports of U.S. personnel throwing Qu'rans into latrines and toilets are widespread and have been reported in several publications both inside and outside the U.S.

Read detailed information about these incidents and the previous reports by following this link:

http://rawstory.com/exclusives/newsweek_koran_report_516.htm

[lala_rawraw]

85. Woo hoo, John Byrne on Ed Shultz...

John kicked ass.

[lala_rawraw]

83. Time to show CNN and Washington Post just how much

A majority can accomplish they they boycott bullshit.

Our terms:

Novak fired
Kurtz fired
Public apology for WMD
Public apology for Iraq
Public apology to Newsweek
Public apology to country
Public apology about NOT reporting the Blair/Bush memo
Front page question on impeachment...

Who is with me?


If we can get even 10k people to do this, we can achieve this. If people will not stand with me, then people do not deserve to have a free press.

[understandinglife]

86. Major BU$H error. Forcing Newsweek to apologize is only going ...

.... to expand and intensify the anger in the Muslim world.

Peace.


www.missionnotaccomplished.us

[lala_rawraw]

87. And piss off the press...who are already pissed...

I am pissed... you have no idea how pissed I am and I have been working phones all day. Kurtz wants to carry water? Okay... pen is up, am ready MTF...that is how pissed we are. I have yet to speak to a single reporter today who has not lost their minds over this.

I think they underestimated just how this would be taken by th left press....the real fourth estate. This is not Dan Rather... Michael is a fucking hero to many journalists.

[understandinglife]

89. Keep the banners flying at Raw Story. We have two key strategic ...

.... opportunities because of this situation:

1. Demonstrate to the entire Muslim world that Americans will not tolerate torture of any form, including desecrating a prisoner's religion; and,

2. We call for BU$H to start answering questions about HIS torture policies, in his illegal war, and remain unrelenting in demanding answers from HIM and no one else in his administration.

Peace.


www.missionnotaccomplished.us

[rodeodance]

98. I agree

[sojourner]

88. My letter -- please vet!!!!!!!!!!

Okay... this is much more muddled that I like. I wrote a response earlier today to Newsweek condemning their apology, but I didn't copy the letter and now its eloquence is lost to cyberspace.

So...any suggestions on this before I blast it?

Oh...guess I should include the letter:

Dear Editor:

Earlier today I emailed the editor of Newsweek who published the shameful apology for one misstatement in a story that has already been covered – albeit less visibly – in other news outlets…see this link to MSNBC article for further elucidation http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7857407/site/newsweek/page/2

So, why is Newsweek apologizing? Because of a mere misstatement? Because there were consequences (riots, protests, killings) resulting from publication? This is amazing. Can you pretend that serving as corporate cheerleaders for the warmongering Bush Administration does not also have consequences (war, blind support, divisions in US, protests, killings – of Iraqis and our precious young soldiers)?

Not long ago we watched in amazement as a respected journalist lost his position because of an “outcry” over a mistakenly sourced story that has not to date been disputed. I’ll repeat: the story that G. W. Bush was AWOL has not been disputed, only the documents that were being used to support the story were found to be “forgeries”.

Now Michael Isakoff is being threatened because a government source backed off the statements given to the reporter? On a story that is NOT news but a fact that has been “out there” for some time? A truly and well documented fact?

Please, support journalists who have the courage to speak truth. Otherwise, there will be no voice for those who dare to question the policies and actions of our government – those who take seriously their obligation as citizens of democracy. In such a case, I would suggest you change the name of your organization to TASS (the official news outlet of the old USSR).

[Coexist]

90. kick

[lala_rawraw]

99. Love it... I am going bonkers because if these bastards

spent a moment on the Blair memo... could you imagine? it is such crap... and it is getting worse

[understandinglife]

92. Email to Newsweek: "your cover-up, roll-over on behalf of BU$H ...

.... is going to fail."

The desecration of the Qur'an has been documented by others.

The already outraged Muslim world will now view Newsweek, correctly, as a propaganda tool of the war criminal BU$H and his neoconster regime.

Nice job, NOT.
xxxxx


www.missionnotaccomplished.us

[Coexist]

93. Randi Rhodes can been going OFF about this

all day -

Some ass just called and said that "even if it is true, it should not have been reported"

UUUUUGGGGHHHH

[Garbo 2004]

100. Yup the point is to keep the press from reporting anything but the party

line. So the Administration and its Noise Machine is in gear. It's not the abuses and lies and the war (aka "crusade") that have besmirched the US' reputation in the world, it's all the media's fault.

"Some ass just called and said that 'even if it is true, it should not have been reported'"

Newsweek is being "Ratherized."

BTW for anyone interested, link to Human Rights Watch where Gitmo Detainee Accounts are available in .pdf format: http://hrw.org/backgrounder/usa/gitmo1004/index.htm

[cal04]

94. Our Senate and Congress need to help protect the media as

well. I am sending emails to my senators and congressmen to tell them they must stand up for these people and protect them from threats

[rodeodance]

95. "quoted government source" Bob Schiever on cbs news Now and then

played clipped of Newsweek reporter saying--we relied on a "Senior government official" who was reliabble in the past.

Fishy smell here!!!!!!!!!

[Coexist]

96. great idea - I am running out of people to write to

maybe I'll do that!

[Coexist]

97. THIS is the media blaster I was looking for...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=198836

have at it people! Thanks again to JMac

[lala_rawraw]

101. Okay, Salon comes through....

The bigger story on Quran abuse at Gitmo

This afternoon, Newsweek fully acknowledged its blunder with the Quran-abuse story: "Based on what we know now, we are retracting our original story that an internal military investigation had uncovered Quran abuse at Guantanamo Bay," the magazine said in a statement.

The key phrase here is "internal military investigation." Newsweek screwed up in that it clearly didn't have reliable information (from its single anonymous government source) that the Pentagon is taking action on -- or has even acknowledged -- the existence of such abuse.

And that's actually the much bigger story here. As Raw Story notes today, the Newsweek debacle aside, there have been numerous past reports -- including from the New York Times, Washington Post, UK Guardian, and the Center for Consitutional Rights -- of desecration of the Quran by U.S. interrogators at Gitmo:

http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/archive.html?blog=/politics/war_room/2005/05/16/newsweek_gitmo/index.html

[lala_rawraw]

102. Okay, so Rove or Not

Okay, so check photo by brilliant DU poster
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3666986

Then run IP:
So first I get this:

Domain Name: RAZAACADEMY.COM

Registrant:
Rhazes Technologies
Mohammad Azim S Mujawar ([e-mail] )
Shop 10, Archies Apartment,
Oak Baug,
Opp Rly Station,
Kalyan
Maharashtra,421301
IN
Tel. [phone]

Creation Date: 18-Sep-2001
Expiration Date: 18-Sep-2005

Domain servers in listed order:
ns6.rhazestech.com
ns7.rhazestech.com


Administrative Contact:
Rhazes Technologies
Mohammad Azim S Mujawar ([e-mail] )
Shop 10, Archies Apartment,
Oak Baug,
Opp Rly Station,
Kalyan
Maharashtra,421301
IN
Tel. [phone]

Technical Contact:
Rhazes Technologies
Mohammad Azim S Mujawar ([e-mail] )
Shop 10, Archies Apartment,
Oak Baug,
Opp Rly Station,
Kalyan
Maharashtra,421301
IN
Tel. [phone]

Billing Contact:
Rhazes Technologies
Mohammad Azim S Mujawar ([e-mail] )
Shop 10, Archies Apartment,
Oak Baug,
Opp Rly Station,
Kalyan
Maharashtra,421301
IN
Tel. [phone]

__________________

then I ran the email: http://www.dnsreport.com/tools/mail.ch?domain=azim%40rh...

OrgName: Vortech Inc.
OrgID: VTC1
Address: 106 S. Semoran Blvd.
City: Orlando
StateProv: FL
PostalCode: 32807
Country: US

NetRange: 216.157.128.0 - 216.157.159.255
CIDR: 216.157.128.0/19
NetName: VORTECH-BLK-1
NetHandle: NET-216-157-128-0-1
Parent: NET-216-0-0-0-0
NetType: Direct Allocation
NameServer: DNS.ANONYMOUS-SERVERS.COM
NameServer: DNS2.ANONYMOUS-SERVERS.COM
Comment:
RegDate: 2002-08-09
Updated: 2004-07-12

TechHandle: BAP16-ARIN
TechName: Pugh, Brad Alan
TechPhone: [phone]
TechEmail: *******@vortechhosting.com

OrgTechHandle: BAP16-ARIN
OrgTechName: Pugh, Brad Alan
OrgTechPhone: [phone]
OrgTechEmail: *******@vortechhosting.com

# ARIN WHOIS database, last updated 2005-04-25 19:10
# Enter ? for additional hints on searching ARIN's WHOIS database.

So someone more tech than I am please tell me why this is in Florida?

[lala_rawraw]

103. and what is this

from a german site? (translated by google)
Info. throwing acres: yellowtimes.org again taken by the net

of indexoncensorship - 25,03,2003 10:02

In an earlier report it was announced that the Aktivisten Website was taken yellowtimes.org by the net, because this Website of the US government showed "unwanted" pictures of prisoner of war GIs. After the pictures had been removed, the Website was again activated (see http://www.de.indymedia.org/2003/03/46323.shtml ).

In the meantime the Site operators had replaced the pictures by a left to the pictures on another Site. This regarded the Provider however likewise as offence against patriotic citizen obligations. It took the complete Website again without comment from the net and closed the E-Mail account of the operator.

Who the Provider VORTECH Inc. its opinion to its patriotic censorship airs to communicate would like can this on the following way do:

phone: [phone]
mail: support @ vortechhosting.com





In an earlier report it was announced that the Aktivisten Website was taken yellowtimes.org by the net, because this Website of the US government showed "unwanted" pictures of prisoner of war GIs. After the pictures had been removed, the Website was again activated (see http://www.de.indymedia.org/2003/03/46323.shtml ).

In the meantime the Site operators had replaced the pictures by a left to the pictures on another Site. This regarded the Provider however likewise as offence against patriotic citizen obligations. It took the complete Website again without comment from the net and closed the E-Mail account of the operator.

Who the Provider VORTECH Inc. its opinion to its patriotic censorship airs to communicate would like can this on the following way do:

phone: [phone]
mail: support @ vortechhosting.com

[Tinoire]

104. Agree and recommended! n/t

[starmaker]

105. KICK AND REC

[lala_rawraw]

107. kick

[Blue_Tires]

110. ttt

another journalist here (currently unemployed again)

[loudsue]

112. NEWS FLASH!!! General in Afghanistan says Koran story NOT

the cause of protests!!!

Lookie here!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1787380

:kick::kick::kick:

[Nothing Without Hope]

114. Principal Newsweek reporter on the Gitmo story - Isikoff - has helped GOP

in the past, according to Keith Olbermann in his blog:

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/7873141/#050516b
(snip)

...the principal reporter on the Gitmo story was Michael Isikoff - “Spikey” in a different lifetime; Linda Tripp’s favorite journalist, and one of the ten people most responsible (intentionally or otherwise) for the impeachment of Bill Clinton. Spikey isn’t just a hero to the Right - the Right owes him.

(snip)

I'm wondering if this is significant in terms of connecting the dots - was this a setup from the first? The entire blog entry is very strongly worded and calls for the resignation of Scott McClellan.

Also not to be missed, the VIDEO of Olbermann's show segment on the Newsweek/Koran story situation:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3668859
Thread title: “Olbermann: an honest report on the Newsweek retraction - (VIDEO)”

[lala_rawraw]

117. Yeah, they are hitting one by one each of their

People... Judith Miller, etc.

Not sure why. Newsweek I am still going to defend because they at least covered the torture stories... this is crap.

[lala_rawraw]

122. The ethics do not change from my side...

I despise Judith Miller, but I will fight for her right to protect her source. We cannot have aa pliable ethics structure, not if we are to make any progress.

[Nothing Without Hope]

124. The ethics don't change, no, but I am wondering if it is possible that

the whole setup was planned this way from the first. There are other sources for the story, after all.

[lala_rawraw]

125. That is the big question...

but hard to tell... as far as I am concerned and every journalist, editor, and so forth with whom I have spoken all agree that Newsweek did nothing wrong. Only their partial retraction was wrong.

[hfojvt]

115. heck with that

let them lose their jobs. They can be part of the hiring pool for USA Tomorrow - the nation's PROGRESSIVE newspaper.

Of course the real outrage is that the people who perpetrated the acts (and the higher ups who approved/allowed them) which rightly outrage the muslim world, will not lose their jobs. Only the journalists who dared to report on it.

[lala_rawraw]

123. No, Newsweek did nothing wrong and no

One need to lose their job... the one has nothing to do with the other. This report was credible in its investigation and delivery. The DOD flip flopping is the cause of error or the deliberate attempt at error. But in this context, the journalist acted responsibly.

[coffeenap]

118. kick

[sojourner]

119. Mike Malloy read my letter on air!!!

I missed last night's show, but because I can't go a day without him, I listened this AM via the link on White Rose Society. I'm trembling. (Never had my words broadcast anywhere...so I'm feeling like I not only reached those I meant to, but I shared with many like-minded individuals as well. Heady stuff!)

Also...got this snotty reply from one Andrea Stone:

"You know nothing about journalism. Please desist."

To which I sent a quick reply telling her I know a double standard when I see one and that SHE doesn't get to tell me or anyone else to desist from communicating our disapproval and outrage.

Everyone who wrote. Don't give up. If we can't make a difference we can at least go on record as having DONE SOMETHING!

[lala_rawraw]

121. You can let Andrea Stone...

That I know something about journalism and I back your statement. "Andrea? now what?"

[lala_rawraw]

120. how did this not make front page?